Cubs add Chapman for Torres, et al. imb wishes we paid more

[Sammy Sofa]

They've struggled only in part due to relief pitching; how is a reliever going to "save the team?"

 

Have you seen how many games the bullpen has either blown a lead between innings 6-7, or when Rondon chokes? I know the stats say Rondon has been great, but my goodness he is awful in major spots. Chapman is nearly unhittable, I could see him coming in and getting those 2 inning saves Rondon could never nail down.

 

But you're talking like the bullpen is the main source of their struggles over the last two months; it hasn't been. Nobody is saying Chapman won't help, but thinking he's going to singlehandedly team when they've had long stretches of the offense or the starting pitching faltering is just silly.

[Sammy Sofa]

Or his girlfriend is crazy and was reacting to possibly finding out he was texting another girl (seems childish I know). No one knows anything other than the people at the scene.

 

So what you're positing is that Chapman is actually so noble because he was so terrified by his crazed girlfriend he had no choice but to start blasting off a gun to protect himself?

No not at all, I'm throwing out another scenario in what could have went down, since I provided a link yesterday with details of what happened. He didn't choke her, that's clear enough. He also fired a gun in the garage after the girlfriend had ran off already. Stop making it out to be he was firing a gun at her. That's absolutely absurd

 

I didn't say he fired it at her.

 

It's more than a little fucked up you think firing off a gun during a domestic dispute is only really a problem if they're firing AT someone.

[Freyr]

They've struggled only in part due to relief pitching; how is a reliever going to "save the team?"

 

Have you seen how many games the bullpen has either blown a lead between innings 6-7, or when Rondon chokes? I know the stats say Rondon has been great, but my goodness he is awful in major spots. Chapman is nearly unhittable, I could see him coming in and getting those 2 inning saves Rondon could never nail down.

you don't understand things

Because I don't share the same view of chapman as you, I know. Middle relief has been awful, the trickle down effect has already been stated.

 

Losing scwhwarbers bat is a problem over a full season for this team. That major left handed bat really balanced out this lineup. A lot less scary now, hopefully reddick is in the cards

[Sammy Sofa]

Middle relief has been awful, the trickle down effect has already been stated.

 

Oh, OK; since your incorrect idea was STATED, then it must be true.

[davell]

 

Players being ok with it doesn't mean much to me. Sports culture is ok with a lot things that society at large isn't, or shouldn't, be ok with.

 

The players and the business are more important than we are. If a guy is eligible to play and is good enough to play, my guess is any team would employ him if it helps them win.

 

The players' opinions about moral issues are not more important than anyone else's. In fact, they're probably the least important given how biased they are (as a group). I would expect the vast majority of players will be more concerned about winning than anything. They see a guy who is an awesome RP who was going to be on their team or someone else's in the playoffs, so they want him on their team. That shouldn't surprise anyone nor change anyone's perspective on whether the Cubs made the right move.

 

If the only thing you care about is winning at all costs, then that's up to you. I don't want to win by having to employ a guy everyone knows abused his girlfriend (even what he admits, shooting a gun in his garage during or shortly after a dispute with your wife, is domestic abuse - the clear intent is intimidation and fear).

 

I appreciate that you're at least willing to own that and talk reasonably about it, rather than try to dance around this issue.

 

Again, its a genuinely great response that I respect. But I do think the players feelings count more than ours, because its a business they affect in greater ways than we do. If we boycott, others step in. Its easier to find fans than it is great players unfortunately. Its a form of peer pressure, I guess. If everyone's willing to do it, I don't necessarily think we should expect our team to behave differently than any other. Its sports, a form of entertainment to us. But a huge business to those involved in it.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Have you seen how many games the bullpen has either blown a lead between innings 6-7, or when Rondon chokes? I know the stats say Rondon has been great, but my goodness he is awful in major spots. Chapman is nearly unhittable, I could see him coming in and getting those 2 inning saves Rondon could never nail down.

you don't understand things

Because I don't share the same view of chapman as you, I know. Middle relief has been awful, the trickle down effect has already been stated.

