Week 3 Bears (2-0) @ Steelers (0-2) 7:30 CST Sun NBC/780

[Banedon]

That's really interesting on a bunch of different levels. Emery obviously chose the QB over the coach, even though the QB only had 1 year left on his deal. Also provides some possible insight as to why Trestman aka the QB whisperer was hired.

 

I also wonder if this means there may be some rifts between the players. You'd think Urlacher would have leaked something if there was some major friction between Cutler and some of the defensive guys (Briggs mainly). But I wonder if the Cutler/Lovie issues are the underlying factor for Hester wanting to get off of offense. From all accounts, Devin volunteered to solely concentrate on returning. I wonder if Hester just doesn't want to play with Cutler. Or if the only reason Hester was out there was because of Lovie, and he knows that Cutler knows that and was trying to avoid confrontation/getting cut.

 

Also wonder what would have happened if Lovie got into and won a playoff game or two.

 

Cutler was the one raving about Hester last year though. I really don't think I've ever seen anything to suggest friction there. But whatever the case, Cutler certainly seems like a happier player this season.

[Guest]

I think the whole Hester voluntarily taking himself out of the offense is, at best, a case of him doing it before it was done to him...if that's even what happened.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I think the whole Hester voluntarily taking himself out of the offense is, at best, a case of him doing it before it was done to him...if that's even what happened.

 

Yeah, I'm wondering if they were allowing him to save face a little bit

[Soul]

Also wonder what would have happened if Lovie got into and won a playoff game or two.

 

Almost glad he didn't now. They weren't going beyond the first round, maybe the 2nd with some luck.

 

Emery would have kept Lovie in this case. Too hard to make the case to fire a playoff coach. Maybe he could have made a case that Lovie needs to hire a better OC with the input of others, I don't know. Ultimately it just would have made it harder to move on, and Lovie would have eventually been gone anyway. I'd rather just get it over with sooner rather than later -- turn the page.

[Guest]

It's just stupid to hire a defensive coordinator as your hc.

 

You can literally hire anybody to coach your defense. But you need continuity on offense, which you cant get if you dont have an offensive coach anchored in.

[rawaction]

It's just stupid to hire a defensive coordinator as your hc.

 

You can literally hire anybody to coach your defense. But you need continuity on offense, which you cant get if you dont have an offensive coach anchored in.

 

Yeah, in this day and age, it's really not much upside in hiring a heavy defensive coach. When Lovie was hired, it was in vogue to do so though. But the only way to have sustained offensive success with a defensive coach is if that coach happens to be buddies with a big time offensive mind, and that mind has to be wise enough to surround himself with like-minded offensive coaching talent. Because that OC will likely get an HC job somewhere if he's successful, and his QB coach has to be ready to take over as OC when that happens. Then that cycle has to continue, which literally never happens. Actually, I guess it has happened in New England.

 

But with an offensive head coach, you can change OCs every year and not skip a beat if your HC is involved heavily in the offense. Saints OC doesn't matter. They've lost a few under Payton and haven't missed a beat. It's really what every team should strive for.

[jersey cubs fan]

Eh, bb and dungy did fine. Coughlin is no offensive mastermind, neither was cowher/tomlin. The continuity comes at qb, not hc or oc. It helps but is hardly mandatory

[rawaction]

Eh, bb and dungy did fine. Coughlin is no offensive mastermind, neither was cowher/tomlin. The continuity comes at qb, not hc or oc. It helps but is hardly mandatory

 

Dungy was lucky enough to inherit Peyton Manning. He never won anything in Tampa. And if you give him credit for Gruden's ring, that was all on the defense. And that was when defense still won championships (and when Lovie was hired by the Bears, which I pointed out).

 

Cowher also fits into, "won while defense could still win". Tomlin has an argument with the QB continuity. But Coughlin's rings have come with the same OC along with the same QB, and those rings were 5 years apart, which is longevity for an NFL OC.

[Guest]

Dungy pissed away Peyton Manning, who was the offensive coordinator for all intents and purposes. I'm not sure what Tomlin does, but the Steelers suck now with a terrible OC, even with a heroic QB like Big Ben. Coughlin had continuity on offense, as raw pointed out.

 

QBs are a big part of it, probably as much as the OC, but there are few QBs that transcend OCs like Manning. I doubt that Rodgers would be as great without McCarthy's offense, Brady wouldn't be known without Belichick, and the Saints sucked without Payton.

 

If I were a GM starting from scratch, I would hire the playcaller for the best offense in the NFL who isn't an HC, then I would draft the best QB available with my first pick until I struck gold.

