Shields to the White Sox

[UMFan83]

Actually not a bad move at all for the Sox. They trade Erik Johnson and Fernando Tatis Jr AND the Padres will eat over half of Shields remaining contract

 

[Transmogrified Tiger]

That's a good move, if Cooper can help cure Shields' homeritis it could be a very good one.

[itisallpartoftheplan]

They might regret this if Fernando Tatis Jr breaks his dad's record and hit 3 grand slams in one inning.

[Regular Show]

I don't get this trade. Like I get it from the White Sox's perspective. Good trade for them, but not so much for the Padres. Like why not just wait till closer to the trade deadline and see if you can get a better package of prospects? Honestly this return is pretty bad. E. Johnson is not a good pitcher and I doubt he develops into anything beyond a #5 starter. I have no idea what happens to F. Tatis Jr. but he is so far away and so young. I guess he could develop into an interesting player...

 

I guess they figured J. Shields has low trade value and his value may drop off even more after a few more bad starts. Still a weird trade to me considering how much the Padres are paying of his remaining contract.

 

Last thing, the Cubs dodged a bullet by not signing him. He would've been a bad fit on this team and is worse than all of our starters right now. Of course, our rotation is insane and there are few pitchers actually better than the five we have.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't get this trade. Like I get it from the White Sox's perspective. Good trade for them, but not so much for the Padres. Like why not just wait till closer to the trade deadline and see if you can get a better package of prospects? Honestly this return is pretty bad. E. Johnson is not a good pitcher and I doubt he develops into anything beyond a #5 starter. I have no idea what happens to F. Tatis Jr. but he is so far away and so young. I guess he could develop into an interesting player...

 

I guess they figured J. Shields has low trade value and his value may drop off even more after a few more bad starts. Still a weird trade to me considering how much the Padres are paying of his remaining contract.

 

I don't think Shields was going to move the needle a ton on his trade value in the next 7 weeks, and for the possibility of getting better prospects, there's also the possibility that things get worse for Shields or he gets hurt.

[Regular Show]

Yeah I agree. Still this upcoming trade deadline will feature few elite pitchers and some GMs may get desperate to upgrade their rotation. I don't think J. Shields is viewed as an elite pitcher anymore, but he is durable and maybe a few tweaks can improve his performance.

 

I wonder if Preller made this move or it came from above. Padres are a strange team -- they make trades like this really early in June while refusing to do anything last year at the trade deadline when they had good pieces to trade.

[UMFan83]

I don't get this trade. Like I get it from the White Sox's perspective. Good trade for them, but not so much for the Padres. Like why not just wait till closer to the trade deadline and see if you can get a better package of prospects? Honestly this return is pretty bad. E. Johnson is not a good pitcher and I doubt he develops into anything beyond a #5 starter. I have no idea what happens to F. Tatis Jr. but he is so far away and so young. I guess he could develop into an interesting player...

 

I guess they figured J. Shields has low trade value and his value may drop off even more after a few more bad starts. Still a weird trade to me considering how much the Padres are paying of his remaining contract.

 

I don't think Shields was going to move the needle a ton on his trade value in the next 7 weeks, and for the possibility of getting better prospects, there's also the possibility that things get worse for Shields or he gets hurt.

 

I would guess he's thinking that the risk of losing what's on the table (Erik Johnson and Fernando Tatis jr) is not devastating loss if you wait a few weeks and he gets injured or they don't get as good of an offer. My guess is that the trade was financially motivated. Even though they ate half the deal, that's still a $28m savings for a team that's going nowhere. That is what you risk by waiting until late July when the Sox are offering it now.

[Bear Cub]

The Hawk said yesterday, after the trade was announced, that there isnt a team in baseball that Shields wouldnt be a starting pitcher for......who would he replace in the Cubs rotation?

[weis21]

nobody. he would be the cubs long reliever.

[NewUserName]

Similar to the Frazier trade. It makes the White Sox better at a position of weakness, which is good. But I really don't think the Sox truly understand why they are not that good. This trade does nothing to address the Sox two biggest issues. Low OBP and bad defense.