 

Losing scwhwarbers bat is a problem over a full season for this team. That major left handed bat really balanced out this lineup. A lot less scary now, hopefully reddick is in the cards

 

you barely ever post anything besides some homophobic nonsense then go on a relative posting binge criticizing those people who are upset with Chapman.

 

It speaks volumes

[Freyr]

 

So what you're positing is that Chapman is actually so noble because he was so terrified by his crazed girlfriend he had no choice but to start blasting off a gun to protect himself?

No not at all, I'm throwing out another scenario in what could have went down, since I provided a link yesterday with details of what happened. He didn't choke her, that's clear enough. He also fired a gun in the garage after the girlfriend had ran off already. Stop making it out to be he was firing a gun at her. That's absolutely absurd

 

I didn't say he fired it at her.

 

It's more than a little [expletive] up you think firing off a gun during a domestic dispute is only really a problem if they're firing AT someone.

im not defending the gun part, I misread it as you saying he was using a gun to protect himself or fire at her. Either way, he should have thrown a baseball thru the wall instead of that gun. I'm guessing that was his way of letting out anger. I think all of us on here can put that much together, right?

[Sammy Sofa]

No not at all, I'm throwing out another scenario in what could have went down, since I provided a link yesterday with details of what happened. He didn't choke her, that's clear enough. He also fired a gun in the garage after the girlfriend had ran off already. Stop making it out to be he was firing a gun at her. That's absolutely absurd

 

I didn't say he fired it at her.

 

It's more than a little [expletive] up you think firing off a gun during a domestic dispute is only really a problem if they're firing AT someone.

im not defending the gun part, I misread it as you saying he was using a gun to protect himself or fire at her. Either way, he should have thrown a baseball thru the wall instead of that gun. I'm guessing that was his way of letting out anger. I think all of us on here can put that much together, right?

 

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[jersey cubs fan]

that's just his way

 

 

we have to accept it or we're the monsters

[Freyr]

you don't understand things

Because I don't share the same view of chapman as you, I know. Middle relief has been awful, the trickle down effect has already been stated.

 

Losing scwhwarbers bat is a problem over a full season for this team. That major left handed bat really balanced out this lineup. A lot less scary now, hopefully reddick is in the cards

 

you barely ever post anything besides some homophobic nonsense then go on a relative posting binge criticizing those people who are upset with Chapman.

 

It speaks volumes

 

I don't post anything because there's posters like you who hunt down another poster and try and belittle them lol. I also have a life outside of cubs baseball.

 

I didn't go on any homophobe binge either. I'll remember if you root for chapman and your posts will be up in that World Series celebration thread come October.

 

You sound like a jealous little kid, am I intruding on your board?

[Sammy Sofa]

Just letting out anger. Because bitches be crazy and all.

 

BLAM!!!

 

Oh, excuse me.

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't post anything because there's posters like you who hunt down another poster and try and belittle them lol. I also have a life outside of cubs baseball.

 

I'll remember if you root for chapman and your posts will be up in that World Series celebration thread come October.

 

That's a staggering lack of self-awareness.

[Tracer Bullet]

 

You were there for the whole thing and know exactly what happened? that's fascinating please continue to tell us all about it. I hate that people assume whatever a woman says to the police is 100% accurate. What he said happened and what she said happened were very different stories. I'm not saying he didn't do anything wrong but Jesus you weren't there how the hell do you know what went down? Reporters weren't there either. There's a reason why the police didn't pursue the case. I don't feel sorry for either one of them, they had issues, they worked them out apparently. I don't care what happened in their personal life. Frankly I don't think anyone needs to be judging the guy. He went through the legal and baseball judgement and served a suspension. Nothing is going to change what happened. He's here now, probably only for a few months. Enjoy his pitching dominance and move on.

 

I'm too busy at work today to tear into this appropriately, but I'll just say that you need to read more about domestic violence, why victims don't report or retract their reports, and why they stay with abusers.

 

It's far more important than baseball.

