Yankees Sign Masahiro Tanaka

[WrigleyField 22]

If that's it for the signings, it doesn't matter what we do for this season because the same amount isn't getting us [expletive] on MLB players. But since we're presumably fielding a team for the next 5 years after next, that's okay.

[Guest]

And isn't the word out there the posting could be higher because of the market?

 

Tiger, I think I am just worried that this will be it for signings, and if it is, we are not much better than this year..and possibly worse. There is no guarantee he pitches any better than Garza and Feldmen did the first half.

I understand long term it could be a very good deal, I just am not ready for another season done by July. I guess I am hoping we do things that will help next year.

 

I still believe many people get all worked up over the "new" name out there when they really have no idea what they would actually be getting. I stand by the idea that no one would be clamoring to drop this much cash on the same type of pitcher that was currently in the league. I think because of the unknown they can automatically imagine greatness as opposed to known commodity.

Who would you like to sign instead that provides some guarantee of performance?

[neely crenshaw]

It's hard to say when you don't know exactly how the market will play out. It's certainly not a strong field of pitchers but there are Arroyo(3.60), Burnett(3.30) and Nolasco(3.70), who all have been very good

I would like to see them go after the Johan(Ervin) Santana(3.14) or Jorge Del La Rosa. Santana was very good this year, and had a rough year last season, but had 2 very good years before that. KC plays a similar style to the cubs with defense being their game so I could see a similar output especially coming to the NL. He is older than Sanchez(30) so I am hoping/thinking he would come in under that deal and get something closer to Jackson money..so 50-60 mil

Del La Rosa was pretty awesome in colorado posting 3.49 and 3.51 in 2011 and 2013. Out with an injury for 2012, he bounced back nicely, he is on the DL but it's with a bruised thumb.

I would really prefer to look at offensive options. Cano would be ideal but they are talking 300 mil

Choo or Ellsbury would be good additions especially at the top of the order. Aoki has an option but he would be a similar but cheaper option.

Maybe a flyer on Granderson, if his injuries drop his cost. He could be another .800 plus OPS guy at wrigley maybe even return to that .900 level of 2011

"That guy" Hunter Pence could be a decent option also. He is right handed, and sports a career ops of .813 both of which we need. Coming from SF his totals could also see a jump over the past season also. This might be influenced by what they think about Lake's future.

Based on last years costs on deals like Bourn,Pagan and Hunter, which were 3-5 years and in the 12-15mil/year range, with them all being early 30's, maybe 3- 4 years and 55-70 mil for the top names, less for Pence or Aoki.

Never know, but maybe 120 mil would get you Del La Rosa or Santana/Choo or Ellsbury.

Although Tanaka at 25 would be around longer than these names, at 32 and 30, you could reason to get a solid 4 years out of them maybe 5 for Santana. It's probably a toss up as to who performs better but if you can sign one of them for slightly more than what the bid is for his rights, it seems to make more sense to leave that money to add a bat.

 

Jessie Crain is also out there as another set up guy. If you're convinced Strop is the guy, it might be a nice situation to have Russell-Crain leading into the 9th.

We could also grab Rajai Davis as our RH platoon OF. He would probably cost less than Scheirholtz, He has ridiculous stolen base numbers and batting stats vs LH pitchers(.889 ops this year, .300 ba/.786ops for his career) He could be a very nice compliment to Nate.

So if we add Crain and Davis for maybe 6-7 mil a year more, we have a pretty nice haul for for somewhere between 20-35 mil more than what you look to pay Tanaka including his bid (100-120)

Actually closer could bring some interesting (and maybe good) names. You have injured guys like Madsen,Betancourt and Hanrahan probably available and probably somewhat cheap.

[Guest]

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/62124048/

[Tyrant]

It's hard to say when you don't know exactly how the market will play out. It's certainly not a strong field of pitchers but there are Arroyo(3.60), Burnett(3.30) and Nolasco(3.70), who all have been very good

I would like to see them go after the Johan(Ervin) Santana(3.14) or Jorge Del La Rosa. Santana was very good this year, and had a rough year last season, but had 2 very good years before that. KC plays a similar style to the cubs with defense being their game so I could see a similar output especially coming to the NL. He is older than Sanchez(30) so I am hoping/thinking he would come in under that deal and get something closer to Jackson money..so 50-60 mil

Del La Rosa was pretty awesome in colorado posting 3.49 and 3.51 in 2011 and 2013. Out with an injury for 2012, he bounced back nicely, he is on the DL but it's with a bruised thumb.

