8/6 Giants (Heston) @ Cubs (Hammel) - 7:05 pm CT CSN

[Andy]

chris heston is a 27 y/o 12th rounder rookie? ugh

 

I don't get why you guys are so caught up in things like this. Some players/pitchers aren't championed in the minors and can develop into really good players in the majors. It happens quite often actually.

 

Because it never seems to happen for us. Every once in a while we see some irrelevant dude like Donnie Murphy play out of his mind for a few months, but almost never do our marginal players develop legit, solid careers, which is what consistently happens in St. Louis.

Yes, I think this is what it is.

 

Now I'm going to waste time trying to figure out the last time a generally untouted guy turned into a legitimate thing for the Cubs for more than a month or so.

 

ETA: I guess you could pretty easily make the case Arrieta would qualify, actually.

[Burt Macklin, FBI]

I feel pretty good about most of the pitching matchups. 3/4 would go a long ways considering the insane SoS the giants have the rest of the way...

[mul21]

chris heston is a 27 y/o 12th rounder rookie? ugh

 

I don't get why you guys are so caught up in things like this. Some players/pitchers aren't championed in the minors and can develop into really good players in the majors. It happens quite often actually.

 

Because it never seems to happen for us. Every once in a while we see some irrelevant dude like Donnie Murphy play out of his mind for a few months, but almost never do our marginal players develop legit, solid careers, which is what consistently happens in St. Louis.

Yes, I think this is what it is.

 

Now I'm going to waste time trying to figure out the last time a generally untouted guy turned into a legitimate thing for the Cubs for more than a month or so.

 

ETA: I guess you could pretty easily make the case Arrieta would qualify, actually.

 

Theriot and Hendricks come to mind. The biggest problem is that the Cubs haven't developed many of their own players over the years.

[Sammy Sofa]

Randy Wells seems relatively appropriate to bring up.

[Guest]

Carlos Marmol

Rule five pick Hector Rondon becoming an impact reliever

[Guest]

Starlin Castro was like a nothing IFA signing iirc

[Guest]

Starlin Castro was like a nothing IFA signing iirc

 

He was a pretty well regarded prospect almost instantly upon playing in the states though.

 

 

The reason you see frustration at guys like Heston is that baseball is a game of failure. Every team loses 50, probably 60 games, every hitter makes a majority of outs, etc. That extends to player development, where the assumption is failure or underperformance. When you see a team you hope does poorly buck that trend, and do it consistently(Heston, Crawford, and Duffy for the Giants, a list too long to mention for the Cardinals), it's aggravating. Especially when you have far fewer or no similar successes with your own team to celebrate.

[DiamondMind]

You nailed it.

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oh my goodness yes

[MarkMero23]

chris heston is a 27 y/o 12th rounder rookie? ugh

 

I don't get why you guys are so caught up in things like this. Some players/pitchers aren't championed in the minors and can develop into really good players in the majors. It happens quite often actually.

 

Because it never seems to happen for us. Every once in a while we see some irrelevant dude like Donnie Murphy play out of his mind for a few months, but almost never do our marginal players develop legit, solid careers, which is what consistently happens in St. Louis.

 

Jake Arietta went from god awful to one of the top 5-10 pitchers in baseball.

[UMFan83]

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oh my goodness yes

 

Man he is so old. I remember him starting games against us down the stretch in 2003

[ARCubsFan]

chris heston is a 27 y/o 12th rounder rookie? ugh

 

I don't get why you guys are so caught up in things like this. Some players/pitchers aren't championed in the minors and can develop into really good players in the majors. It happens quite often actually.

 

Because it never seems to happen for us. Every once in a while we see some irrelevant dude like Donnie Murphy play out of his mind for a few months, but almost never do our marginal players develop legit, solid careers, which is what consistently happens in St. Louis.

 

Jake Arietta went from god awful to one of the top 5-10 pitchers in baseball.

Arrieta was always considered a top prospect with potential ace stuff. Same thing could be said for Jacob Turner but that one isn't working out obviously. Just luck of the draw really.

[NOLA]

Vogelsong last seen giving up that walk-off HR in extra innings at Atlanta.

[JonJayCutler]

chris heston is a 27 y/o 12th rounder rookie? ugh

 

I don't get why you guys are so caught up in things like this. Some players/pitchers aren't championed in the minors and can develop into really good players in the majors. It happens quite often actually.

 

Because it never seems to happen for us. Every once in a while we see some irrelevant dude like Donnie Murphy play out of his mind for a few months, but almost never do our marginal players develop legit, solid careers, which is what consistently happens in St. Louis.

 

Jake Arietta went from god awful to one of the top 5-10 pitchers in baseball.

 

5th round draft pick and the #4 prospect for Baltimore two years in a row in what was, at the time, a really good farm system. He just really figured it out with the Cubs, is all. Sure, very few probably thought he'd be this good, but he was never unknown or devoid of talent.

[ARCubsFan]

Giants have always had one of the worst farm systems in baseball and Heston never once cracked their top 20(!)

[Agony and Ivy]

What the Giants do so well is find position guys like Panik who will never profile as a great player but in this case have elite contact skills. They'll never be sexy prospects but they do at least one non sexy thing incredibly well. Heston is the same but it's the profile of a sinker baller that will never post huge strikeout numbers or blow you away with velocity but has substantial heavy sink and a good slider. It will never jump out at scouts but the skills are solid. I just hope he has one of his games where he leaves pitches up because he gets shelled when he does.

[halplm]

As both a Giants and Cubs fan, I must say I hope the Cubs sweep this series. Right now it's Adv. Cubs... Don't have to face Bumgarner, Vogelsong tomorrow, Buster is sitting out tonight, and Panik is on the DL. People around here are going nuts about the Duffy vs. Bryant race for best rookie. Should be fun to watch.

[DiamondMind]

3-2 Cubs

[Guest]

chris heston is a 27 y/o 12th rounder rookie? ugh

 

I don't get why you guys are so caught up in things like this. Some players/pitchers aren't championed in the minors and can develop into really good players in the majors. It happens quite often actually.

 

Because it never seems to happen for us. Every once in a while we see some irrelevant dude like Donnie Murphy play out of his mind for a few months, but almost never do our marginal players develop legit, solid careers, which is what consistently happens in St. Louis.

Yes, I think this is what it is.

 

Now I'm going to waste time trying to figure out the last time a generally untouted guy turned into a legitimate thing for the Cubs for more than a month or so.

 

ETA: I guess you could pretty easily make the case Arrieta would qualify, actually.

Josh Donaldson, duh (not with the Cubs)

[DiamondMind]

Hunter Pence is a special human.

[DiamondMind]

phew

[Fred Hornkohl]

CUBS are 49-29 (.628) when they don't allow any first inning runs.... 9-19 (.321) when they do

 

 

 

Go CUBS !!

[DiamondMind]

Everything Schwarber hits is hard. His fouls and outs are even scalded.

 

great AB

[Fred Hornkohl]

CUBS are 56-46 (.549) when they draw 1 or more walks.... 2-2 (.500) when they don't

 

 

Go CUBS !!

[DiamondMind]

damn