Patrick Kane Rape Investigation

[Sammy Sofa]

sulley right now:

 

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/5uemlz/chappelle-s-show-celebrity-trial-jury-selection---uncensored

 

where did i say he didn't do it, or even i think he didn't do it?

 

That whole discussion between you and jersey at the top of the page is about as *wink-wink, nudge-nudge* as you can get without flat out saying, "I don't think he did it." If you were just explaining why you think he's not going get in any real trouble even if he did do it, then my apologies; to me it came across as more than that.

[Guest]

Basically he's complaining about people not prefacing their opinions with "I think" or "I believe" or "maybe" about Kane because he's a fan. It's a typical cop-out; people start acting like everyday conversations are supposed to be conducted like idealized news reports or courtroom arguments when they don't like the opinion being expressed.

 

no, not that simple to recognize. within the opinions themselves is rooted a clear bias, here, an absolute assumption born of disgust, that he raped that girl.

 

So what? I think he's a scumbag who's probably crossed the line before.

 

ok, then don't get all ruffled when someone makes an insinuation that the girl is doing this for money, and that his family guards him from this type a of [expletive] because it's happened before.

[jersey cubs fan]

Basically he's complaining about people not prefacing their opinions with "I think" or "I believe" or "maybe" about Kane because he's a fan. It's a typical cop-out; people start acting like everyday conversations are supposed to be conducted like idealized news reports or courtroom arguments when they don't like the opinion being expressed.

 

no, not that simple to recognize. within the opinions themselves is rooted a clear bias, here, an absolute assumption born of disgust, that he raped that girl.

When somebody accuses another person of rape the fact is it usually has merit.

 

So my bias is to believe a rape victim is telling the truth. Not sure why you take such offense to that stance.

[Guest]

sulley right now:

 

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/5uemlz/chappelle-s-show-celebrity-trial-jury-selection---uncensored

 

where did i say he didn't do it, or even i think he didn't do it?

 

That whole discussion between you and jersey at the top of the page is about as *wink-wink, nudge-nudge* as you can get without flat out saying, "I don't think he did it." If you were just explaining why you think he's not going get in any real trouble even if he did do it, then my apologies; to me it came across as more than that.

 

more playing the devil's advocate. as disgusting as rape is, being falsely accused is a horrible thing as well.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

ok, then don't get all ruffled when someone makes an insinuation that the girl is doing this for money, and that his family guards him from this type a of [expletive] because it's happened before.

 

No. I will get ruffled about such insinuations because that is part of the problem with rape culture.

[Sammy Sofa]

Basically he's complaining about people not prefacing their opinions with "I think" or "I believe" or "maybe" about Kane because he's a fan. It's a typical cop-out; people start acting like everyday conversations are supposed to be conducted like idealized news reports or courtroom arguments when they don't like the opinion being expressed.

 

no, not that simple to recognize. within the opinions themselves is rooted a clear bias, here, an absolute assumption born of disgust, that he raped that girl.

 

So what? I think he's a scumbag who's probably crossed the line before.

 

ok, then don't get all ruffled when someone makes an insinuation that the girl is doing this for money, and that his family guards him from this type a of [expletive] because it's happened before.

 

Why not? I'm not complaining about semantic nonsense like opinion vs. bias. If I think the argument is full of [expletive] I take it on.

[squally1313]

Sofa I don't have a problem with you being sure that he did it. I just don't think you can get to that conclusion because of his past. Outside of the one rumored story up in Madison, there has been no published evidence, rumoroed or otherwise, about him showing violence or aggression towards women. It's essentially condemning an entire culture of people as eventual rapists because they love to get really drunk.

[Guest]

Basically he's complaining about people not prefacing their opinions with "I think" or "I believe" or "maybe" about Kane because he's a fan. It's a typical cop-out; people start acting like everyday conversations are supposed to be conducted like idealized news reports or courtroom arguments when they don't like the opinion being expressed.

 

no, not that simple to recognize. within the opinions themselves is rooted a clear bias, here, an absolute assumption born of disgust, that he raped that girl.

When somebody accuses another person of rape the fact is it usually has merit.

 

So my bias is to believe a rape victim is telling the truth. Not sure why you take such offense to that stance.

 

it's clearly a very personal issue to you, and that's fine. but there are two sides,

 

I won't even begin to analyze your statement about accusations having merit, because I don't know. When money is involved, I'd say that there is probably a lower rate of merit, but that's just deduction.

[Sammy Sofa]

sulley right now:

 

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/5uemlz/chappelle-s-show-celebrity-trial-jury-selection---uncensored

 

where did i say he didn't do it, or even i think he didn't do it?

 

That whole discussion between you and jersey at the top of the page is about as *wink-wink, nudge-nudge* as you can get without flat out saying, "I don't think he did it." If you were just explaining why you think he's not going get in any real trouble even if he did do it, then my apologies; to me it came across as more than that.

 

more playing the devil's advocate. as disgusting as rape is, being falsely accused is a horrible thing as well.

