2015 Bears Offseason (Foxy new Head Coach page 104)

[jersey cubs fan]

So what's the metric to determine how he does? Just WL?

 

Over a multi-year period, that is all that matters, at least after the first year. Win totals should go up and if they do not, you aren't doing a good job as a GM.

 

 

 

 

It's not that complicated.

[Guest]

JMO, but I think one single event changes the Emery/Trestman decision which is the Kromer situation. But that single event didn't really change the actual dysfunction that was going on and should have been obvious. Some context is going to be necessary in some regards. I don't see much evidence Phillips understands any of that context.

 

I guess we're starting from such a low WL record we could have incremental improvement each year and still be missing the playoff 4 years from now. Win totals are still going up even if we're missing the PO still. But I'm sure the pressure will be intense 4 years from now even if we're making progress. If it's up and down- who knows.

[jersey cubs fan]

JMO, but I think one single event changes the Emery/Trestman decision which is the Kromer situation. But that single event didn't really change the actual dysfunction that was going on and should have been obvious. Some context is going to be necessary in some regards. I don't see much evidence Phillips understands any of that context.

 

I guess we're starting from such a low WL record we could have incremental improvement each year and still be missing the playoff 4 years from now. Win totals are still going up even if we're missing the PO still. But I'm sure the pressure will be intense 4 years from now even if we're making progress. If it's up and down- who knows.

 

I feel like you are over thinking this.

[Banedon]

Adam Hoge ‏@AdamHoge 12m12 minutes ago

Ted Phillips, with a laugh: “You all have convinced me I’m not a football guy.”

 

This made me laugh.

[Guest]

Probably. I don't want to come off too meatbally about Phillips because I don't believe Pace is going to blow personnel decisions just due to Phillips presence but if he's so detached anyways from it all maybe he should just be formally moved over and have McCaskey just be in charge of hiring/firing the GM- using consultants like Accorsi when necessary.

[UMFan83]

Probably. I don't want to come off too meatbally about Phillips because I don't believe Pace is going to blow personnel decisions just due to Phillips presence but if he's so detached anyways from it all maybe he should just be formally moved over and have McCaskey just be in charge of hiring/firing the GM- using consultants like Accorsi when necessary.

 

He should, but it obviously seems like he doesn't want to cede that. He went out of his way to define the org structure ahead of Pace today, and there are rumors that Ballard was more concerned about who was ahead of him than Pace was followed by a maybe coincidental shift from Ballard being the heavy favorite to Pace being hired.

[Guest]

I'd feel better about Phillips if most indications pre-Kromer weren't that Trestman and Emery were still safe. Definitely possible he's just a yes-man anyways to George and I should feel all this discomfort directly towards George but this just keeps another fall guy for him if that's the case.

[Banedon]

Seriously, quit worrying about Phillips. He's done with the football side. He's the Bears' Crane Kenney.

[jersey cubs fan]

Probably. I don't want to come off too meatbally about Phillips because I don't believe Pace is going to blow personnel decisions just due to Phillips presence but if he's so detached anyways from it all maybe he should just be formally moved over and have McCaskey just be in charge of hiring/firing the GM- using consultants like Accorsi when necessary.

 

He should, but it obviously seems like he doesn't want to cede that. He went out of his way to define the org structure ahead of Pace today, and there are rumors that Ballard was more concerned about who was ahead of him than Pace was followed by a maybe coincidental shift from Ballard being the heavy favorite to Pace being hired.

 

It's not about Ted ceding anything.

 

McCaskey wants Ted to be the CEO, so he is the CEO.

[Guest]

Brad Biggs ‏@BradBiggs 55s56 seconds ago

#Bears have requested permission to interview #Lions DC Teryl Austin for head coaching position.

[Guest]

Seriously, quit worrying about Phillips. He's done with the football side. He's the Bears' Crane Kenney.

That's not true based on what we heard today. Phillips role is unchanged.

[Sammy Sofa]

Seriously, quit worrying about Phillips. He's done with the football side. He's the Bears' Crane Kenney.

That's not true based on what we heard today. Phillips role is unchanged.

 

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[Guest]

Briggs on ESPN. Apparently Trestman did away with team captains this year, tried to do it his first year but Briggs, Peanut, and Garza fought to keep the year one

there were rotating captains each game, right?

That's what Briggs said. Don't remember hearing it before this... Just weird

 

Oh I remember. They made a big deal about who went out for the coin toss each game.

