Week 12: Bears (4-6) vs. LSB (2-8) Noon FOX/780

[rawaction]

Yeah, that's an issue. But I'm proposing Trestman for the long-term, or at least as long as the Bears are "stuck" with Cutler, which is 2 more years at least to avoid cap hell, and if all goes well, obviously he and Trestman are here for the duration of Cutler's career.

 

I think the bigger issue is that Trestman has no ties to any prospective good DCs. DCs usually get hired by coaches they've coached with or known for years. Either that or they are promoted position coaches on the same team. Plus, because Trestman and Emery are older, I think they will be more apt to go after another older guy instead of a young up-and-comer.

 

I'm willing to give Trestman 1 more year because of last year's record breaking season and this year's stats which look good other than points. But if they are even thinking about getting rid of Cutler, then everybody probably needs to go then. I don't know why you keep Trestman and give him a lesser QB when he couldn't win with Cutler. I don't know why you keep Emery if he couldn't hire a coach to win games with his franchise QB.

 

I wouldn't necessarily call Cutler "Emery's francise QB". Emery gave him an extension that was relatively team friendly but he inherited Cutler and I am pretty sure he would never go out and choose Cutler as his guy under different circumstances.

 

Personally I would just hire a real NFL GM, HC and staff, let them fart around with Cutler for a year as they get their roster set-up and look for their own QB. As soon as Cutler can be released in a financially viable manner. If you want to keep Trestman around to babysit on the way out the door you can, but that's just a waste of time in my opinion.

 

I agree with the 1st paragraph. But when he gave him that contract, he locked into 3 years of Cutler or a complete rebuild after 1 year. Obviously, he felt good enough about Cutler to give him those 3 years guaranteed.

 

It's a waste of time if you don't feel Cutler is the guy, but honestly what has Cutler done to show he's NOT the guy? He's been Cutler. He turns the ball over. He shouldn't, but that's the same guy Emery signed 9 months ago.

 

I am on record of saying I would have franchised Cutler for this year, and this is the precise reason why. Flexibility. To find a new QB, to find a real NFL caliber coach. I'm ok with the contract Cutler got, but I think Emery has to be too. He made his bed, so to speak. I don't think you can start over just yet when the defense is still a disaster.

[rawaction]

Lovie wasn't a good coach either. He was just very good at what he did (defense). If Trestman can get the offense to play like it did last year and most of last week, then he has value.

 

For some non-elite QBs that have some OC/HC stability and some success, Eli Manning has 2 rings out of his stability, Romo/Garrett haven't won a bunch but have always had a great offense (and Garrett is a terrible coach), Dalton/Lewis, Big Ben/Tomlin.

 

I just think it's more likely to have success with the Trestman/Cutler combo in the forseeable future than it is to start all over again with a new coach and/or QB.

 

Lovie also got his players to play hard, something Trestman is incapable of doing. Trestman's offense took a big step back this year. It isn't comparable to Lovie's defense.

 

All you're doing is delaying the inevitable and praying for a miracle. If the cap situation is such that they have no choice to do it, whatever, but there is no point in pretending stability is the problem with the Bears.

 

 

They have a shaky at best GM running the team, an inept coaching staff, a terrible defense and their QB isn't anywhere good enough to make up for all the other weaknesses.

 

Yeah, that's exactly what you are doing. Praying for a miracle. But that miracle is more likely than the same shaky GM picking another coach and QB, the latter of which would easily be a less talented player.

 

And I never said stability was THE problem. I said there is some value to it. And I believe there's more value to it than starting over, when you have the same guy starting it over. You sound like you expect Emery to go down with the ship this year, and we both know good and wel that isn't going to happen. The next coach and QB would be his hire again.

[jersey cubs fan]

It's a waste of time if you don't feel Cutler is the guy, but honestly what has Cutler done to show he's NOT the guy? He's been Cutler. He turns the ball over. He shouldn't, but that's the same guy Emery signed 9 months ago.

 

I am on record of saying I would have franchised Cutler for this year, and this is the precise reason why. Flexibility. To find a new QB, to find a real NFL caliber coach. I'm ok with the contract Cutler got, but I think Emery has to be too. He made his bed, so to speak. I don't think you can start over just yet when the defense is still a disaster.

 

I don't get how you can ask that question about Cutler. He has stabilized the QB position like no prior Bears QB has ever come close to doing. But he's done that by basically being average. Winning with an average QB is possible with a great team but this team isn't going to be great with Emery and Trestman around.

 

And I really have no idea what your last sentence means. The defense is no better and the offense isn't near good enough. That is as good a reason as any to start over.

 

And they should start over with a real NFL GM this time.

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't think any smart fan is ready to walk away from Cutler within the next two years but believe one more new system shouldn't impact those two years much. If you do keep Trestman and we fail to improve again then you're definitely in an awkward one year dead period with Cutler and probably a lot of the offense.