 

Or his girlfriend is crazy and was reacting to possibly finding out he was texting another girl (seems childish I know). No one knows anything other than the people at the scene. It's day 3 of Chapman trade being done, move on with your lives and don't cheer him on when he's saving this team. And yea they do need saving, they really have played awful since June

 

you don't get to decide what people discuss here. you know what this topic is about. contribute positively or ignore it and gtfo.

[Freyr]

 

I'm too busy at work today to tear into this appropriately, but I'll just say that you need to read more about domestic violence, why victims don't report or retract their reports, and why they stay with abusers.

 

It's far more important than baseball.

 

Or his girlfriend is crazy and was reacting to possibly finding out he was texting another girl (seems childish I know). No one knows anything other than the people at the scene. It's day 3 of Chapman trade being done, move on with your lives and don't cheer him on when he's saving this team. And yea they do need saving, they really have played awful since June

 

you don't get to decide what people discuss here. you know what this topic is about. contribute positively or ignore it and gtfo.

How is my side of the arguement any different than multiple posters coming at me or stating their opinion? You're an idiot

[davell]

I don't think you should call someone an idiot if you can't spell argument.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I really hate that our big FA move is littered with this crap

[Tracer Bullet]

 

Or his girlfriend is crazy and was reacting to possibly finding out he was texting another girl (seems childish I know). No one knows anything other than the people at the scene. It's day 3 of Chapman trade being done, move on with your lives and don't cheer him on when he's saving this team. And yea they do need saving, they really have played awful since June

 

you don't get to decide what people discuss here. you know what this topic is about. contribute positively or ignore it and gtfo.

How is my side of the arguement any different than multiple posters coming at me or stating their opinion? You're an idiot

 

the bold is the issue.

 

or was, now your last sentence is the issue.

[imb]

I really hate that our big FA move is littered with this crap

 

FA?

[Sammy Sofa]

 

Or his girlfriend is crazy and was reacting to possibly finding out he was texting another girl (seems childish I know). No one knows anything other than the people at the scene. It's day 3 of Chapman trade being done, move on with your lives and don't cheer him on when he's saving this team. And yea they do need saving, they really have played awful since June

 

you don't get to decide what people discuss here. you know what this topic is about. contribute positively or ignore it and gtfo.

How is my side of the arguement any different than multiple posters coming at me or stating their opinion? You're an idiot

 

Dude basically went out like this:

 

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[squally1313]

I really hate that our big FA move is littered with this crap

 

FA?

 

Felon Acquisition?

[Bryants Disco Ball]

 

you don't get to decide what people discuss here. you know what this topic is about. contribute positively or ignore it and gtfo.

How is my side of the arguement any different than multiple posters coming at me or stating their opinion? You're an idiot

 

the bold is the issue.

 

or was, now your last sentence is the issue.

 

I was a bit insulted by your comment to me the other day but I felt I handled it well at least.

[treebird]

 

Or his girlfriend is crazy and was reacting to possibly finding out he was texting another girl (seems childish I know). No one knows anything other than the people at the scene. It's day 3 of Chapman trade being done, move on with your lives and don't cheer him on when he's saving this team. And yea they do need saving, they really have played awful since June

 

you don't get to decide what people discuss here. you know what this topic is about. contribute positively or ignore it and gtfo.

How is my side of the arguement any different than multiple posters coming at me or stating their opinion? You're an idiot

 

how on earth did you use the right you're there

[David]

 

you don't get to decide what people discuss here. you know what this topic is about. contribute positively or ignore it and gtfo.

How is my side of the arguement any different than multiple posters coming at me or stating their opinion? You're an idiot

 

how on earth did you use the right you're there

 

i'm not even trying to be a little bit funny or lying in any way. i literally thought the exact same words a while ago when i read that.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I really hate that our big FA move is littered with this crap

 

FA?

 

Felon Acquisition?

 

Bingo

[Rob]

I think I just figured out where Theo was going with this. In just one more brilliant move, he can solve our relief pitching problems and make sure Chapman gets what he deserves:

 

Cubs trade Aroldis Chapman to California Penal League for Ricky "Wild Thing" Vaughn.

 

Theo, you sly bastard.