Revisit trading Castro?

[Guest]

If you move Castro off shortstop, he's not super special anyway. He's just a guy that hits pretty well. Baez will be better.

[doschi]

If you move Castro off shortstop, he's not super special anyway. He's just a guy that hits pretty well. Baez will be better.

 

I'm so glad you're not responsible for making any front office decisions.

[Guest]

Qualified players with > .800 OPS last year:

 

C - 4

1B - 13

2B - 4

SS - 1

3B - 6

OF - 20

 

There may be some overlap with multi-position guys, but it makes the point. 15 guys meet that threshold on the top half of the defensive spectrum.

 

[expletive] insane to think that our TEAM OPS was just about .800 in 08.

[toonsterwu]

I am not against the idea of trading Castro, as I've said I fully expect the FO to make a trade at some point, but there's simply no need to trade Castro now, particularly not when he's been slumping a bit. He's still one of the better overall shortstops in the league, not yet in his prime, and on a relatively friendly deal. More importantly, you need a bit of time to see how some the pieces shake out.

[Guest]

If you move Castro off shortstop, he's not super special anyway. He's just a guy that hits pretty well. Baez will be better.

 

I'm so glad you're not responsible for making any front office decisions.

I'm so glad I've never seen you before.

[Guest]

If you move Castro off shortstop, he's not super special anyway. He's just a guy that hits pretty well. Baez will be better.

 

I'm so glad you're not responsible for making any front office decisions.

I'm so glad I've never seen you before.

 

don't mind him, doschi. he's mad because his thread sucks.

[Guest]

I am not against the idea of trading Castro, as I've said I fully expect the FO to make a trade at some point, but there's simply no need to trade Castro now, particularly not when he's been slumping a bit. He's still one of the better overall shortstops in the league, not yet in his prime, and on a relatively friendly deal. More importantly, you need a bit of time to see how some the pieces shake out.

All of that stuff increases his trade value.

[Guest]

If you move Castro off shortstop, he's not super special anyway. He's just a guy that hits pretty well. Baez will be better.

 

I'm so glad you're not responsible for making any front office decisions.

I'm so glad I've never seen you before.

 

don't mind him, doschi. he's mad because his thread sucks.

WHY DO YOU HATE RUSSELL SO MUCH

[Guest]

I mean, if we didn't have Russell then whatever, Castro would be fine.

[Guest]

There is no logjam that trading Castro fixes. Odds are overwhelming that one of the infielders fails and all of a sudden there's room for everyone. But even if you're convinced they all pan out eventually, trading the one that's established now doesn't do anything to help your timeline because now you're even more reliant on the prospects panning out to be good. If you're that worried about the logjam or moving positions ruining positional value, trade one of the prospects for a great outfielder(Stanton's pretty much the only one that makes sense and might be available). Otherwise, just enjoy that we can wait out the attrition and still fill a bunch of holes.

[Guest]

There is no logjam that trading Castro fixes. Odds are overwhelming that one of the infielders fails and all of a sudden there's room for everyone. But even if you're convinced they all pan out eventually, trading the one that's established now doesn't do anything to help your timeline because now you're even more reliant on the prospects panning out to be good. If you're that worried about the logjam or moving positions ruining positional value, trade one of the prospects for a great outfielder(Stanton's pretty much the only one that makes sense and might be available). Otherwise, just enjoy that we can wait out the attrition and still fill a bunch of holes.

 

i think he's just frustrated that castro doesn't have an .800 OPS, because this is a thing that a shortstop making like $48M over the next 6 years should have.

[jersey cubs fan]

There is no logjam that trading Castro fixes. Odds are overwhelming that one of the infielders fails and all of a sudden there's room for everyone. But even if you're convinced they all pan out eventually, trading the one that's established now doesn't do anything to help your timeline because now you're even more reliant on the prospects panning out to be good. If you're that worried about the logjam or moving positions ruining positional value, trade one of the prospects for a great outfielder(Stanton's pretty much the only one that makes sense and might be available). Otherwise, just enjoy that we can wait out the attrition and still fill a bunch of holes.

 

It would make more sense if this was more about a fear that Castro is going to regress again rather than clearing the way for Russell.

[Guest]

There is no logjam that trading Castro fixes. Odds are overwhelming that one of the infielders fails and all of a sudden there's room for everyone. But even if you're convinced they all pan out eventually, trading the one that's established now doesn't do anything to help your timeline because now you're even more reliant on the prospects panning out to be good. If you're that worried about the logjam or moving positions ruining positional value, trade one of the prospects for a great outfielder(Stanton's pretty much the only one that makes sense and might be available). Otherwise, just enjoy that we can wait out the attrition and still fill a bunch of holes.