 

Being falsely accused of anything is horrible; it's stupid that people think false sexual assault accusations happen anywhere near the scale and scope of actual sexual assaults. They're not things that need to be weighed on any kind of equal scale or equal time. That Patrick Kane raped this woman is far, far, far, far, FAR more likely than him being set up with a fake rape charge.

[jersey cubs fan]

Sofa I don't have a problem with you being sure that he did it. I just don't think you can get to that conclusion because of his past. Outside of the one rumored story up in Madison, there has been no published evidence, rumoroed or otherwise, about him showing violence or aggression towards women. It's essentially condemning an entire culture of people as eventual rapists because they love to get really drunk.

Out of the rumored story there are no rumored stories?

[Banedon]

sulley right now:

 

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/5uemlz/chappelle-s-show-celebrity-trial-jury-selection---uncensored

 

where did i say he didn't do it, or even i think he didn't do it?

 

That whole discussion between you and jersey at the top of the page is about as *wink-wink, nudge-nudge* as you can get without flat out saying, "I don't think he did it." If you were just explaining why you think he's not going get in any real trouble even if he did do it, then my apologies; to me it came across as more than that.

 

more playing the devil's advocate. as disgusting as rape is, being falsely accused is a horrible thing as well.

 

Being falsely accused of anything is horrible; it's stupid that people think false sexual assault accusations happen anywhere near the scale and scope of actual sexual assaults. They're not things that need to be weighed on any kind of equal scale or equal time. That Patrick Kane raped this woman is far, far, far, far, FAR more likely than him being set up with a fake rape charge.

 

Reminds me of the GOP being all worried about voter fraud.

[Guest]

Basically he's complaining about people not prefacing their opinions with "I think" or "I believe" or "maybe" about Kane because he's a fan. It's a typical cop-out; people start acting like everyday conversations are supposed to be conducted like idealized news reports or courtroom arguments when they don't like the opinion being expressed.

 

no, not that simple to recognize. within the opinions themselves is rooted a clear bias, here, an absolute assumption born of disgust, that he raped that girl.

 

So what? I think he's a scumbag who's probably crossed the line before.

 

ok, then don't get all ruffled when someone makes an insinuation that the girl is doing this for money, and that his family guards him from this type a of [expletive] because it's happened before.

 

Why not? I'm not complaining about semantic nonsense like opinion vs. bias. If I think the argument is full of [expletive] I take it on.

 

yeah, but you're reducing the argument to some trite piece of spineless crap. it's not about prefacing an argument, i don't really care if you preface anything.

 

the fact is we don't [expletive] know anything. to assume anything about Kane or about the girl is wrong. Kane's a [expletive] partying douchebag, but that doesn't make him a rapist, no more than being a drunk chick at a party makes the girl a liar. if you believe that he raped her, you are inclined to believe that because of personal bias. if you believe the opposite, you're an [expletive] sports fan of the worst kind.

[jersey cubs fan]

Patrick Kane at the parade:

 

“I know you said I’ve been growing up, but watch out for me the next week.”

– Patrick Kane, likely causing Hawks management to sweat a bit more over the next few days

 

Dude bros gonna dude bro but Kane has never done himself any favors.

[Guest]

 

Being falsely accused of anything is horrible; it's stupid that people think false sexual assault accusations happen anywhere near the scale and scope of actual sexual assaults. They're not things that need to be weighed on any kind of equal scale or equal time. That Patrick Kane raped this woman is far, far, far, far, FAR more likely than him being set up with a fake rape charge.

 

this is totally laziness on your part. in a vacuum, yes, but you are treating this accusation like any other accusation when it's clearly not.

[squally1313]

Sofa I don't have a problem with you being sure that he did it. I just don't think you can get to that conclusion because of his past. Outside of the one rumored story up in Madison, there has been no published evidence, rumoroed or otherwise, about him showing violence or aggression towards women. It's essentially condemning an entire culture of people as eventual rapists because they love to get really drunk.

Out of the rumored story there are no rumored stories?

 

Is 'there has been one rumored story in the 8 years he's been on the Hawks' better for you?

 

Look at the evidence of what happened that weekend and believe whatever you want to believe. But arguing like this was something that probably happened before, or was going to happen at some point no matter what seems a bit too far.

[Sammy Sofa]

Sofa I don't have a problem with you being sure that he did it. I just don't think you can get to that conclusion because of his past. Outside of the one rumored story up in Madison, there has been no published evidence, rumoroed or otherwise, about him showing violence or aggression towards women. It's essentially condemning an entire culture of people as eventual rapists because they love to get really drunk.

 

I can conclude whatever I want; he seems like a rich aggro douche who's basically been an entitled star his entire life who has a drinking problem and problems with violence (the Madison debacle alone is like a microcosm of everything wrong with him). I'm "condemning" a very specific type of [expletive] there, not "dudes who like to get hammered." Patrick Kane isn't like you or your friends or anyone you know, so what's this "entire culture" you're so worried about? Millionaires who have been sports stars since they were teenagers who have drinking and violence issues and act like most women are nothing but [expletive] toys or worse?

