Cubs cancelled my season tickets - anyone else?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

what the horsefeathers is going on in this thread now?

[Sammy Sofa]

Either evanstonian is pretending to be someone else, or another scalper showed up also trying to make sounding like their scalping being stepped on is an invasion of privacy and hypocrisy on the part of the Cubs.

[evanstonian]

This is a good thing. This is not a bad thing! Say it again with me, a little louder this time. THIS IS A GOOD THING! THIS IS NOT A BAD THING!

 

I have a question: Have you ever purchased a ticket off the secondary market before? Did you think it was a bad thing that there were tickets available for you to buy that you didn't have access to before?

[jersey cubs fan]

This is a good thing. This is not a bad thing! Say it again with me, a little louder this time. THIS IS A GOOD THING! THIS IS NOT A BAD THING!

 

I have a question: Have you ever purchased a ticket off the secondary market before? Did you think it was a bad thing that there were tickets available for you to buy that you didn't have access to before?

do you think those tix would somehow be unavailable if people like you weren't involved?

[Sammy Sofa]

[evanstonian]

do you think those tix would somehow be unavailable if people like you weren't involved?

 

Uhhh....are you serious? You think that if brokers were not involved, everyone who wanted to go to a Cubs game would have no problems finding a ticket at the Wrigley box office?

 

If so, that explains all your responses.

[Sammy Sofa]

Unless you're somehow making extra tickets appear out of thin air, you might have wanted to mull that one over a few more times.

[evanstonian]

 

Didn't watch.

[evanstonian]

Unless you're somehow making extra tickets appear out of thin air, you might have wanted to mull that one over a few more times.

 

There are about 41,300 seats at Wrigley Field. People were willing to pay $3,500 for crappy upper level seats to Game 1.

 

The scarcity of tickets relative to the demand for them is what dictated those prices.

 

I don't know what the actual number of fans who wanted to attend one of the games was. I'm guessing it was easily over a million, though.

 

Regardless, it turns out that the evil scalpers may have provided a way for some of these fans to attend the first WS in 71 years who would otherwise be locked out.

 

The suggestion that brokers don't make otherwise-unavailable tickets available to fans doesn't pass the laugh test. That's precisely what they do, and why people are willing to pay the high prices.

 

Unless you think there's some sort of scalper monopoly cartel out there. Hmm....

Edited December 17, 2016 by evanstonian

[Derwood]

Unless you're somehow making extra tickets appear out of thin air, you might have wanted to mull that one over a few more times.

 

There are about 41,300 seats at Wrigley Field. People were willing to pay $3,500 for crappy upper level seats to Game 1.

 

The scarcity of tickets relative to the demand for them is what dictated those prices.

 

I don't know what the actual number of fans who wanted to attend one of the games was. I'm guessing it was easily over a million, though.

 

Regardless, it turns out that the evil scalpers may have provided a way for some of these fans to attend the first WS in 71 years who would otherwise be locked out.

 

There would be 41,000 seats whether scalpera existed or not. What are you talking about?

[evanstonian]

What are you talking about?

 

I'm talking about the fact that there were probably over a million fans desiring to have one of those 41,000 seats. And brokers made tickets available to the 950,000+ who otherwise would have been locked out. And if there were no brokers, those people would be shut out.

[Derwood]

Or the STH could, you know, use the seats themselves

[David]

This is a good thing. This is not a bad thing! Say it again with me, a little louder this time. THIS IS A GOOD THING! THIS IS NOT A BAD THING!

 

I have a question: Have you ever purchased a ticket off the secondary market before? Did you think it was a bad thing that there were tickets available for you to buy that you didn't have access to before?

do you think those tix would somehow be unavailable if people like you weren't involved?

 

Well, the barrier would become getting there first instead of just having to pay more money.

 

If scalpers were eliminated and reselling for profit in all forms were eliminated, the tickets would still get bought up immediately in the case of any high demand games. They'd be insanely hard to get. This is obvious given what people pay scalpers/brokers. So if you don't get there first (which is going to be really hard to do...we've all tried to buy tickets before - yeah, there would be fewer scalpers in the way and more supply, but the demand is so overwhelming that it'll still be insanely hard to get them), you don't get to have them. Whether this is any more/less "fair" than "you get to have them if you pay more money on the secondary market" is debatable, I guess.

 

Like Cubs playoff tickets would be insanely hard to get, scalpers or no scalpers. At face value they will sell out immediately. But with a secondary market, you can pay more and get to have them.