 

i think he's just frustrated that castro doesn't have an .800 OPS, because this is a thing that a shortstop making like $48M over the next 6 years should have.

I'm not frustrated about anything man. I just think there are better options and Castro could get the Cubs something worthwhile. Trading Castro isn't cutting Castto.

[Guest]

if bryant is deemed to be able to handle 3B (and makes it at the MLB level obviously) and baez and russell both pan out into productive big leaguers, then yes I'd entertain getting another corner outfield bat into the lineup and trading castro (obviously depending on the return, as with any trade, which is why i hate speculating about trades because it's so open ended)...but we're a long ass way away from that.

[bukie]

Who is a more likely option to be a productive major leaguer over the next 5 years? The 3 time all-star under 25 that is already in the majors, or one of the 2 highly rated prospects that are still in the minors? If you answer the prospects, there's a lack of perspective evident.

 

I don't understand why anyone would be in a hurry to get rid of the young productive major leaguers the Cubs already have. What is the end goal here?

[jersey cubs fan]

Who is a more likely option to be a productive major leaguer over the next 5 years? The 3 time all-star under 25 that is already in the majors, or one of the 2 highly rated prospects that are still in the minors? If you answer the prospects, there's a lack of perspective evident.

 

I don't understand why anyone would be in a hurry to get rid of the young productive major leaguers the Cubs already have. What is the end goal here?

 

A state of perpetual rebuilding.

 

 

I think at the bare minimum you have to start 2015 with Castro in the lineup to maximize your chances to be good in 2015 while your prospects are still in Iowa. (with the obvious caveat that any blowaway offer would have to be entertained at any point)

[Guest]

 

I don't understand why anyone would be in a hurry to get rid of the young productive major leaguers the Cubs already have. What is the end goal here?

 

Well, our FO does that and has made the team's prospect of long-term success pretty damn good.

[sneakypower]

There is no logjam that trading Castro fixes. Odds are overwhelming that one of the infielders fails and all of a sudden there's room for everyone. But even if you're convinced they all pan out eventually, trading the one that's established now doesn't do anything to help your timeline because now you're even more reliant on the prospects panning out to be good. If you're that worried about the logjam or moving positions ruining positional value, trade one of the prospects for a great outfielder(Stanton's pretty much the only one that makes sense and might be available). Otherwise, just enjoy that we can wait out the attrition and still fill a bunch of holes.

we're signing a Cuban OF this winter

[Guest]

Who is a more likely option to be a productive major leaguer over the next 5 years? The 3 time all-star under 25 that is already in the majors, or one of the 2 highly rated prospects that are still in the minors? If you answer the prospects, there's a lack of perspective evident.

 

I don't understand why anyone would be in a hurry to get rid of the young productive major leaguers the Cubs already have. What is the end goal here?

 

A state of perpetual rebuilding.

 

 

I think at the bare minimum you have to start 2015 with Castro in the lineup to maximize your chances to be good in 2015 while your prospects are still in Iowa. (with the obvious caveat that any blowaway offer would have to be entertained at any point)

I wouldn't disagree with this. But you also need to discretely find out what you can get.

[Guest]

So if two of Baez, Russell, and Castro get Stanton. Which two do we trade?

[jersey cubs fan]

Who is a more likely option to be a productive major leaguer over the next 5 years? The 3 time all-star under 25 that is already in the majors, or one of the 2 highly rated prospects that are still in the minors? If you answer the prospects, there's a lack of perspective evident.

 

I don't understand why anyone would be in a hurry to get rid of the young productive major leaguers the Cubs already have. What is the end goal here?

 

A state of perpetual rebuilding.

 

 

I think at the bare minimum you have to start 2015 with Castro in the lineup to maximize your chances to be good in 2015 while your prospects are still in Iowa. (with the obvious caveat that any blowaway offer would have to be entertained at any point)

I wouldn't disagree with this. But you also need to discretely find out what you can get.

 

I really don't think so. I think a "discreet" attempt to gauge the market on Castro will quickly be interpreted by the market as the Cubs trying to sell high after a bounce back year they do not think is sustainable. Let the market come to you on Castro until somebody internally pushes him off his value positions.

[Guest]

So if two of Baez, Russell, and Castro get Stanton. Which two do we trade?

 

Tell them they only get one and here's a Stanton replacement with local ties in Soler to have instead.

[Cubswin11]

So if two of Baez, Russell, and Castro get Stanton. Which two do we trade?

I wouldn't include 2 of them, 1 +Almora and another guy or 3 in the 10-18 range

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Baez and Castro for Stanton would be just fine with me.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Soler will make us all forget Stanton is a thing.