I would really prefer to look at offensive options. Cano would be ideal but they are talking 300 mil

Choo or Ellsbury would be good additions especially at the top of the order. Aoki has an option but he would be a similar but cheaper option.

Maybe a flyer on Granderson, if his injuries drop his cost. He could be another .800 plus OPS guy at wrigley maybe even return to that .900 level of 2011

"That guy" Hunter Pence could be a decent option also. He is right handed, and sports a career ops of .813 both of which we need. Coming from SF his totals could also see a jump over the past season also. This might be influenced by what they think about Lake's future.

Based on last years costs on deals like Bourn,Pagan and Hunter, which were 3-5 years and in the 12-15mil/year range, with them all being early 30's, maybe 3- 4 years and 55-70 mil for the top names, less for Pence or Aoki.

Never know, but maybe 120 mil would get you Del La Rosa or Santana/Choo or Ellsbury.

Although Tanaka at 25 would be around longer than these names, at 32 and 30, you could reason to get a solid 4 years out of them maybe 5 for Santana. It's probably a toss up as to who performs better but if you can sign one of them for slightly more than what the bid is for his rights, it seems to make more sense to leave that money to add a bat.

 

Jessie Crain is also out there as another set up guy. If you're convinced Strop is the guy, it might be a nice situation to have Russell-Crain leading into the 9th.

We could also grab Rajai Davis as our RH platoon OF. He would probably cost less than Scheirholtz, He has ridiculous stolen base numbers and batting stats vs LH pitchers(.889 ops this year, .300 ba/.786ops for his career) He could be a very nice compliment to Nate.

So if we add Crain and Davis for maybe 6-7 mil a year more, we have a pretty nice haul for for somewhere between 20-35 mil more than what you look to pay Tanaka including his bid (100-120)

Actually closer could bring some interesting (and maybe good) names. You have injured guys like Madsen,Betancourt and Hanrahan probably available and probably somewhat cheap.

 

Why is it so hard for you to space your posts like a normal human?

[Thed Hoyerstein]

It's hard to say when you don't know exactly how the market will play out. It's certainly not a strong field of pitchers but there are Arroyo(3.60), Burnett(3.30) and Nolasco(3.70), who all have been very good

I would like to see them go after the Johan(Ervin) Santana(3.14) or Jorge Del La Rosa. Santana was very good this year, and had a rough year last season, but had 2 very good years before that. KC plays a similar style to the cubs with defense being their game so I could see a similar output especially coming to the NL. He is older than Sanchez(30) so I am hoping/thinking he would come in under that deal and get something closer to Jackson money..so 50-60 mil

Del La Rosa was pretty awesome in colorado posting 3.49 and 3.51 in 2011 and 2013. Out with an injury for 2012, he bounced back nicely, he is on the DL but it's with a bruised thumb.

I would really prefer to look at offensive options. Cano would be ideal but they are talking 300 mil

Choo or Ellsbury would be good additions especially at the top of the order. Aoki has an option but he would be a similar but cheaper option.

Maybe a flyer on Granderson, if his injuries drop his cost. He could be another .800 plus OPS guy at wrigley maybe even return to that .900 level of 2011

"That guy" Hunter Pence could be a decent option also. He is right handed, and sports a career ops of .813 both of which we need. Coming from SF his totals could also see a jump over the past season also. This might be influenced by what they think about Lake's future.

Based on last years costs on deals like Bourn,Pagan and Hunter, which were 3-5 years and in the 12-15mil/year range, with them all being early 30's, maybe 3- 4 years and 55-70 mil for the top names, less for Pence or Aoki.

Never know, but maybe 120 mil would get you Del La Rosa or Santana/Choo or Ellsbury.

Although Tanaka at 25 would be around longer than these names, at 32 and 30, you could reason to get a solid 4 years out of them maybe 5 for Santana. It's probably a toss up as to who performs better but if you can sign one of them for slightly more than what the bid is for his rights, it seems to make more sense to leave that money to add a bat.

