Cubs cancelled my season tickets - anyone else?

[evanstonian]

What's not to believe? You said you sold almost all your tickets and bought a flex pack; those are the STH they decided to cancel.

 

What's not to believe is the suggestion that you have nothing to worry about if you are selling most of your season tickets on Stubhub. The rep basically admitted that they comb through the purchasing history of season ticket holders. Do you feel comfortable knowing that the Cubs do that while also knowing that their STH terms say they can cancel in their "sole and absolute discretion"?

[evanstonian]

STH don't feed the Cubs. They'd have no trouble filling the stadium even if there were no STH, especially now. So bummer that you lost your tickets, but you weren't actually using them anyway, so no big loss to you.

 

You have no idea what you're talking about. Season ticket holders guarantee the Cubs 25,000+ sold tickets before Opening Day to every game of the regular season. Sure, maybe this year it's a luxury for the Cubs to have season ticket holders. But that's not the norm.

 

Go back to 2014 when the Cubs' attendance was like 26,000 some games. Those were all season ticket holders, bud.

Edited December 14, 2016 by evanstonian

[jersey cubs fan]

What's not to believe? You said you sold almost all your tickets and bought a flex pack; those are the STH they decided to cancel.

 

What's not to believe is the suggestion that you have nothing to worry about if you are selling most of your season tickets on Stubhub. The rep basically admitted that they comb through the purchasing history of season ticket holders. Do you feel comfortable knowing that the Cubs do that while also knowing that their STH terms say they can cancel in their "sole and absolute discretion"?

 

Trumps friends in russia already comb through that history, what's the big deal if the Cubs do it?

[Sammy Sofa]

Well...yeah. Like I said before, I was expecting/hoping the Cubs can see those sales to see that we're not trying to sell our tickets to make money and are instead selling the ones we can't use mostly just to get the tickets' face value back.

 

And have others have rightly pointed out, teams are always upfront about being able to do what they want with the tickets. You haven't stumbled across something nefarious; it sounds like you were doing something to make money using your tickets and they decided to no longer provide you with tickets to sell for a profit.

[jersey cubs fan]

This is part of the response I got when I emailed my rep this morning after reading this thread.

 

The people who had their tickets revoked were generally not only selling every game, but taking advantage of group sales and flex-pack pre-sales to buy as many tickets as possible and selling all of those as well. Also, many times they were tied into a ticket selling company as well.

 

I am not tied to a ticket selling company in any way, shape, or form. Nor did I buy any group tickets. I did buy some flex pax which were offered to season ticket holders.

 

Notice what that rep implicitly admitted to you: They are investigating season ticket holders. This is very different from someone coming to them independently to complain about a ticket broker.

 

So they basically told you that they are vetting the purchasing history of even the people who spend thousands of dollars per year funding their organization before the first pitch is thrown -- even if it's you just buying flex pax that they offer to all season ticket holders and the general public.

 

Talk about biting that hand that feeds them.

 

Don't believe what the rep is telling you. They can cancel your season tickets if they want to. They're doing it now that the waiting list is back up to 100,000.

the revenue from season ticket holders that sell through on secondary market is a drop in the bucket.

 

You didn't sustain them.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Teams revoking tickets is nothing new.

 

I don't have Cubs season tickets because I live in Louisiana and we my number was called, it didn't make financial sense for me to get them. I wish it had, because it would have been great.

 

I do own Dallas Cowboys tickets. My account is safe there because I paid a PSL which lasts for 30 years. Because of that, I can sell my tickets..do whatever really with them...

 

However when I signed up for them, I debated getting seats in an area that did not require a PSL. My rep told me at the time that those seats could be revoked at any time that the Cowboys needed them- even if they needed seats for a sponsor or whatever. I had a friend who had seats in that area who lost them when At&T bought the naming rights because they needed a block of seats to give out to the sponsor.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Did anyone else get a notice this week informing them that the Cubs have cancelled their season tickets? Would be greatly interested in hearing about this.

 

If you don't mind me asking, where were your seats?

[evanstonian]

Did anyone else get a notice this week informing them that the Cubs have cancelled their season tickets? Would be greatly interested in hearing about this.

