Sports Media Thread

[dawson1989]

Back to the woman coach ...

 

Can it work? Eventually. I think 100 percent of players will be more skeptical of a woman coach but as an assistant she'll earn their trust when she speaks the jargon and proves to have the ability. Players want to win and if someone of the opposite sex proves to have the ability to scout well, see things and give ways to improve ... etc. they will accept it. They are just not going to give the benefit of the doubt.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Apparently, this is where Sharma is going

 

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I'm late to this but I kinda can't believe that Sharma is pairing up with Greenberg. Everything I've read from Greenberg has been smarmy and superficial, basically the opposite of Sharma's work.

 

The Athletic will almost certainly fail, but definitely worth it to try on the off chance they stumble into something, since writing jobs that pay the rent aren't a growth market. Sharma will be no less employable after the Athletic than he was at BP.

[Wilson A2000]

The 30 for 30 on the '85 Bears was pretty good. A lot of love for Buddy Ryan, not so much for Ditka, at least from the players' perspective.

[Banedon]

The 30 for 30 on the '85 Bears was pretty good. A lot of love for Buddy Ryan, not so much for Ditka, at least from the players' perspective.

 

Meh, I didn't watch it, but I'm sooooooo over the 85 Bears as to have almost no interest at all.

[Felix Leiter]

The 30 for 30 on the '85 Bears was pretty good. A lot of love for Buddy Ryan, not so much for Ditka, at least from the players' perspective.

 

Agree 100%. Sad to see Buddy Ryan in a wheelchair and suffering. But always good to see Otis Wilson highlights. CSN did an hour program on the 46 Defense and it also was good. Danny White of the Cowboys said that Otis' hits caused White to have two spinal fusions because of his hits. One quick Buddy Ryan story. The Bears were losing at halftime and Buddy goes over to Wilbur Marshall in the locker room and says: "Why don't you take a shower and sit up there with the rest of the cheerleaders." Marshall was pissed and went out in the second half and destroyed the other team.

 

Funny that some people wallow in a '69 team that never won anything and downplay an '85 World Champion. Odd.

[David]

The 30 for 30 on the '85 Bears was pretty good. A lot of love for Buddy Ryan, not so much for Ditka, at least from the players' perspective.

 

Meh, I didn't watch it, but I'm sooooooo over the 85 Bears as to have almost no interest at all.

 

I never cared at all about the 85 Bears and it was really good

[David]

The 30 for 30 on the '85 Bears was pretty good. A lot of love for Buddy Ryan, not so much for Ditka, at least from the players' perspective.

 

Agree 100%. Sad to see Buddy Ryan in a wheelchair and suffering. But always good to see Otis Wilson highlights. CSN did an hour program on the 46 Defense and it also was good. Danny White of the Cowboys said that Otis' hits caused White to have two spinal fusions because of his hits. One quick Buddy Ryan story. The Bears were losing at halftime and Buddy goes over to Wilbur Marshall in the locker room and says: "Why don't you take a shower and sit up there with the rest of the cheerleaders." Marshall was pissed and went out in the second half and destroyed the other team.

 

Funny that some people wallow in a '69 team that never won anything and downplay an '85 World Champion. Odd.

 

who?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

[jersey cubs fan]

The 30 for 30 on the '85 Bears was pretty good. A lot of love for Buddy Ryan, not so much for Ditka, at least from the players' perspective.

 

Agree 100%. Sad to see Buddy Ryan in a wheelchair and suffering. But always good to see Otis Wilson highlights. CSN did an hour program on the 46 Defense and it also was good. Danny White of the Cowboys said that Otis' hits caused White to have two spinal fusions because of his hits. One quick Buddy Ryan story. The Bears were losing at halftime and Buddy goes over to Wilbur Marshall in the locker room and says: "Why don't you take a shower and sit up there with the rest of the cheerleaders." Marshall was pissed and went out in the second half and destroyed the other team.

 

Funny that some people wallow in a '69 team that never won anything and downplay an '85 World Champion. Odd.

 

who?

 

Yeah, I mean there are losers that obsess over the '69 team but I'm fairly certain any of them that care at all about the Bears also obsess over that team. There isn't much crossover of Cubs/Bears fans that wallow over '69 and ignore '85.

[David]

plus i think he was directly trying to call out brandon's post...or posters here or something, when 95% of the posters here weren't even born in 1969.

[jersey cubs fan]

I was at peak obsess over your sports team age and have it stay with you forever for that team and while I enjoyed it, I have found the legacy of that group incredibly obnoxious.

 

Drew Magary ranked the Bears far too low.