 

Jessie Crain is also out there as another set up guy. If you're convinced Strop is the guy, it might be a nice situation to have Russell-Crain leading into the 9th.

We could also grab Rajai Davis as our RH platoon OF. He would probably cost less than Scheirholtz, He has ridiculous stolen base numbers and batting stats vs LH pitchers(.889 ops this year, .300 ba/.786ops for his career) He could be a very nice compliment to Nate.

So if we add Crain and Davis for maybe 6-7 mil a year more, we have a pretty nice haul for for somewhere between 20-35 mil more than what you look to pay Tanaka including his bid (100-120)

Actually closer could bring some interesting (and maybe good) names. You have injured guys like Madsen,Betancourt and Hanrahan probably available and probably somewhat cheap.

 

Why is it so hard for you to space your posts like a normal human?

 

You just answered your own question

[Four and Twenty]

It's hard to say when you don't know exactly how the market will play out. It's certainly not a strong field of pitchers but there are Arroyo(3.60), Burnett(3.30) and Nolasco(3.70), who all have been very good

 

I would like to see them go after the Johan(Ervin) Santana(3.14) or Jorge Del La Rosa. Santana was very good this year, and had a rough year last season, but had 2 very good years before that. KC plays a similar style to the cubs with defense being their game so I could see a similar output especially coming to the NL. He is older than Sanchez(30) so I am hoping/thinking he would come in under that deal and get something closer to Jackson money..so 50-60 mil

 

Del La Rosa was pretty awesome in colorado posting 3.49 and 3.51 in 2011 and 2013. Out with an injury for 2012, he bounced back nicely, he is on the DL but it's with a bruised thumb.

 

I would really prefer to look at offensive options. Cano would be ideal but they are talking 300 mil

 

Choo or Ellsbury would be good additions especially at the top of the order. Aoki has an option but he would be a similar but cheaper option.

 

Maybe a flyer on Granderson, if his injuries drop his cost. He could be another .800 plus OPS guy at wrigley maybe even return to that .900 level of 2011

 

"That guy" Hunter Pence could be a decent option also. He is right handed, and sports a career ops of .813 both of which we need. Coming from SF his totals could also see a jump over the past season also. This might be influenced by what they think about Lake's future.

Based on last years costs on deals like Bourn,Pagan and Hunter, which were 3-5 years and in the 12-15mil/year range, with them all being early 30's, maybe 3- 4 years and 55-70 mil for the top names, less for Pence or Aoki.

 

Never know, but maybe 120 mil would get you Del La Rosa or Santana/Choo or Ellsbury.

Although Tanaka at 25 would be around longer than these names, at 32 and 30, you could reason to get a solid 4 years out of them maybe 5 for Santana. It's probably a toss up as to who performs better but if you can sign one of them for slightly more than what the bid is for his rights, it seems to make more sense to leave that money to add a bat.

 

Jessie Crain is also out there as another set up guy. If you're convinced Strop is the guy, it might be a nice situation to have Russell-Crain leading into the 9th.

 

We could also grab Rajai Davis as our RH platoon OF. He would probably cost less than Scheirholtz, He has ridiculous stolen base numbers and batting stats vs LH pitchers(.889 ops this year, .300 ba/.786ops for his career) He could be a very nice compliment to Nate.

 

So if we add Crain and Davis for maybe 6-7 mil a year more, we have a pretty nice haul for for somewhere between 20-35 mil more than what you look to pay Tanaka including his bid (100-120)

 

Actually closer could bring some interesting (and maybe good) names. You have injured guys like Madsen,Betancourt and Hanrahan probably available and probably somewhat cheap.

 

If you are going to continue to compose these long, rambling posts with tangential thoughts on an excess of erratically sequenced subjects, take the effort to add a space between your paragraphs. I don't find the nature of your often non sequitur thought process to be particularly irritating, but the lack of spacing is egregious to the point of causing my eyes to hurt. Please, it takes a minimal amount of effort.

 

To illustrate, you pressed the buttons on your keyboard 2982 times to compose the quote above. I pressed the buttons on my keyboard 10 times to format it to be readable.

 

I don't post often, though I am an intermittently frequent lurker and know at times you are ostracized. That is not my intent in writing this, but rather I think everyone here would agree that a slightly longer post is preferable to one that is hard to read.