 

Subtly a pretty bad move if it even remotely matters at all (debatable). No accountability was kind of a theme for this year. I don't know if nobody felt like a leader (or felt like they had a leader) because of lack of captains.

 

I thought I read the Packers also do revolving captains.

[UMFan83]

Brad Biggs

@BradBiggs

Waiting to see if something materializes between #Bears GM Ryan Pace and Doug Marrone. One source described Pace as "very close" to Marrone.

[Banedon]

Seriously, quit worrying about Phillips. He's done with the football side. He's the Bears' Crane Kenney.

That's not true based on what we heard today. Phillips role is unchanged.

 

Then you didn't listen.

 

Pace on the radio...he's in charge of all football decisions, doesn't have to run things through Ted.

 

670 The Score @670TheScore

Ted Phillips said Ryan Pace can structure the department, build a staff as he desires. "He has total control over the football operations."

 

Adam Hoge ‏@AdamHoge 12m12 minutes ago

Ted Phillips, with a laugh: “You all have convinced me I’m not a football guy.”

 

Yes...technically Phillips is Pace's superior...but Ted will be uninvolved with football ops.

[Guest]

That's what he was before. If you wanna compare him to Crane, who served only two years as fully president during an ownership transition and never made a baseball ops hire... Go right ahead, but he isn't Crane. He is like most presidents and has 16 or so years on the job that leave me pretty underwhelmed on results. Certainly very unhappy with the latter half of that time.

[Guest]

http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/photo-gallery/Pace-Day-One/a7e4e4cc-7963-4fd7-9865-203cfc740fd1

 

Some behind the scenes photos from today

[Banedon]

That's what he was before. If you wanna compare him to Crane, who served only two years as fully president during an ownership transition and never made a baseball ops hire... Go right ahead, but he isn't Crane. He is like most presidents and has 16 or so years on the job that leave me pretty underwhelmed on results. Certainly very unhappy with the latter half of that time.

 

I don't know what you want here. I'm comparing him to Crane because both were guys that were in full president mode, and now both are relegated to the business side of things. The point is, Pace has full control of the on field product. Accorsi and McCaskey were just as involved as Phillips in this, and Pace was apparently Accorsi's recommendation. There is nothing to fear from Phillips at this point.

 

What are you afraid of?

[Splendid Splinter]

That's what he was before. If you wanna compare him to Crane, who served only two years as fully president during an ownership transition and never made a baseball ops hire... Go right ahead, but he isn't Crane. He is like most presidents and has 16 or so years on the job that leave me pretty underwhelmed on results. Certainly very unhappy with the latter half of that time.

 

Pretty sure Emery had to get the permission/ok from Ted on some of things that he did. I want to say a reporter/someone or an article said that. It sounds like now Pace doesn't even have to talk to Ted about the things he wants to do.

[Guest]

I think we're looking at Phillips role during Angelo's and Emerys tenure differently then.

 

I'm afraid of the next 7 years looking like the past 7, In simplest terms.

[Banedon]

I think we're looking at Phillips role during Angelo's and Emerys tenure differently then.

 

I'm afraid of the next 7 years looking like the past 7, In simplest terms.

 

And in the simplest terms, we already know that it's different. Because Phillips had influence on football operations during those tenures, and now he does not.

[Guest]

That's what he was before. If you wanna compare him to Crane, who served only two years as fully president during an ownership transition and never made a baseball ops hire... Go right ahead, but he isn't Crane. He is like most presidents and has 16 or so years on the job that leave me pretty underwhelmed on results. Certainly very unhappy with the latter half of that time.

 

Pretty sure Emery had to get the permission/ok from Ted on some of things that he did. I want to say a reporter/someone or an article said that. It sounds like now Pace doesn't even have to talk to Ted about the things he wants to do.

The only things I'm aware of is things that increased budget like hiring an analytics guy and adding a few extra scouts. If there's an actual player decision Emery had to actually clear I guess I'll retract. I know there's also the coach part, where Angelo and Emery had to inherent though the circumstances are a bit different as well.

[RynoRules]

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[Guest]

Because Phillips had influence on football operations during those tenures, and now he does not.

Well this is the crux of our disagreement. Not what his role is now.

 

Well I'm sure he'll have some influence, even Pace said he'd look for guidance on certain things, but to me you are overstating any change in Phillips role.

[Sammy Sofa]

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