 

http://deadspin.com/which-nfl-team-has-the-worst-alumni-1757068975

[David]

I was at peak obsess over your sports team age and have it stay with you forever for that team and while I enjoyed it, I have found the legacy of that group incredibly obnoxious.

 

Drew Magary ranked the Bears far too low.

 

http://deadspin.com/which-nfl-team-has-the-worst-alumni-1757068975

 

probably should be second on that list.

[Banedon]

plus i think he was directly trying to call out brandon's post...or posters here or something, when 95% of the posters here weren't even born in 1969.

 

Haha, yeah...I'm not disinterested in 85 because of 69...I'm disinterested in 85 because it's talked about so damn much. And also, I have much more attachment to teams I was invested in, and at 9 years old, I just wasn't that invested in the Bears.

[Sammy Sofa]

plus i think he was directly trying to call out brandon's post...or posters here or something, when 95% of the posters here weren't even born in 1969.

 

Haha, yeah...I'm not disinterested in 85 because of 69...I'm disinterested in 85 because it's talked about so damn much. And also, I have much more attachment to teams I was invested in, and at 9 years old, I just wasn't that invested in the Bears.

 

I thought it was one of the weaker type 30 for 30's, mainly because they let the players basically take over it, but they don't have much of anything to say. They think they're a bunch of scary, insane guys with CA-RAZY stories who are actually just really, really boring. It touched on a lot of interesting things (how dominating the defense was, the mix of personalities, basically ushering in modern day media endorsements, the after effects of football), but it was on the level of the 30 for 30's that were basically made by the major sports organizations in that it was too focused on making it a love letter to the subject.

 

The second half was better, if not depressing as hell. Seeing the different reactions to Payton's frustration over not scoring in the SB was interesting (but then when they have an opportunity to do something similar with Ditka going media crazy when he told everyone else not to and how it pissed a lot of them off, that's only briefly touched on and mostly played for a joke), as was McMahon dealing with his injuries.

[Brian707]

I just want the Bears to win another SB so people can stop talking about the 85 Bears. It was the first Bears team I watched, and I thought that team should have won more than one, that's the biggest problem I have with them. I was almost 9 when they won, but maybe I was a little young to appreciate them for that one single season.

[Felix Leiter]

plus i think he was directly trying to call out brandon's post...or posters here or something, when 95% of the posters here weren't even born in 1969.

 

Haha, yeah...I'm not disinterested in 85 because of 69...I'm disinterested in 85 because it's talked about so damn much. And also, I have much more attachment to teams I was invested in, and at 9 years old, I just wasn't that invested in the Bears.

 

I thought it was one of the weaker type 30 for 30's, mainly because they let the players basically take over it, but they don't have much of anything to say. They think they're a bunch of scary, insane guys with CA-RAZY stories who are actually just really, really boring. It touched on a lot of interesting things (how dominating the defense was, the mix of personalities, basically ushering in modern day media endorsements, the after effects of football), but it was on the level of the 30 for 30's that were basically made by the major sports organizations in that it was too focused on making it a love letter to the subject.

 

The second half was better, if not depressing as hell. Seeing the different reactions to Payton's frustration over not scoring in the SB was interesting (but then when they have an opportunity to do something similar with Ditka going media crazy when he told everyone else not to and how it pissed a lot of them off, that's only briefly touched on and mostly played for a joke), as was McMahon dealing with his injuries.

 

As usual Sammy, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. Or maybe another orifice. You thought it was 'weak' and then cite points you thought were interesting. And you must have stayed with it for the whole two hours because you could easily switched channels. I thought it captured the attitude of the team and how they were built. They didn't gloss over the Ditka/Ryan relationship. If it was a Bears mgmt. production, you would not have heard about McCaskey criticism. Even though it happened 30 years ago, there has not been a team that reached such national attention since, even though teams have had more sustained success.

[Sammy Sofa]

Well, that was a weird response. I had no idea I was on trial.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Haha, yeah...I'm not disinterested in 85 because of 69...I'm disinterested in 85 because it's talked about so damn much. And also, I have much more attachment to teams I was invested in, and at 9 years old, I just wasn't that invested in the Bears.

 

I thought it was one of the weaker type 30 for 30's, mainly because they let the players basically take over it, but they don't have much of anything to say. They think they're a bunch of scary, insane guys with CA-RAZY stories who are actually just really, really boring. It touched on a lot of interesting things (how dominating the defense was, the mix of personalities, basically ushering in modern day media endorsements, the after effects of football), but it was on the level of the 30 for 30's that were basically made by the major sports organizations in that it was too focused on making it a love letter to the subject.