[seanimal]

long, rambling posts with tangential thoughts on an excess of erratically sequenced subjects

 

this should not go unappreciated

[Four and Twenty]

long, rambling posts with tangential thoughts on an excess of erratically sequenced subjects

 

this should not go unappreciated

 

Apparently, I have an innate affinity for the use of alliteration, as I hadn't noticed that line until after it was written. Though, regardless of the alliteration, I do believe it describes his writing style as succinctly as humanly possible. Well, "[expletive] crazed" may be more succinct, but not as descriptive.

[Four and Twenty]

Oh, hey, back on topic...

 

Absolutely no word lately regarding the possible posting of Tanaka by the Golden Eagles? Matsuzaka was posted November 2nd, 2006, and bidding for Darvish ended on December 11th, 2011 (I didn't bother looking further than Wikipedia.org for this information, I must admit), so I suppose we still have somewhat of a wait ahead of us.

[EhDubya]

So the posting fee is going to be high, but whoever signs this guy has gotta understand they will be getting someone that will surely add a lot revenue from the Asian fan community alone, right? I mean, I'd imagine Ichiro brought in a ton of money to the Mariners over his career from off the field and I'd assume Tanaka could provide something similar if hes the real deal.

[jersey cubs fan]

So the posting fee is going to be high, but whoever signs this guy has gotta understand they will be getting someone that will surely add a lot revenue from the Asian fan community alone, right? I mean, I'd imagine Ichiro brought in a ton of money to the Mariners over his career from off the field and I'd assume Tanaka could provide something similar if hes the real deal.

 

In what form would that added revenue come?

[EhDubya]

So the posting fee is going to be high, but whoever signs this guy has gotta understand they will be getting someone that will surely add a lot revenue from the Asian fan community alone, right? I mean, I'd imagine Ichiro brought in a ton of money to the Mariners over his career from off the field and I'd assume Tanaka could provide something similar if hes the real deal.

 

In what form would that added revenue come?

 

Ticket sales, merchandise, added exposure all around, I guess. I really don't know, thus the reason for the question.

[jersey cubs fan]

So the posting fee is going to be high, but whoever signs this guy has gotta understand they will be getting someone that will surely add a lot revenue from the Asian fan community alone, right? I mean, I'd imagine Ichiro brought in a ton of money to the Mariners over his career from off the field and I'd assume Tanaka could provide something similar if hes the real deal.

 

In what form would that added revenue come?

 

Ticket sales, merchandise, added exposure all around, I guess. I really don't know, thus the reason for the question.

 

I believe MLB merchandise sales are shares throughout the league. Ticket sales matter, but there are a finite number of seats at Wrigley Field. Their revenue from that is going to depend on how good the team is. A good Cubs team = sellouts = maximized revenue from ticket sales. Any incremental gains from bringing in interest from overseas won't cover the cost of his posting fee.

 

You pay the posting fee because it is one of only a few ways to immediately add talent to the roster without giving up talent of your own.

[Guest]

So the posting fee is going to be high, but whoever signs this guy has gotta understand they will be getting someone that will surely add a lot revenue from the Asian fan community alone, right? I mean, I'd imagine Ichiro brought in a ton of money to the Mariners over his career from off the field and I'd assume Tanaka could provide something similar if hes the real deal.

 

In what form would that added revenue come?

 

Ticket sales, merchandise, added exposure all around, I guess. I really don't know, thus the reason for the question.

 

I believe MLB merchandise sales are shares throughout the league. Ticket sales matter, but there are a finite number of seats at Wrigley Field. Their revenue from that is going to depend on how good the team is. A good Cubs team = sellouts = maximized revenue from ticket sales. Any incremental gains from bringing in interest from overseas won't cover the cost of his posting fee.

 

You pay the posting fee because it is one of only a few ways to immediately add talent to the roster without giving up talent of your own.

"Horry Cow!"shirts is what he was getting at I think.

[Guest]

Also, don't forget the Khamakazi bandanas.