[Guest]

Eh, bb and dungy did fine. Coughlin is no offensive mastermind, neither was cowher/tomlin. The continuity comes at qb, not hc or oc. It helps but is hardly mandatory

 

it's mandatory to maintain success.

[RynoRules]

Tom Moore was Dungy's OC for that entire period. Dungy stayed out of the way, which was smart. That model can work with an exceptional QB and OC, but I think it's rare. You're far better off having an innovative and offensive-minded HC.

[RynoRules]

Eh, bb and dungy did fine. Coughlin is no offensive mastermind, neither was cowher/tomlin. The continuity comes at qb, not hc or oc. It helps but is hardly mandatory

 

BB, Cowher and Coughlin all started before the current, offensive-minded approach took shape. Tomlin might be the exception but that doesn't mean it's worth rolling the dice. See Raheem Morris, Jack Del Rio, Mike Singletary, Jim Mora Jr, etc.

[Guest]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/jim-schwartz-allowed-to-coach-despite-exhibiting-c,33947/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Default:1:Default

[Fred Hornkohl]

My fearless prognostication............

 

BEARS         20
Piittsburgh   17

 

 

 

Go BEARS !!

[Soul]

Dungy pissed away Peyton Manning, who was the offensive coordinator for all intents and purposes. I'm not sure what Tomlin does, but the Steelers suck now with a terrible OC, even with a heroic QB like Big Ben. Coughlin had continuity on offense, as raw pointed out.

 

QBs are a big part of it, probably as much as the OC, but there are few QBs that transcend OCs like Manning. I doubt that Rodgers would be as great without McCarthy's offense, Brady wouldn't be known without Belichick, and the Saints sucked without Payton.

 

If I were a GM starting from scratch, I would hire the playcaller for the best offense in the NFL who isn't an HC, then I would draft the best QB available with my first pick until I struck gold.

 

Now, yeah.

 

But back then, when Lovie was hired, it really wasn't a terrible hire. Certainly not stupid.

[Guest]

Dungy pissed away Peyton Manning, who was the offensive coordinator for all intents and purposes. I'm not sure what Tomlin does, but the Steelers suck now with a terrible OC, even with a heroic QB like Big Ben. Coughlin had continuity on offense, as raw pointed out.

 

QBs are a big part of it, probably as much as the OC, but there are few QBs that transcend OCs like Manning. I doubt that Rodgers would be as great without McCarthy's offense, Brady wouldn't be known without Belichick, and the Saints sucked without Payton.

 

If I were a GM starting from scratch, I would hire the playcaller for the best offense in the NFL who isn't an HC, then I would draft the best QB available with my first pick until I struck gold.

 

Now, yeah.

 

But back then, when Lovie was hired, it really wasn't a terrible hire. Certainly not stupid.

 

i wasn't saying it was, necessarily. Lovie was a fine hire.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Brady wouldn't be known without Belichick,.

Because he's an offensive genius?

 

You come up with silly reasons to justify dismissing all the examples that prove it is not a necessity. But it clearly is not

[Guest]

 

Brady wouldn't be known without Belichick,.

Because he's an offensive genius?

 

You come up with silly reasons to justify dismissing all the examples that prove it is not a necessity. But it clearly is not

 

yes, clearly. you're certainly an expert at creating asinine strawmen and moving goal posts. there are exceptions to every rule, but the fact remains that if you want a team that maintains excellence in a consistent manner, you should hire an offensive coach. that is indisputable. you yourself are a worshiper of Sean Payton.

 

but yeah, for some reason i thought belichick was an offensive coach. my bad. he's a guy that administrates very well and has maintained the same offensive scheme for the years that he's been successful.

[Banedon]

Brad Biggs (@BradBiggs) tweeted at 4:31 PM on Sun, Sep 22, 2013:

Got a ride from an older gentleman in a cab over to Heinz Field. He said "I've never seen this many fans from another city here for a game"

[Soul]

It's usually Steelers fans crashing other teams' home games. I doubt there will really be that much of a Bear fan presence, though. We'll see.

[Guest]

@mikecwright: Bears inactives: M. Wilson, C.J. Wilson, M. Ford, J. Brown, J. Scott, D. Bass, Z. Minter. Sorry these are a little late. Had radio hit.

[Guest]

It's usually Steelers fans crashing other teams' home games. I doubt there will really be that much of a Bear fan presence, though. We'll see.

 

Don't know why you doubt that. There just about always is.

[Wilson A2000]

Trestman does have bad hair

[kujay]

Trestman, buddy, just go with the shaved head look.

[kujay]

Well that was awkward.