2015 NFL Draft

[jersey cubs fan]

Yep, zero qb with high ceilings in this draft.

[Butterscup1679666578]

i guess my hopes of DGB having a meh combine and the bears picking him in the 3rd/4th round are shattered

[cbbryan]

BTW, my nephew recorded the best 40 and vertical of all the TEs at the combine today.

 

Video should be running at your house come draft time, just in case he's picked by the Bears.

[dew1679666265]

I meant after Mariotta and Winston, the pickings are pretty slim on high-ceiling talent at the position this year.

 

Ah, I see. While I agree the dropoff is considerable after the top 2, I don't think the problem is lack of ceiling. Guys like Petty, Sims, Grayson, Hundley, Bridge and maybe even Halliday are high upside guys, they just have all kinds of other question marks.

[rawaction]

To go along with his off the field issues Winston has shown a lack of arm strength in the combine and ran an unimpressive 40 time. Maybe he was injured which hurt his workouts but I wouldn't be shocked to see his stock drop in the draft.

 

What the hell were u watching? Jameis was excellent all day today.

[Derwood]

To go along with his off the field issues Winston has shown a lack of arm strength in the combine and ran an unimpressive 40 time. Maybe he was injured which hurt his workouts but I wouldn't be shocked to see his stock drop in the draft.

 

What the hell were u watching? Jameis was excellent all day today.

 

28 inch vertical and a 4.98 40 was "excellent"?

[Guest]

To go along with his off the field issues Winston has shown a lack of arm strength in the combine and ran an unimpressive 40 time. Maybe he was injured which hurt his workouts but I wouldn't be shocked to see his stock drop in the draft.

 

What the hell were u watching? Jameis was excellent all day today.

 

28 inch vertical and a 4.98 40 was "excellent"?

 

There are actual passing drills at the Combine and Winston was fantastic at those. Unless you think Winston's ability to run in a straight line for 40 yards and jump in the same spot are more important, raw is completely right. Winston clinched himself as the #1 pick today (unless he does something dumb off the field again).

[Guest]

BTW, my nephew recorded the best 40 and vertical of all the TEs at the combine today.

 

I've found myself rooting for the Bears to draft MyCole just because of you.

 

Looks like he was the headline photo on NFL.com yesterday:

 

[KrisBryantisaBeast]

Here's the article on Jameis shoulder concerns. http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12354148&src=desktop

[Warpticon]

I meant after Mariotta and Winston, the pickings are pretty slim on high-ceiling talent at the position this year.

 

Ah, I see. While I agree the dropoff is considerable after the top 2, I don't think the problem is lack of ceiling. Guys like Petty, Sims, Grayson, Hundley, Bridge and maybe even Halliday are high upside guys, they just have all kinds of other question marks.

 

I don't like any of those guys anywhere near as much as I like the 2nd and after picks from the last 3 or 4 drafts, aside from 2013.

 

2014 had Jimmy Garropolo and Derek Carr. 2012 had Brock Osweiler, Russell Wilson, and Nick Foles. 2011 had Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, and Ryan Mallett. I liked all of those guys coming out in terms of high-end projectability a lot more than any of this year's QBs outside of the top 2. Hundley is the closest, but I'm not sold on him entirely.

[Guest]

I meant after Mariotta and Winston, the pickings are pretty slim on high-ceiling talent at the position this year.

 

Ah, I see. While I agree the dropoff is considerable after the top 2, I don't think the problem is lack of ceiling. Guys like Petty, Sims, Grayson, Hundley, Bridge and maybe even Halliday are high upside guys, they just have all kinds of other question marks.

 

I don't like any of those guys anywhere near as much as I like the 2nd and after picks from the last 3 or 4 drafts, aside from 2013.

 

2014 had Jimmy Garropolo and Derek Carr. 2012 had Brock Osweiler, Russell Wilson, and Nick Foles. 2011 had Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, and Ryan Mallett. I liked all of those guys coming out in terms of high-end projectability a lot more than any of this year's QBs outside of the top 2. Hundley is the closest, but I'm not sold on him entirely.

 

Hundley needs coaching/improvement on certain things (probably the biggest thing is what to do when the pocket breaks down) but he certainly he's got as high a ceiling as the guys you mentioned.

[rawaction]

To go along with his off the field issues Winston has shown a lack of arm strength in the combine and ran an unimpressive 40 time. Maybe he was injured which hurt his workouts but I wouldn't be shocked to see his stock drop in the draft.

 

What the hell were u watching? Jameis was excellent all day today.

 

28 inch vertical and a 4.98 40 was "excellent"?

 

There are actual passing drills at the Combine and Winston was fantastic at those. Unless you think Winston's ability to run in a straight line for 40 yards and jump in the same spot are more important, raw is completely right. Winston clinched himself as the #1 pick today (unless he does something dumb off the field again).

 

Exactly. I was responding to lack of arm strength, which is an absolute joke. He had the best and most accurate arm out there yesterday. I don't give 2 shits about his 40 or vertical. He's not a scrambling QB. He's a pocket guy.