 

If you don't mind me asking, where were your seats?

 

Too much info would out myself to Cubs personnel lurking on this forum, but I will tell you they were not prime seats by any stretch.

[Derwood]

Roast doesn't post here anymore, you're safe

[Clem Fandango]

If there's Cubs personnel looking at this forum and this thread specifically...

 

Hi, my name is Logan and I'm currently 47,751st in line and I was just wondering if you'd be so kind as to jump me ahead of everyone else? This year I was responsible for an 11 game winning streak. Me and me alone, no one else. Imagine what the Cubs could do when I'm in attendance! KTHXBYE

[Tracer Bullet]

STH don't feed the Cubs. They'd have no trouble filling the stadium even if there were no STH, especially now. So bummer that you lost your tickets, but you weren't actually using them anyway, so no big loss to you.

 

You have no idea what you're talking about. Season ticket holders guarantee the Cubs 25,000+ sold tickets before Opening Day to every game of the regular season. Sure, maybe this year it's a luxury for the Cubs to have season ticket holders. But that's not the norm.

 

Go back to 2014 when the Cubs' attendance was like 26,000 some games. Those were all season ticket holders, bud.

 

When was the last time there wasn't a wait list? I joined it in the 2000s and it took me nearly a decade to come up. Your position as a STH is of no value to the Cubs. Demand outpaces supply by a factor of 10 or more.

 

You're understandably bitter but you're also being irrational.

 

And I'm not your horsefeathering bud.

[Tracer Bullet]

 

This is similar to me. Attended probably 8 games. How many seats did you have? And I assume you were allowed to renew?

 

Be careful how you answer, Bruno. If you say you were allowed to renew, he's gonna call his rep and throw your ass under the bus to save his own.

 

what am i missing? why are we assuming this guy is some terrible person?

 

you guys were right. i was wrong. i will never again assume anything but the worst in people.

[wvcbxl]

What's not to believe is the suggestion that you have nothing to worry about if you are selling most of your season tickets on Stubhub. The rep basically admitted that they comb through the purchasing history of season ticket holders. Do you feel comfortable knowing that the Cubs do that while also knowing that their STH terms say they can cancel in their "sole and absolute discretion"?

 

As in a lot of cases, it's about perception. The Cubs have no way of knowing what your intent was when you became a STH. All they can do is look at your purchasing/selling history. They saw that you went to five regular season games and two NLCS games, and that you sold all the other tickets. They probably also looked at your history in previous years.

Given that your account is linked to a local adress, their perception is that you use your season tickets as a business opportunity. Having a local adress probably worked against you here.

[MarkR]

It sounds like Evanstonian is more upset the Cubs cut off a very valuable revenue stream than he is about losing his tickets.

 

I, for one, (as a season ticket waiting list member who lives out of the country, wouldn't THAT be interesting!?) welcome the Cubs decision.

[Donzo]

Go back to 2014 when the Cubs' attendance was like 26,000 some games. Those were all season ticket holders, bud.

 

Incorrect.

 

Just take responsibility for your actions and the consequences of those actions. Perpetuating a feigned sense of victimhood is objectionable.

[Donzo]

It sounds like Evanstonian is more upset the Cubs cut off a very valuable revenue stream than he is about losing his tickets.

 

I, for one, (as a season ticket waiting list member who lives out of the country, wouldn't THAT be interesting!?) welcome the Cubs decision.

 

+1

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Be careful how you answer, Bruno. If you say you were allowed to renew, he's gonna call his rep and throw your ass under the bus to save his own.

 

what am i missing? why are we assuming this guy is some terrible person?

 

you guys were right. i was wrong. i will never again assume anything but the worst in people.

Duly noted

[rocket]

If there's Cubs personnel looking at this forum and this thread specifically...

 

Hi, my name is Logan and I'm currently 47,751st in line and I was just wondering if you'd be so kind as to jump me ahead of everyone else? This year I was responsible for an 11 game winning streak. Me and me alone, no one else. Imagine what the Cubs could do when I'm in attendance! KTHXBYE

 

they won the world series already you lost your leverage

[SouthSideRyan]

Did anyone else get a notice this week informing them that the Cubs have cancelled their season tickets? Would be greatly interested in hearing about this.