[PackLandVA]

The Hawk said yesterday, after the trade was announced, that there isnt a team in baseball that Shields wouldnt be a starting pitcher for......who would he replace in the Cubs rotation?

 

Or the Giants, Dodgers (when healthy), Nationals, Mets or Cardinals??

[soccer10k]

The Hawk said yesterday, after the trade was announced, that there isnt a team in baseball that Shields wouldnt be a starting pitcher for......who would he replace in the Cubs rotation?

 

Or the Giants, Dodgers (when healthy), Nationals, Mets or Cardinals??

 

Peavy and Cain have been terrible this year so he could definitely replace one of them. The only reason both those guys are still in the rotation is Chris Heston was bad out of the pen (albeit 5 innings) and hasn't been good as a starter in AAA right now. Based on performance this year, he could definitely replace Harvey, Wacha or Wainwright but those two teams wouldn't replace those guys yet.

 

He wouldn't replace anyone in the Nats rotation though.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Similar to the Frazier trade. It makes the White Sox better at a position of weakness, which is good. But I really don't think the Sox truly understand why they are not that good. This trade does nothing to address the Sox two biggest issues. Low OBP and bad defense.

 

I think there's more hope that their current options can help with things like low OBP(Abreu is 45 points below his career mark, for example) than there was that their current options in the back of the rotation were going to hold up for ~45 more starts.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The White Sox have spent the past 2-3 years trying to replicate what they did in 2005- they'd just lost Carlos Lee and Mags, and Frank Thomas had been a non-entity most of that year. They had some quality young guys in Buehrle, Rowand, Garland, and Crede, but nobody thought anything of them as they stocked up on useful but hardly coveted free agent like Pierzynskie, Dye, and that non-celebrated Japanese star guy Iguchi, and traded for the equally useful and hardly coveted Contreras and Podednik. And then Bobby Jenks came out of fat air as an ace closer.

 

And somehow, the stars all aligned to bring them their best year ever. They went into the 2015 offseason with Sale, Quintana, Abreu, and not much else, and added Robertson, Melky, Laroche and Eaton and then Frazier, Latos, and Lawrie was a similar in terms of M.O.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Before agreeing to take Tatis and Johnson, the Padres asked the White Sox for their two best prospects, shortstop Tim Anderson and righty Carson Fulmer, per ESPN’s Jim Bowden (Twitter link).

 

In an effort to get a quality return for Shields, the Padres reached out to “every team in contention,” including the Tigers, reports Tony Paul of The Detroit News. Tigers executives listened to the Padres’ pitch, but they ultimately balked at their asking price, enabling division-rival Chicago to land the 34-year-old.

 

 

Imagining the negotiations now:

 

 

Preller: You're two best prospects and not a penny less.

 

Kenny*: No.

 

Preller: Then if you'll excuse me, I have some more calls to make. You're not the only game in town, you know.

 

 

Preller: Hello? Papa Johns? Yes. One large Pepperoni and Olive. 50% off you say? Then make that two.

 

 

Sits back, twiddles thumbs.

 

*10 minutes later*

 

Preller: Ok, I've been mulling over some very gerous offers. This is your last chance.

 

Kenny: Johnson and Tatis.

 

Preller: The grand slam guy?

 

Kenny: No. His kid.

 

Preller: Well...Ok. But you're picking up the salary.

 

Kenny: No.

 

Preller: Part of the salary.

 

Kenny: Yeah, sure.

 

Preller: And the airfare.

 

Kenny: No.

 

Preller: Bus fare.

 

Kenny: Yeah, whatever.

 

Preller: Deal!

 

Kenny: *click* *dialtone*

 

Preller: Hello? Hello?

 

Preller: Sits back with self satisfied grin.

 

* While aware that Kenny Williams is no longer the White Sox GM, to me, whomever fills the job will be forever known as Kenny.

 

[David]

damn, llf. that was horsefeathering hilarious.