 

 

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[jersey cubs fan]

You sound like you expect Emery to go down with the ship this year, and we both know good and wel that isn't going to happen. The next coach and QB would be his hire again.

 

I don't know why it should. The team has regressed for quite a while. Maybe the McCaskey's will see the ridiculously long leash that Epstein got and knowing their cash flow isn't a problem they will feel comfortable with the status quo. But that is just further delaying the inevitable.

 

I want an overhaul.

[WrigleyField 22]

You sound like you expect Emery to go down with the ship this year, and we both know good and wel that isn't going to happen. The next coach and QB would be his hire again.

 

I don't know why it should. The team has regressed for quite a while. Maybe the McCaskey's will see the ridiculously long leash that Epstein got and knowing their cash flow isn't a problem they will feel comfortable with the status quo. But that is just further delaying the inevitable.

 

I want an overhaul.

Just curious, does your overhaul stop at Emery? If you're decided to can Emery the ax needs to cut a little deeper still.

 

 

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[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think any smart fan is ready to walk away from Cutler within the next two years but believe one more new system shouldn't impact those two years much. If you do keep Trestman and we fail to improve again then you're definitely in an awkward one year dead period with Cutler and probably a lot of the offense.

 

I don't have a problem with Cutler per se, but they aren't winning with him because they aren't winning with Trestman and they aren't winning with Emery.

[WrigleyField 22]

In order of preference I'd rather have:

Emery hire a new coach and pick the next QB

Trestman hire a new DC and groom the next QB

Phillips hire a new GM.

 

If the ax can go up to Phillips (or he can at least be reallocated) I would welcome the full overhaul and put that first on my list.

 

 

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[jersey cubs fan]

You sound like you expect Emery to go down with the ship this year, and we both know good and wel that isn't going to happen. The next coach and QB would be his hire again.

 

I don't know why it should. The team has regressed for quite a while. Maybe the McCaskey's will see the ridiculously long leash that Epstein got and knowing their cash flow isn't a problem they will feel comfortable with the status quo. But that is just further delaying the inevitable.

 

I want an overhaul.

Just curious, does your overhaul stop at Emery? If you're decided to can Emery the ax needs to cut a little deeper still.

 

I would dump Phillips but do not think that is necessarily necessary for football improvement purposes.

[WrigleyField 22]

You sound like you expect Emery to go down with the ship this year, and we both know good and wel that isn't going to happen. The next coach and QB would be his hire again.

 

I don't know why it should. The team has regressed for quite a while. Maybe the McCaskey's will see the ridiculously long leash that Epstein got and knowing their cash flow isn't a problem they will feel comfortable with the status quo. But that is just further delaying the inevitable.

 

I want an overhaul.

Just curious, does your overhaul stop at Emery? If you're decided to can Emery the ax needs to cut a little deeper still.

 

I would dump Phillips but do not think that is necessarily necessary for football improvement purposes.

While Phillips obviously doesn't make football decisions he has to hire someone who does, in a field where the candidates have way less publically available information and which he really doesn't seem to be tuned into the insider circle.

 

I'd be very nervous that Phillips next GM is worse than Emery. More so than being worried that Emery's next coach being worse than Trestman.

 

Also raw's stability argument holds more weight at the GM level IMO. (And obviously even more at Pres/ownership level but again that's really the only true fresh slate).

 

 

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[Brian707]

You sound like you expect Emery to go down with the ship this year, and we both know good and wel that isn't going to happen. The next coach and QB would be his hire again.

 

I don't know why it should. The team has regressed for quite a while. Maybe the McCaskey's will see the ridiculously long leash that Epstein got and knowing their cash flow isn't a problem they will feel comfortable with the status quo. But that is just further delaying the inevitable.

 

I want an overhaul.

Just curious, does your overhaul stop at Emery? If you're decided to can Emery the ax needs to cut a little deeper still.

 

I would dump Phillips but do not think that is necessarily necessary for football improvement purposes.

 

 

They should do with Phillips what the Cubs did with Crane Kenny.

 

Add me to the camp that wants a full overhaul, its a lot quicker turnaround than in baseball. I just wish the Bears would have rebuilt the offense around 2009 when Cutler got here and the defense was still good.

[jersey cubs fan]

You sound like you expect Emery to go down with the ship this year, and we both know good and wel that isn't going to happen. The next coach and QB would be his hire again.

 

I don't know why it should. The team has regressed for quite a while. Maybe the McCaskey's will see the ridiculously long leash that Epstein got and knowing their cash flow isn't a problem they will feel comfortable with the status quo. But that is just further delaying the inevitable.

 

I want an overhaul.

Just curious, does your overhaul stop at Emery? If you're decided to can Emery the ax needs to cut a little deeper still.

 

I would dump Phillips but do not think that is necessarily necessary for football improvement purposes.