 

This is without even getting into how unrealistic this would be when it comes to STH. If you never got to re-sell and had to use or give away every single ticket, the amount of people capable and willing to buy them would be cut drastically.

 

 

EDIT - OR the Cubs could just cut out the secondary market altogether and just charge what the market dictates.

 

Either way, the tickets aren't going to be easy to come by when the demand is what it is. One way just requires being the lucky few who are fortunate enough to buy them first, and the other one requires being fortunate enough to be able to afford what the market is willing to pay.

Edited December 17, 2016 by David

[evanstonian]

If you never got to re-sell and had to use or give away every single ticket, the amount of people capable and willing to buy them would be cut drastically.

[David]

If you never got to re-sell and had to use or give away every single ticket, the amount of people capable and willing to buy them would be cut drastically.

 

I have no idea what your reply means.

[Sammy Sofa]

Unless you're somehow making extra tickets appear out of thin air, you might have wanted to mull that one over a few more times.

 

There are about 41,300 seats at Wrigley Field. People were willing to pay $3,500 for crappy upper level seats to Game 1.

 

The scarcity of tickets relative to the demand for them is what dictated those prices.

 

I don't know what the actual number of fans who wanted to attend one of the games was. I'm guessing it was easily over a million, though.

 

Regardless, it turns out that the evil scalpers may have provided a way for some of these fans to attend the first WS in 71 years who would otherwise be locked out.

 

The suggestion that brokers don't make otherwise-unavailable tickets available to fans doesn't pass the laugh test. That's precisely what they do, and why people are willing to pay the high prices.

 

Unless you think there's some sort of scalper monopoly cartel out there. Hmm....

 

They're not unavailable tickets, you loon; you keep talking like you're providing tickets that wouldn't be used unless you provided the generous service of selling them as a scalper.

[David]

Unless you're somehow making extra tickets appear out of thin air, you might have wanted to mull that one over a few more times.

 

There are about 41,300 seats at Wrigley Field. People were willing to pay $3,500 for crappy upper level seats to Game 1.

 

The scarcity of tickets relative to the demand for them is what dictated those prices.

 

I don't know what the actual number of fans who wanted to attend one of the games was. I'm guessing it was easily over a million, though.

 

Regardless, it turns out that the evil scalpers may have provided a way for some of these fans to attend the first WS in 71 years who would otherwise be locked out.

 

The suggestion that brokers don't make otherwise-unavailable tickets available to fans doesn't pass the laugh test. That's precisely what they do, and why people are willing to pay the high prices.

 

Unless you think there's some sort of scalper monopoly cartel out there. Hmm....

 

They're not unavailable tickets, you loon; you keep talking like you're providing tickets that wouldn't be used unless you provided the generous service of selling them as a scalper.

 

Given the huge demand for the limited supply, they are very very difficult to get. To a degree to which calling it unavailable isn't really inaccurate.

[davell]

Will Uehara's velo hold up and will he continue to dominate in reverse splits?

[jersey cubs fan]

 

I have a question: Have you ever purchased a ticket off the secondary market before? Did you think it was a bad thing that there were tickets available for you to buy that you didn't have access to before?

do you think those tix would somehow be unavailable if people like you weren't involved?

 

Well, the barrier would become getting there first instead of just having to pay more money.

 

If scalpers were eliminated and reselling for profit in all forms were eliminated, the tickets would still get bought up immediately in the case of any high demand games. They'd be insanely hard to get. This is obvious given what people pay scalpers/brokers. So if you don't get there first (which is going to be really hard to do...we've all tried to buy tickets before - yeah, there would be fewer scalpers in the way and more supply, but the demand is so overwhelming that it'll still be insanely hard to get them), you don't get to have them. Whether this is any more/less "fair" than "you get to have them if you pay more money on the secondary market" is debatable, I guess.

 

Like Cubs playoff tickets would be insanely hard to get, scalpers or no scalpers. At face value they will sell out immediately. But with a secondary market, you can pay more and get to have them.

 

This is without even getting into how unrealistic this would be when it comes to STH. If you never got to re-sell and had to use or give away every single ticket, the amount of people capable and willing to buy them would be cut drastically.

 

 

EDIT - OR the Cubs could just cut out the secondary market altogether and just charge what the market dictates.

