7/30 Mariners (Miley) @ Cubs (Arrieta) 1:20 CSN

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

this is meatballish but i think arrieta's confidence is kind of wavering these days. i'd have loved for him to exit the game with a clean scorecard and then hand it over to the bullpen of doom. now he goes into his next start knowing when he's sharp he can still let the game get away from him a bit.

 

I don't think that's irrational, and especially since it was the 8th I'd have been fine with Rondon starting the inning. But the 'what the heck why is Jake starting the inning?' reaction doesn't add up. He had been mowing down the lineup all day, and deserved better from the ump than BB/BB to start that inning too.

 

Why do you keep indicating the second at-bat was on the ump?

 

He threw at least one strike in that at bat, he wouldn't have been throwing from the stretch if the previous batter had been properly rung up, even if that is a walk then 1 on 1 out is a very different situation, etc.

[Gmoney08]

it's a sad state of affairs if we're afraid to have jake start the 8th inning at 90 pitches with a shutout going

 

I dont care if its Kershaw 60 pitches into a perfect game.. i have zero problems starting Rondon in the 8th and flippin to Chapman in every close game we have a lead.

[Ski]

Yeah, when you have Rondon and Chapman fresh, you pull Arrieta after seven. This game has been frustrating, but Maddon is partially to blame for how things turned out.

[itisallpartoftheplan]

It's Chris Ianetta, Addison.

[Ski]

Maybe this isn't the time to make errors, Addy? Christ.

[NotSoSober]

really [expletive] the bed now

[snoodmonger]

 

Arrieta threw like 4 balls combined to his last 2 hitters, umpire refused to call them.

 

That's sort of irrelevant. They were called balls. And they were hardly center cut fastballs. Sometimes you don't get the corner.

 

Even then, Arrieta had retired 7 straight and wasn't laboring, having him start an inning with 90 pitches against the bottom half of the order is perfectly fine.

 

Well I disagree considering they already gave him an extended break at the ASB, presumably to deal with/prevent fatigue and he was exhausted by the postseason last year. Clearly workload is a consideration with him, and whether or not it's the bottom of the order, a one run game inherently means a high stress inning.

 

If you go through the effort to build a shutdown bullpen, this is exactly the circumstance you use it.

Edited July 30, 2016 by snoodmonger

[Bryants Disco Ball]

 

I don't think that's irrational, and especially since it was the 8th I'd have been fine with Rondon starting the inning. But the 'what the heck why is Jake starting the inning?' reaction doesn't add up. He had been mowing down the lineup all day, and deserved better from the ump than BB/BB to start that inning too.

 

Why do you keep indicating the second at-bat was on the ump?

 

He threw at least one strike in that at bat, he wouldn't have been throwing from the stretch if the previous batter had been properly rung up, even if that is a walk then 1 on 1 out is a very different situation, etc.

 

I think that's excusing too much, though. They were trying to give us an out and he really just didn't perform, whether it was in the stretch or not, etc.

[Sammy Sofa]

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[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

Why do you keep indicating the second at-bat was on the ump?

 

He threw at least one strike in that at bat, he wouldn't have been throwing from the stretch if the previous batter had been properly rung up, even if that is a walk then 1 on 1 out is a very different situation, etc.

 

I think that's excusing too much, though. They were trying to give us an out and he really just didn't perform, whether it was in the stretch or not, etc.

 

The point isn't that Arrieta didn't do anything wrong with the second hitter, the point is that he deserved a better end result than 2 on, no out. Even if we say that the 2nd hitter is 150% on Arrieta, he should have had 1 on, 1 out, Sardinas maybe isn't bunting, the DP is maybe in order when Aoki is up, etc.

[snoodmonger]

 

I don't think that's irrational, and especially since it was the 8th I'd have been fine with Rondon starting the inning. But the 'what the heck why is Jake starting the inning?' reaction doesn't add up. He had been mowing down the lineup all day, and deserved better from the ump than BB/BB to start that inning too.

 

Why do you keep indicating the second at-bat was on the ump?

 

He threw at least one strike in that at bat, he wouldn't have been throwing from the stretch if the previous batter had been properly rung up, even if that is a walk then 1 on 1 out is a very different situation, etc.

 

It's sort of his job to deal with that.

[CoolHandLuke]

Miraculous comeback please.

[KrisBryantisaBeast]

With Matusz pitching tomorrow it would have been nice to win this one. Sigh.

[17 Seconds]

glad we're using tons of assets on relievers and then pitching wood in a close game

[Sammy Sofa]

If Bryant and Zobrist miraculously get on base, Baez will tie this.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

it's a sad state of affairs if we're afraid to have jake start the 8th inning at 90 pitches with a shutout going

 

I dont care if its Kershaw 60 pitches into a perfect game.. i have zero problems starting Rondon in the 8th and flippin to Chapman in every close game we have a lead.

 

It's a no-win situation in that if you lose it is so easy to say we should have done the other thing.

 

That said, now that we traded a lot for Chap, maybe the set plan is you always go with Rondon and Chap in the last two innings. If they blow it, they blow it.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

it's a sad state of affairs if we're afraid to have jake start the 8th inning at 90 pitches with a shutout going

 

I dont care if its Kershaw 60 pitches into a perfect game.. i have zero problems starting Rondon in the 8th and flippin to Chapman in every close game we have a lead.

 

Well, that's just silly. As you just saw with Chapman, those guys aren't perfect either.

 

Arrieta was rolling. The first at bat, he was all over the corner of the zone and couldn't get a call. He wasn't really missing his spots or anything. The second AB was bad. And, of course, it was obvious to pull him there. But, before that, it is a lot of people looking at things in hindsight. Or, at best, it is people making a decision (Arrieta or the pen) that isn't entirely clear. Hell, people were calling for Chapman from the get-go over Rondon, and we saw how Rondon vs. Chapman worked out later in the inning. And those people weren't necessarily wrong.

 

The point being: It's a tough call. And leaving in your ace when he is rolling isn't such a bad idea.

[Irrelevant Dude]

With Matusz pitching tomorrow it would have been nice to win this one. Sigh.

Is that confirmed? And is Hendricks bumped to Monday?

[Ski]

Baseball is all about playing the percentages. Who do you trust more to throw a shutdown inning, Jake after he's pitched seven innings (not to mention he's demonstrated some control issues, at least compared to last year), or a rested Rondon, who has a miniscule walk rate?

[17 Seconds]

matusz is pitching tomorrow? barf

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Wh-what were you looking for Bryant

[Sammy Sofa]

Jesus, Baez.

[NotSoSober]

lol. Wow, Baez

[Little Slide Rooter]

That was rough even for a Javy at bat

[Thusly Boned]

jfc Javy