 

If you don't mind me asking, where were your seats?

 

Too much info would out myself to Cubs personnel lurking on this forum, but I will tell you they were not prime seats by any stretch.

 

What are they going to do, take away your tickets again?

[BigbadB]

It sounds like Evanstonian is more upset the Cubs cut off a very valuable revenue stream than he is about losing his tickets.

 

I, for one, (as a season ticket waiting list member who lives out of the country, wouldn't THAT be interesting!?) welcome the Cubs decision.

 

=D>

 

In a season where they were favored to win the World Series before the season ever started, had a line up loaded with such likeable and talented players, if you can't make an honest attempt to go to a respectable amount of games (I live in California and I made it to a game this year), you probably should be giving up your season tickets to someone who could make better use of them. Better use meaning actually seeing the product actually play rather than capitalizing on their success by selling the tickets for profit.

[evanstonian]

My point in posting was not to ask for sympathy (believe me, I'll be fine) but rather to alert you to this issue.

 

This is the first "era of good feelings" in which the Cubs now have the means to track every one of your sales. For the season ticket holders on here, I invite you to log in to your season ticket portal and take a look where all of your Stubhub sales are tracked to the exact dollar amount.

 

Yes, I was probably selling more than most season ticket holders so that made me an easy target. But simply because they didn't cancel your season tickets this year doesn't mean they won't in the future. You all seem so willing to accept their assurances that your accounts are safe. It's all interesting to me.

[Sammy Sofa]

You keep talking like you expect people to do something, but it's the Cubs' call. They're not doing anything wrong.

[MUCubsfan]

It does seem a little... crummy... for the Cubs to say "here, use Stubhub to resell your tickets - don't use anything else - t's incredibly easy and all you have to do is wham bam boom and then done!" but then after they view the data on Stubhub, they cancel people's accounts due to excessive selling.

 

That said, every STH that is booted off moves me one step closer to the front of the line so I have a hard time being upset at this. Though I can understand how a STH would be pissed if it happened to them.

[Sammy Sofa]

It does seem a little... crummy... for the Cubs to say "here, use Stubhub to resell your tickets - don't use anything else - t's incredibly easy and all you have to do is wham bam boom and then done!" but then after they view the data on Stubhub, they cancel people's accounts due to excessive selling.

 

Sure, it sounded worse when we were getting the initial story from the OP, which it made sound like all he had been doing was selling some of his tickets via StubHub and then got the boot without much explanation from the Cubs, but then it turns out he sold all but 8 games and also bought a flex pack that he sold. Obviously, we don't know the guy, but it sure seems like he was leaving out a lot of info until it was pressed.

[jersey cubs fan]

My point in posting was not to ask for sympathy (believe me, I'll be fine) but rather to alert you to this issue.

 

Really, your first post was asking for other examples of people that had this happen to them, thinking by chance that you weren't a specific case but just like all the rest.

 

This is the first "era of good feelings" in which the Cubs now have the means to track every one of your sales. For the season ticket holders on here, I invite you to log in to your season ticket portal and take a look where all of your Stubhub sales are tracked to the exact dollar amount.

 

Yes, I was probably selling more than most season ticket holders so that made me an easy target. But simply because they didn't cancel your season tickets this year doesn't mean they won't in the future. You all seem so willing to accept their assurances that your accounts are safe. It's all interesting to me.

 

What makes you think they will just keep ripping through the list? It does them no good to cancel people in large numbers because, a) they will lose a fair amount of those people as potential future customers, and b) they have no assurances that the next guy on the list will pay up since there is no deposit necessary, lots of people move or don't live there in the first place, and/or have their financial situation, and c) it's terrific marketing to be able to refer to a 100,000 person wait list.

 

You got your season tickets taken away because you treated your access to those tickets as a business opportunity. Congratulations on the money you made under this system, but the Cubs have every right not to play along. Nobody felt sympathy for rooftop owners who got pissed that they couldn't make money off the Cubs product, and few people are going to have sympathy for scalpers who aren't able to scalp as easily as they did before.