Edited August 14, 2015 by Sammy Sofa

[jersey cubs fan]

Sofa I don't have a problem with you being sure that he did it. I just don't think you can get to that conclusion because of his past. Outside of the one rumored story up in Madison, there has been no published evidence, rumoroed or otherwise, about him showing violence or aggression towards women. It's essentially condemning an entire culture of people as eventual rapists because they love to get really drunk.

Out of the rumored story there are no rumored stories?

 

Is 'there has been one rumored story in the 8 years he's been on the Hawks' better for you?

 

Look at the evidence of what happened that weekend and believe whatever you want to believe. But arguing like this was something that probably happened before, or was going to happen at some point no matter what seems a bit too far.

 

Nobody is talking about whether it happened before and was destined to happen. The question is did this happen and right now hoping it did not happen does not look good.

[Sammy Sofa]

 

Being falsely accused of anything is horrible; it's stupid that people think false sexual assault accusations happen anywhere near the scale and scope of actual sexual assaults. They're not things that need to be weighed on any kind of equal scale or equal time. That Patrick Kane raped this woman is far, far, far, far, FAR more likely than him being set up with a fake rape charge.

 

this is totally laziness on your part. in a vacuum, yes, but you are treating this accusation like any other accusation when it's clearly not.

 

Him being a celebrity shouldn't automatically cast doubt on a criminal investigation; he's just as capable of committing the crime just like anybody else. When the cab story came out did you figure there was a good chance he was just being set up there, too?

[Sammy Sofa]

Reminds me of the GOP being all worried about voter fraud.

 

That's a damn good analogy.

[Sammy Sofa]

yeah, but you're reducing the argument to some trite piece of spineless crap. it's not about prefacing an argument, i don't really care if you preface anything.

 

Sure, you say this, but then turn right around and say THIS:

 

the fact is we don't [expletive] know anything. to assume anything about Kane or about the girl is wrong. Kane's a [expletive] partying douchebag, but that doesn't make him a rapist, no more than being a drunk chick at a party makes the girl a liar. if you believe that he raped her, you are inclined to believe that because of personal bias. if you believe the opposite, you're an [expletive] sports fan of the worst kind.

 

Again with the meaningless bias complaint. Of course what I'm saying about Kane is colored by my opinion of him and what he's accused of; you just don't like hearing it. Obviously what I'm saying isn't any kind of fact, but this nonsense where you keep trying to act like both parties are the victim here is absurd.

Edited August 14, 2015 by Sammy Sofa

[squally1313]

Sofa I don't have a problem with you being sure that he did it. I just don't think you can get to that conclusion because of his past. Outside of the one rumored story up in Madison, there has been no published evidence, rumoroed or otherwise, about him showing violence or aggression towards women. It's essentially condemning an entire culture of people as eventual rapists because they love to get really drunk.

Out of the rumored story there are no rumored stories?

 

Is 'there has been one rumored story in the 8 years he's been on the Hawks' better for you?

 

Look at the evidence of what happened that weekend and believe whatever you want to believe. But arguing like this was something that probably happened before, or was going to happen at some point no matter what seems a bit too far.

 

Nobody is talking about whether it happened before and was destined to happen. The question is did this happen and right now hoping it did not happen does not look good.

 

It very quickly goes from "eh, not a bad idea for a very young famous person who likes to party a lot and too much" to likely enabling some REALLY bad behavior to keep continuing perpetually. This guy has been a star since he was 19; he's now 26. All of his friends and apparently even his family are just basically encouraging the party to never stop; this guy arguably never had a chance to ever grow up and realize you have to be accountable for something. Honestly, this is sounding less and less like it was a moment that went too far and more like it was sadly inevitable...and probably didn't only happen this once.

 

Also, how does hoping that someone didn't get raped not look good?

[Sammy Sofa]

I'll bet every single [expletive] dollar I have that Patrick Kane has sexually assaulted someone before this.

[squally1313]

I'll bet every single [expletive] dollar I have that Patrick Kane has sexually assaulted someone before this.

 

It's possible for people to be total douchebags and also not rapists. You said that the Madison debacle is a microcosm of everything wrong with him. What other violent or aggressive incidents does that story represent? Yeah he's a terrible person who I would have no interest in spending any time with, and yes, he's nothing like anyone I know. But maybe there are other circles in the Venn diagram here.

[squally1313]

As an aside (and yes, I know they aren't the same case), it's pretty interesting to read the thread that resulted from Castro's sexual assault situation.

[Guest]

 

Being falsely accused of anything is horrible; it's stupid that people think false sexual assault accusations happen anywhere near the scale and scope of actual sexual assaults. They're not things that need to be weighed on any kind of equal scale or equal time. That Patrick Kane raped this woman is far, far, far, far, FAR more likely than him being set up with a fake rape charge.

 

this is totally laziness on your part. in a vacuum, yes, but you are treating this accusation like any other accusation when it's clearly not.

 

Him being a celebrity shouldn't automatically cast doubt on a criminal investigation; he's just as capable of committing the crime just like anybody else. When the cab story came out did you figure there was a good chance he was just being set up there, too?

 

i'm not saying him simply being a celebrity makes it different, you're still being lazy, or willfully ignorant, it's the fact that he has money and is an easy target, especially acting the way he does. you think people won't do unethical things for money?