Edwin Jackson

[Illini Iceman]

One of my pet peeves is people assigning rotation numbers to pitchers as if there are 5 specific positions in the rotation you need to fill. Completely arbitrary and meaningless.

 

I have no idea what "numbers" Jackson, Shark and Wood are but they are a solid group to build a rotation from.

[TruffleShuffle]

Go ahead and throw all sorts of advanced statistics out, but this guy is never going to be a consistent major league starter.

 

If he's anything higher than our #4 starter, this team is not going to be competitive. He had a nice month, but the signing is looking like a bad one.

 

well you definitely just wrote some words, i'll give you credit for that. unfortunately most of them were stupid.

 

he has the lowest LOB% among all qualified MLB pitchers.

[TruffleShuffle]

I know there are better stats to evaluate pitchers

 

okay, so maybe you should use those.

 

but it can't be ignored.

 

why not? you've already acknowledged that there are better stats to evaluate a pitcher. maybe you should look at those and say "yeah he's just been really unlucky this year" instead of ranting and raving based on a flawed stat that has poor predictive value.

[Schwarber Fan]

If a guy has an ERA of 5, he can only be so unlucky. Not to mention his entire career has been mediocre. Had he been unlucky his entire career?

[Guest]

If a guy has an ERA of 5, he can only be so unlucky. Not to mention his entire career has been mediocre. Had he been unlucky his entire career?

 

Do you think people are saying he's supposed to have a 2.50 ERA this year? You're making a fool of yourself.

[Cubswin11]

The fact he's been able to pick nearly 200 innings every year since 2008 also plays into his value, especially with the rising cost of pitching and the attrition rate.

[Sammy Sofa]

If a guy has an ERA of 5, he can only be so unlucky. Not to mention his entire career has been mediocre. Had he been unlucky his entire career?

 

He's been a useful starting pitcher for most of his career and the Cubs signed him for a good deal. What the hell were you expecting from him?

[seanimal]

Go ahead and throw all sorts of advanced statistics out, but this guy is never going to be a consistent major league starter.

 

If he's anything higher than our #4 starter, this team is not going to be competitive. He had a nice month, but the signing is looking like a bad one.

 

well you definitely just wrote some words, i'll give you credit for that. unfortunately most of them were stupid.

 

it wasn't so much the words themselves, but the order in which they were placed

[A New Era]

Been the same pitcher his whole career.

 

this guy is never going to be a consistent major league starter

 

So which is it?

 

he's consistently inconsistent.

[Sammy Sofa]

Noooooooooope.

[neely crenshaw]

numbers mean little other than opening day. The idea is that if you are going to be a good team, you have to have 3 or 4 pitchers on your staff that are better than a guy with a 4.50 era. It doesn't matter what number you label anyone with because #5's face #1's all the time, it's more a matter of if edwin jackson is one of your top 2 pitchers, your staff isn't very good.

Really the truth is we need to add a top end guy to push everyone down a spot because right now it's hard to think of a contending having Wood as their best, and Samardzijia is not there yet either.

[CubInOK]

numbers mean little other than opening day.

:lol:

[Guest]

numbers mean little other than opening day.

:lol:

 

He's just talking about rotation slots. And he's right (about that part).

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Wait, neely is right?

 

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[Schwarber Fan]

So you guys are honestly happy with the season he had?

[Sammy Sofa]

Nobody is happy with the season he's had. How you could misinterpret arguments defending the signing as a whole and pointing towards the likelihood of him rebounding going forward as being "happy about his season" is beyond me.

[Schwarber Fan]

I'm just not seeing the likelihood. He continues to be the same pitcher he has always been.

[CUBZ99]

Nobody is happy with the season he's had. How you could misinterpret arguments defending the signing as a whole and pointing towards the likelihood of him rebounding going forward as being "happy about his season" is beyond me.

 

This year really wasn't that far off from his other seasons. Interestingly, his GB rate actually went up to his highest rate in years (2006). As someone earlier pointed out his LOB% was also very low and coincidentally (or not) was the lowest it has been since 2006. I know that Bosio has been preaching pitching to contact and pounding the zone, maybe Jackson is having trouble buying into it or is just not capable of executing.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm just not seeing the likelihood. He continues to be the same pitcher he has always been.

 

Then he would have likely had a a better year.

 

I come in here expecting baseball analysis and am instead confronted by local oaf.

[davell]

Edwin Jackson is a solid mid rotation starter. Capable of a great season and a shitty one. He underperformed his peripherals by a lot this year, maybe it's the opposite next year. If he does and we're NOT contending, I could see him bringing back a solid return as his stuff is good enough that someone will still think he can be more than he is. But trade him or keep him, he's a solid pitcher, just had a bad year by the bubblegum stats.

[Backtobanks]

Edwin Jackson is a solid mid rotation starter. Capable of a great season and a [expletive] one. He underperformed his peripherals by a lot this year, maybe it's the opposite next year. If he does and we're NOT contending, I could see him bringing back a solid return as his stuff is good enough that someone will still think he can be more than he is. But trade him or keep him, he's a solid pitcher, just had a bad year by the bubblegum stats.

 

You mean there are stats out there (besides "bubblegum stats") that prove he had a good year?

[SABR Gamer]

Edwin Jackson is a solid mid rotation starter. Capable of a great season and a [expletive] one. He underperformed his peripherals by a lot this year, maybe it's the opposite next year. If he does and we're NOT contending, I could see him bringing back a solid return as his stuff is good enough that someone will still think he can be more than he is. But trade him or keep him, he's a solid pitcher, just had a bad year by the bubblegum stats.

 

You mean there are stats out there (besides "bubblegum stats") that prove he had a good year?

 

Better FIP in 2013 than 2012.

[Sammy Sofa]

Edwin Jackson is a solid mid rotation starter. Capable of a great season and a [expletive] one. He underperformed his peripherals by a lot this year, maybe it's the opposite next year. If he does and we're NOT contending, I could see him bringing back a solid return as his stuff is good enough that someone will still think he can be more than he is. But trade him or keep him, he's a solid pitcher, just had a bad year by the bubblegum stats.

 

You mean there are stats out there (besides "bubblegum stats") that prove he had a good year?

 

There are discussions going on beyond whether or not he had a good year; primarily that you've got someone basically saying this is what you should expect out of him.

[wastra]

I hope Theo spends less time debating Edwin Jackson in the offseason than this thread. If that's his focus for what was primarily wrong with this team and staff, we have a problem.

[sneakypower]

for the most part, our (remaining) starters with good peripherals had really poor results

 

Edwin Jackson: 4.98 ERA, 3.86 xFIP (.322 BABIP)

Jeff Samardzija: 4.34 ERA, 3.77 xFIP (.314 BABIP)

 

and vice versa

 

Travis Wood: 3.11 ERA, 4.50 xFIP (.248 BABIP)

Jake Arrieta: 3.66 ERA, 4.51 xFIP (.190! BABIP)

Chris Rusin: 3.93 ERA, 4.46 xFIP (.275 BABIP)

 

however you feel about whether or not a pitcher has a 'skill' to significantly influence BABIP probably largely determines what you think about these guys going forward