 

Either way, the tickets aren't going to be easy to come by when the demand is what it is. One way just requires being the lucky few who are fortunate enough to buy them first, and the other one requires being fortunate enough to be able to afford what the market is willing to pay.

no. There are normal human beings that sell tix and there are scalpers like this guy that thinks he's providing a service to society playing Julia assange

[evanstonian]

no. There are normal human beings that sell tix and there are scalpers like this guy that thinks he's providing a service to society playing Julia assange

 

Who cares what I think I am providing? The secondary market makes tickets available to people who otherwise wouldn't have access to them.

 

You have provided nothing to contradict this.

 

The above poster stated the issue correctly: In a world where demand exceeds supply, there are two systems: (1) The first to purchase them may not re-sell them; (2) The first to purchase them may re-sell them.

 

Your approach is Option (1). That would cut out hundreds of thousands of fans from bidding on tickets in the secondary market.

 

My approach is Option (2). Hundreds of thousands of fans have access to them as a result and I get paid the difference between what the Cubs charged and what these fans decide is an appropriate amount to pay.

 

Convince me using rational argument that your approach is the fairer.

[Derwood]

No matter what, only 41,000 people get to go to the game. You aren't creating anything to feed demand

[Sammy Sofa]

Given the huge demand for the limited supply, they are very very difficult to get. To a degree to which calling it unavailable isn't really inaccurate.

 

He's talking like nobody has access to them unless he sells them; someone else owning them doesn't mean they're "unavailable;" it means someone bought them first. He's not making hard to buy things any more available; whether the tickets were bought from the Cubs, someone just looking to unload something they can't use or scalpers like him, the end result is exactly the same, and the availability of the tickets is the same. He's not adding anything to the process besides an extra person making money off of them.

[Sammy Sofa]

no. There are normal human beings that sell tix and there are scalpers like this guy that thinks he's providing a service to society playing Julia assange

 

Who cares what I think I am providing? The secondary market makes tickets available to people who otherwise wouldn't have access to them.

 

You have provided nothing to contradict this.

 

The above poster stated the issue correctly: In a world where demand exceeds supply, there are two systems: (1) The first to purchase them may not re-sell them; (2) The first to purchase them may re-sell them.

 

Your approach is Option (1). That would cut out hundreds of thousands of fans from bidding on tickets in the secondary market.

 

My approach is Option (2). Hundreds of thousands of fans have access to them as a result and I get paid the difference between what the Cubs charged and what these fans decide is an appropriate amount to pay.

 

Convince me using rational argument that your approach is the fairer.

 

Why do people who have access to scalped tickets not have access to buying them otherwise? The same number of people can go to each game regardless of how many times the tickets change hands, so you're not making more tickets available or anything along those lines; the same number of tickets are available to people who want to buy them whether you are selling them or not.

[CubinNY]

Unless you're somehow making extra tickets appear out of thin air, you might have wanted to mull that one over a few more times.

 

There are about 41,300 seats at Wrigley Field. People were willing to pay $3,500 for crappy upper level seats to Game 1.

 

The scarcity of tickets relative to the demand for them is what dictated those prices.

 

I don't know what the actual number of fans who wanted to attend one of the games was. I'm guessing it was easily over a million, though.

 

Regardless, it turns out that the evil scalpers may have provided a way for some of these fans to attend the first WS in 71 years who would otherwise be locked out.

 

The suggestion that brokers don't make otherwise-unavailable tickets available to fans doesn't pass the laugh test. That's precisely what they do, and why people are willing to pay the high prices.

 

Unless you think there's some sort of scalper monopoly cartel out there. Hmm....

You mother horsefeathering moron.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

I guess it's okay for the Cubs to profit off them while others can't.

 

hahahahahaha

 

well, yes.

 

 

That's not the point. The point is it's a joke for the Cubs to cry foul on one season's worth of scalping and site that as the main reason when the Cubs have done the same thing themselves. That's exactly the kind of thing the word hypocritical was created for.

 

The Cubs aren't calling foul. They are just choosing to revoke season tickets from people they deem to be brokers. There is nothing in the season ticket agreement that guarantees you the right in subsequent seasons. The agreements cover the Cubs. It is their product and they can do as they choose. Sure they use data provided by stubhub. I'm sure the NFL does the same with NFL ticket exchange. When I resale my NFL tickets, I still use ticket exchange because it's legal...then again my seat license isn't the same as the Cubs agreement and does not prohibit me from profitting as much as I'd like.