[dew1679666265]

Here's the article on Jameis shoulder concerns. http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12354148&src=desktop

 

From everything I've heard, there's no real concern over that. I'd say it'll be one of those things that get overanalyzed, detractors use it to add concern, supporters will ignore and ultimately it'll mean nothing.

 

Didn't show any signs whatsoever of issues yesterday.

[dew1679666265]

I don't like any of those guys anywhere near as much as I like the 2nd and after picks from the last 3 or 4 drafts, aside from 2013.

 

2014 had Jimmy Garropolo and Derek Carr. 2012 had Brock Osweiler, Russell Wilson, and Nick Foles. 2011 had Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, and Ryan Mallett. I liked all of those guys coming out in terms of high-end projectability a lot more than any of this year's QBs outside of the top 2. Hundley is the closest, but I'm not sold on him entirely.

 

I definitely agree that 2014 was better depth-wise, but I like a lot of the guys available this year around as much as the guys in the 2012 and 2011 classes.

 

I was just pointing out that there are high upside guys in this draft, not really saying that this is a deeper class than previous years.

[RynoRules]

Kevin White's ascent could make it much easier for the Bears to find a trade partner. No. 7 increases in value if either the or Cooper fall that far.

[OleMissCub]

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2015-02-21/jameis-winston-nfl-combine-draft-comparison-peyton-manning-40-time-stock-first-pick-florida-state-quarterback-wonderlic

 

Jameis Winston is making doubters doubt their own doubt. The Florida State quarterback has impressed scouts, coaches and media this weekend on and off the field at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis about as much as he could have.

 

Few — if any, at this point — knock the 21-year-old for his ability to play the position. Some scouts even consider Winston's football IQ to be as strong as that of Peyton Manning, perhaps the smartest NFL quarterback of all time, according to Bleacher Report's Mike Freeman.

 

"There was a moment where we kind of looked at each other and said, 'Oh, okay, wow,'" one scout told Freeman regarding the reaction to Winston's "knowledge of X's and O's."

 

"He's probably the smartest player I've ever interviewed," an undisclosed team personnel man said, according to Freeman. "Football IQ as good as I've ever seen."

[rawaction]

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2015-02-21/jameis-winston-nfl-combine-draft-comparison-peyton-manning-40-time-stock-first-pick-florida-state-quarterback-wonderlic

 

Jameis Winston is making doubters doubt their own doubt. The Florida State quarterback has impressed scouts, coaches and media this weekend on and off the field at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis about as much as he could have.

 

Few — if any, at this point — knock the 21-year-old for his ability to play the position. Some scouts even consider Winston's football IQ to be as strong as that of Peyton Manning, perhaps the smartest NFL quarterback of all time, according to Bleacher Report's Mike Freeman.

 

"There was a moment where we kind of looked at each other and said, 'Oh, okay, wow,'" one scout told Freeman regarding the reaction to Winston's "knowledge of X's and O's."

 

"He's probably the smartest player I've ever interviewed," an undisclosed team personnel man said, according to Freeman. "Football IQ as good as I've ever seen."

 

But he stole some crab legs!!!!!

[Guest]

But he stole some crab legs!!!!!

That's a rather large oversimplification.

[OleMissCub]

When investing tens of millions of dollars and the future of a franchise in a player, his off the field IQ is just a crucial as on the field IQ.

[Proven Veteran]

Why did he throw so many picks this year?

[Guest]

Why did he throw so many picks this year?

 

That's got to be the #1 on-field question for him. He has great pocket awareness, is normally very accurate and has a good football IQ and yet, he threw a ton of picks last season. I know some of them can be blamed on his receivers but you can't possibly explain away all of them like that.

 

Of course I thought Matt Ryan was going to be a bust because of his high interception totals and I definitely was wrong there so maybe you can't just judge on things like that. (Admittedly Matt Ryan played with far inferior college talent around him than Jameis did.)

[KrisBryantisaBeast]

I really do hope him and Mariotti are off the board by the time the Bears pick at 7. That leaves only 5 teams we would have to worry about taking the defensive player of our choosing.

[KrisBryantisaBeast]

But he stole some crab legs!!!!!

That's a rather large oversimplification.

 

Yeah let's not forget the girl he probably raped.

[rawaction]

Why did he throw so many picks this year?

 

That's got to be the #1 on-field question for him. He has great pocket awareness, is normally very accurate and has a good football IQ and yet, he threw a ton of picks last season. I know some of them can be blamed on his receivers but you can't possibly explain away all of them like that.

 

Of course I thought Matt Ryan was going to be a bust because of his high interception totals and I definitely was wrong there so maybe you can't just judge on things like that. (Admittedly Matt Ryan played with far inferior college talent around him than Jameis did.)

 

His WRs were really bad this year. He had basically Greene and a TE. And Greene is physically one of the weakest WRs in this draft. His WRs didn't fight for anything. But overall, he has a problem with LBs running underneath routes. I think he understands offense much more than he understands defense at this point.

[rawaction]

But he stole some crab legs!!!!!

That's a rather large oversimplification.

 

Yeah let's not forget the girl he probably raped.

 

Probably? Based on what? And it's not like a franchise QB hasn't had a rape claim against him. Everything else is just immaturity. The crab leg thing isn't even stealing either.