 

The second half was better, if not depressing as hell. Seeing the different reactions to Payton's frustration over not scoring in the SB was interesting (but then when they have an opportunity to do something similar with Ditka going media crazy when he told everyone else not to and how it pissed a lot of them off, that's only briefly touched on and mostly played for a joke), as was McMahon dealing with his injuries.

 

As usual Sammy, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. Or maybe another orifice. You thought it was 'weak' and then cite points you thought were interesting. And you must have stayed with it for the whole two hours because you could easily switched channels. I thought it captured the attitude of the team and how they were built. They didn't gloss over the Ditka/Ryan relationship. If it was a Bears mgmt. production, you would not have heard about McCaskey criticism. Even though it happened 30 years ago, there has not been a team that reached such national attention since, even though teams have had more sustained success.

For the record, I think you can find points of anything interesting while finding the entire production as a whole, weak.

[Sammy Sofa]

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[David]

Plus he didn't necessarily say it was weak. Just weaker than other 30 for 30's. 30 for 30's, overall, are mostly great, so that's not exactly saying it was a pile of crap.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Felix gon' Felix

[Sammy Sofa]

Plus he didn't necessarily say it was weak. Just weaker than other 30 for 30's. 30 for 30's, overall, are mostly great, so that's not exactly saying it was a pile of crap.

 

Yeah, it wasn't bad, but it could have been a LOT better. I would have preferred something a little less fanboy-ish; I don't know if more critical is the right term, but something that really did try to figure out why a team that great didn't go on to more. This seemed to have a similar tone to the one about the Bills, which I thought was really well done, but this isn't a team that needs praising or vindication. This basically needed the opposite: OK, you guys are great at talking up how great you are, but what happened? If it really was simply Ryan leaving, then this could have just been one of the shorts, if bothering to make it at all.

[jersey cubs fan]

Plus he didn't necessarily say it was weak. Just weaker than other 30 for 30's. 30 for 30's, overall, are mostly great, so that's not exactly saying it was a pile of crap.

 

Yeah, it wasn't bad, but it could have been a LOT better. I would have preferred something a little less fanboy-ish; I don't know if more critical is the right term, but something that really did try to figure out why a team that great didn't go on to more. This seemed to have a similar tone to the one about the Bills, which I thought was really well done, but this isn't a team that needs praising or vindication. This basically needed the opposite: OK, you guys are great at talking up how great you are, but what happened? If it really was simply Ryan leaving, then this could have just been one of the shorts, if bothering to make it at all.

could it have used a little 30 for 30 The U type treatment?

[David]

Plus he didn't necessarily say it was weak. Just weaker than other 30 for 30's. 30 for 30's, overall, are mostly great, so that's not exactly saying it was a pile of crap.

 

Yeah, it wasn't bad, but it could have been a LOT better. I would have preferred something a little less fanboy-ish; I don't know if more critical is the right term, but something that really did try to figure out why a team that great didn't go on to more. This seemed to have a similar tone to the one about the Bills, which I thought was really well done, but this isn't a team that needs praising or vindication. This basically needed the opposite: OK, you guys are great at talking up how great you are, but what happened? If it really was simply Ryan leaving, then this could have just been one of the shorts, if bothering to make it at all.

 

Without having really experienced that era first-hand, I always got the impression that it was McMahon's injuries along with Ditka being a boob and being a boob with the QB position. And maybe some bad luck.

[Sammy Sofa]

Plus he didn't necessarily say it was weak. Just weaker than other 30 for 30's. 30 for 30's, overall, are mostly great, so that's not exactly saying it was a pile of crap.

 

Yeah, it wasn't bad, but it could have been a LOT better. I would have preferred something a little less fanboy-ish; I don't know if more critical is the right term, but something that really did try to figure out why a team that great didn't go on to more. This seemed to have a similar tone to the one about the Bills, which I thought was really well done, but this isn't a team that needs praising or vindication. This basically needed the opposite: OK, you guys are great at talking up how great you are, but what happened? If it really was simply Ryan leaving, then this could have just been one of the shorts, if bothering to make it at all.

could it have used a little 30 for 30 The U type treatment?

 

Big time. Or "Pony Excess"-like, that really charts the downfall.

 

Basically if the point of it was to argue they were the best team ever, it failed. If the point was to figure out why they didn't go on to further greatness, it failed. It was just this muddled bunch of kinda fan-service basically just designed for the participating players and Ditka to talk themselves up.

 

And it was weird how they didn't touch on the problems the Fridge has gone through at all.