5 WAR before the Break

[Tim]

Bryant made it with his game yesterday. He is currently third in MLB behind only Trout and Donaldson.

[UMFan83]

Bryant made it with his game yesterday. He is currently third in MLB behind only Trout and Donaldson.

 

And I believe he is considerably ahead of Seager for 1st in NL

[Tim]

Bryant made it with his game yesterday. He is currently third in MLB behind only Trout and Donaldson.

 

And I believe he is considerably ahead of Seager for 1st in NL

Crawford is second at 4.2

[UMFan83]

Whose WAR are you using?

 

 

Edit: I guess it's conceivable Crawford jumped the other 2 yesterday

[Tim]

Whose WAR are you using?

 

 

Edit: I guess it's conceivable Crawford jumped the other 2 yesterday

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2016&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0

[UMFan83]

I guess he was worth a half a win yesterday.

 

On the topic of WAR, why does Rizzo always grade out so poorly at 1B? He seems like a pretty competent defender overall. Also thought he was a decent baserunner and he has negative marks there too.

[David]

I guess he was worth a half a win yesterday.

 

On the topic of WAR, why does Rizzo always grade out so poorly at 1B? He seems like a pretty competent defender overall. Also thought he was a decent baserunner and he has negative marks there too.

 

He doesn't. What you're looking at is the result of the positional adjustment and him being at the one lowest on the totem pole.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2016&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=20,d

 

(Note: Shaw has also played a good amount of 3B - as well as grading out freakishly well at 1B - which is why he's so high)

 

As for baserunning, he's king TOOTBLAN.

[jersey cubs fan]

I guess he was worth a half a win yesterday.

 

On the topic of WAR, why does Rizzo always grade out so poorly at 1B? He seems like a pretty competent defender overall. Also thought he was a decent baserunner and he has negative marks there too.

 

 

white privilege

[bcl412]

I used to be on top of things but i didn't even know Crawford was good let alone one of the best in the league good.

[sneakypower]

Rizzo leads NL in wOBA

 

also i wonder how many guesses it would take most people here to name NL leader in SLG

[jersey cubs fan]

Rizzo leads NL in wOBA

 

also i wonder how many guesses it would take most people here to name NL leader in SLG

one of the all star snubs?

[UMFan83]

Rizzo leads NL in wOBA

 

also i wonder how many guesses it would take most people here to name NL leader in SLG

 

I only know because I read it somewhere yesterday when googling whether this person made the ASG (he didn't)

[Old Style]

WAR, what is it good for?

[SouthSideRyan]

Rizzo leads NL in wOBA

 

also i wonder how many guesses it would take most people here to name NL leader in SLG

 

Duvall?

[imb]

Rizzo leads NL in wOBA

 

also i wonder how many guesses it would take most people here to name NL leader in SLG

 

Duvall?

 

his batting average is too low, he's second in ISO tho (to the player with the highest slg in the NL)

Edited July 11, 2016 by Elon Musk

[Clem Fandango]

Bryant is leading the National League's clear cut best third baseman, Nolan Arenado, by 1.8 fWAR

[Clem Fandango]

Rizzo leads NL in wOBA

 

also i wonder how many guesses it would take most people here to name NL leader in SLG

 

Duvall?

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lambja01.shtml

 

About 55% of his hits have been for extra bases. That's crazy

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I guess he was worth a half a win yesterday.

 

I think stuff like UZR is updated less frequently than daily, so it could be yesterday's offense and a week or so of defensive value.

[David]

Rizzo leads NL in wOBA

 

also i wonder how many guesses it would take most people here to name NL leader in SLG

 

Duvall?

 

that was gonna be my guess too

[imb]

Rizzo leads NL in wOBA

 

also i wonder how many guesses it would take most people here to name NL leader in SLG

 

Duvall?

 

that was gonna be my guess too

 

im guessing the reason you can't ... guess it is because he plays too late in the night for most people to even know hes good

[jersey cubs fan]

im guessing the reason you can't ... guess it is because he plays too late in the night for most people to even know hes good

 

that could be anybody on the Cubs thanks to crane taking them off WGN and doing away with day games. And what about the good old fashioned doubleheader, why don't we have more of those?

[jersey cubs fan]

im guessing the reason you can't ... guess it is because he plays too late in the night for most people to even know hes good

 

I believe if this player played less than half of his games in Chase Field and Coors Field, and had to play in tougher parks like Wrigley Field more often, he would be led to his slaughter.

[UMFan83]

 

Duvall?

 

that was gonna be my guess too

 

im guessing the reason you can't ... guess it is because he plays too late in the night for most people to even know hes good

 

Plus even among west coast teams, no one cares about Arizona. Lamb was a mediocre player his first 2 years and was never a top 50 prospect so it takes awhile to notice him. Heck even in a big market, Jake Arrieta had a 2.59 ERA between the start of 2014 and the ASB in 2015 over 280 innings and didn't make the team last year.

[sneakypower]

I guess he was worth a half a win yesterday.

 

I think stuff like UZR is updated less frequently than daily, so it could be yesterday's offense and a week or so of defensive value.

Bryant was specifically worth .173292559 WAR yesterday so it must've been a very favorable UZR update (scoring change?)

[Aaron_Kennelly]

That big jump is definitely due to UZR not being updated daily. I think it is updated weekly, on Mondays, from my anal retentive following of it.

 

Also of note: It's not just a player's defensive performance that can cause a big jump in UZR. UZR measures runs above average. So everything that other players at your position do will affect your numbers. If the average shortstop (the aggregate of all shortstops) has a bad week, then you will look better in comparison. So, though Jorge Soler hasn't played in awhile, his UZR has been changing slightly from week to week, depending on how other players play defense.

 

This is also another thing that is a bit of a problem with UZR. There was some discussion about this in 2014 when Alex Gordon had a huge WAR, thanks largely to a huge UZR in left field that came out of, well, left field. He'd always been a really good left fielder, but his UZR there in 2014 was way above his norm. And he wasn't actually making more plays. His OOZ (out-of-zone) plays made was actually smaller than the year before. It's just that the average left fielder was worse defensively that year, because a bunch of good defensive left fielders from 2013 either were injured, or started aging, or moved over to center field.

 

I think this has actually affected Addison Russell quite a bit. He hasn't been quite as good defensively this year as he was last year at short. He's made about the same amount of plays out of his zone on a per inning basis. And his insider edge fielding numbers look the same, for plays out of his zone. But, he has made a few more errors this year. Last year he made all of the plays classified as routine on insider edge. This year, he's missed a few. Still, he's been very good. He's almost as good as last year, when he was probably the best in the league, in the time he played the position. And his numbers this year are still very good. Well above average in DRS and UZR.

 

But, his numbers aren't crazy good like they were last year. And I think it has a lot to do with the influx of really good young shortstops. There's been a lot of old and bad shortstops replaced within the last year. Russell and Lindor have now played a full season, and both are exceptional. And they pushed out the numbers of the guys they replaced, Starlin and Jose Ramirez, who were bad. Corey Seager, who is also very good, took over for Jimmy Rollins, who was very bad. Zack Cozart, another one of the best in the game, was injured for most of last year, and Eugenio Saurez, who was dreadful, took his place. Ian Desmond has moved to the outfield, and Danny Espinosa has slid in at short and been good. Jhonny Peralta was slid off the position. Jose Reyes hasn't played there.

 

It's just a much better group of shortstops, collectively.