While Phillips obviously doesn't make football decisions he has to hire someone who does, in a field where the candidates have way less publically available information and which he really doesn't seem to be tuned into the insider circle.

 

I'd be very nervous that Phillips next GM is worse than Emery. More so than being worried that Emery's next coach being worse than Trestman.

 

Also raw's stability argument holds more weight at the GM level IMO. (And obviously even more at Pres/ownership level but again that's really the only true fresh slate).

 

I just hope George has made enough connects across the league to positively influence the next search.

[WrigleyField 22]

I just hope George has made enough connects across the league to positively influence the next search.

Not sure but I'd also expect that if a new pres of football ops is brought in it will be one with a very established record at either the coaching level or executive level. If Phillips has to choose another GM it's likely just him sorting through the endless candidates with "director of" titles and no GM experience. Seems like a toss up as to what he may find.

 

A search for a president would be a smaller field where you can probably even pluck a lateral candidate (similar to a Theo situation).

 

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[Banedon]

Jeff Dickerson @ESPNChiBears Trestman tells us #Bears have made tweaks since bye week to allow Cutler to change his passing point. Moving around.

 

Jeff Dickerson @ESPNChiBears Cutler wants to keep moving around and outside the pocket. Thought it worked well last week vs. #Vikings.

[WrigleyField 22]

Presumably he counted GB as a bye week right?

 

 

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[Guest]

Presumably he counted GB as a bye week right?

 

 

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no, that was the week that [expletive] defense couldn't get a single stop in the entire [expletive] game.

[Guest]

Presumably he counted GB as a bye week right?

 

 

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no, that was the week that [expletive] defense couldn't get a single stop in the entire [expletive] game.

 

That was also the same week that Cutler had half a dozen passes knocked down or whacked someone in the helmet. I agree that they lost because of defense, but it's a bit troublesome to hear they spent a bunch of time during the break working on creating better passing lanes for Cutler, only to have him be even less effective than he was previously.

 

Hopefully it's just refining what they worked on so that they can be better going forward.

[Guest]

Presumably he counted GB as a bye week right?

 

 

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no, that was the week that [expletive] defense couldn't get a single stop in the entire [expletive] game.

 

That was also the same week that Cutler had half a dozen passes knocked down or whacked someone in the helmet. I agree that they lost because of defense, but it's a bit troublesome to hear they spent a bunch of time during the break working on creating better passing lanes for Cutler, only to have him be even less effective than he was previously.

 

Hopefully it's just refining what they worked on so that they can be better going forward.

You can't put that much pressure on the offense, they have to have a margin for error. When you can't get your offense field position or stop the other team from kicking off after every possession, the offense can't be blamed at all for what happens.

[jersey cubs fan]

You can't put that much pressure on the offense, they have to have a margin for error. When you can't get your offense field position or stop the other team from kicking off after every possession, the offense can't be blamed at all for what happens.

 

That pressure to perform excuse does not hold in the Green Bay game. They crapped the bed.

[Guest]

You can't evaluate the offense by the packer game. At all. They had two fair possessions where they didn't have to press.

[Guest]

You can't put that much pressure on the offense, they have to have a margin for error. When you can't get your offense field position or stop the other team from kicking off after every possession, the offense can't be blamed at all for what happens.

 

That pressure to perform excuse does not hold in the Green Bay game. They crapped the bed.

sure. "Oh yeah, you guys have to score a touchdown every time we get the ball,, ok? And all of their players are pinning their ears back and coming for you, Jay. Good luck."

[jersey cubs fan]

You can't evaluate the offense by the packer game. At all. They had two fair possessions where they didn't have to press.

 

Maybe you can't, but sane people should. As well as the rest of the season where they have failed to be anything but average moving the ball and below average scoring.

 

 

The offense has been much worse than it should be and hasn't gotten past 28 yet this year. Minnesota didn't do dick all game long and all the Bears could score without any pressure was 21. They are a massive disappointment.

[JonJayCutler]

Judging by the forecast we'll have this year's version of the 2013 Ravens game.

 

100% chance of rain all day.

[WrigleyField 22]

Even if you want to account for the high stakes pressure the offense was put in, there seemed to be very little of giving Jay different looks. So either he ignored the calls/opportunities or it wasn't really implemented at all.

 

 

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[Guest]

You can't evaluate the offense by the packer game. At all. They had two fair possessions where they didn't have to press.

 

Maybe you can't, but sane people should. As well as the rest of the season where they have failed to be anything but average moving the ball and below average scoring.

 

 

The offense has been much worse than it should be and hasn't gotten past 28 yet this year. Minnesota didn't do dick all game long and all the Bears could score without any pressure was 21. They are a massive disappointment.

The Bears dominated the Vikings game. It was a game they should gave won and they did. The game was terribly coached from a game management standpoint, but the offense kicked ass.