[EhDubya]

Good ones CubinNY, super funny! Although, no, I wasn't. I thought I had read/heard somewhere years ago that the Mariners and Rockets franchises saw much increased revenue from interested markets they normally didn't have before they had Ichiro and Yao, respectively. I know it wouldn't be enough to cover a hypothetical 60MM posting fee, but figured it might help alleviate some of it and be enough to talk ownership into splurging. I wasn't certain, and the thread was kind of drying out, so I figured I'd ask.

[Warpticon]

Khamakazi

 

It took me way too long to figure out what this was supposed to be.

[mul21]

Good ones CubinNY, super funny! Although, no, I wasn't. I thought I had read/heard somewhere years ago that the Mariners and Rockets franchises saw much increased revenue from interested markets they normally didn't have before they had Ichiro and Yao, respectively. I know it wouldn't be enough to cover a hypothetical 60MM posting fee, but figured it might help alleviate some of it and be enough to talk ownership into splurging. I wasn't certain, and the thread was kind of drying out, so I figured I'd ask.

 

The only merchandise sales a team makes that goes directly into their pockets is stuff sold in their team store, i.e. inside the stadium. Everything else is subject to revenue sharing, so other than more Asian people buying tickets, I can't see a whole lot of direct revenue impact for the team with the winning bid.

[Guest]

Good ones CubinNY, super funny! Although, no, I wasn't. I thought I had read/heard somewhere years ago that the Mariners and Rockets franchises saw much increased revenue from interested markets they normally didn't have before they had Ichiro and Yao, respectively. I know it wouldn't be enough to cover a hypothetical 60MM posting fee, but figured it might help alleviate some of it and be enough to talk ownership into splurging. I wasn't certain, and the thread was kind of drying out, so I figured I'd ask.

 

The only merchandise sales a team makes that goes directly into their pockets is stuff sold in their team store, i.e. inside the stadium. Everything else is subject to revenue sharing, so other than more Asian people buying tickets, I can't see a whole lot of direct revenue impact for the team with the winning bid.

One question first: Does the merchandising contract extend worldwide or is that only for US sales?

 

Other point: the Mariners made extra money by selling TV rights to their games in Japan, iirc.

[mul21]

Good ones CubinNY, super funny! Although, no, I wasn't. I thought I had read/heard somewhere years ago that the Mariners and Rockets franchises saw much increased revenue from interested markets they normally didn't have before they had Ichiro and Yao, respectively. I know it wouldn't be enough to cover a hypothetical 60MM posting fee, but figured it might help alleviate some of it and be enough to talk ownership into splurging. I wasn't certain, and the thread was kind of drying out, so I figured I'd ask.

 

The only merchandise sales a team makes that goes directly into their pockets is stuff sold in their team store, i.e. inside the stadium. Everything else is subject to revenue sharing, so other than more Asian people buying tickets, I can't see a whole lot of direct revenue impact for the team with the winning bid.

One question first: Does the merchandising contract extend worldwide or is that only for US sales?

 

Other point: the Mariners made extra money by selling TV rights to their games in Japan, iirc.

 

As far as I know, yes, it applies world wide.

 

Your other point is a good one that I had forgotten the Mariners took advantage of, but is Tanaka going to generate the kind of interest that would warrant additional TV money?

[treebird]

Good ones CubinNY, super funny! Although, no, I wasn't. I thought I had read/heard somewhere years ago that the Mariners and Rockets franchises saw much increased revenue from interested markets they normally didn't have before they had Ichiro and Yao, respectively. I know it wouldn't be enough to cover a hypothetical 60MM posting fee, but figured it might help alleviate some of it and be enough to talk ownership into splurging. I wasn't certain, and the thread was kind of drying out, so I figured I'd ask.

 

The only merchandise sales a team makes that goes directly into their pockets is stuff sold in their team store, i.e. inside the stadium. Everything else is subject to revenue sharing, so other than more Asian people buying tickets, I can't see a whole lot of direct revenue impact for the team with the winning bid.

One question first: Does the merchandising contract extend worldwide or is that only for US sales?

 

Other point: the Mariners made extra money by selling TV rights to their games in Japan, iirc.

 

As far as I know, yes, it applies world wide.

 

Your other point is a good one that I had forgotten the Mariners took advantage of, but is Tanaka going to generate the kind of interest that would warrant additional TV money?

 

maybe wgn will give us ninety bucks a game instead of the $87.50 they currently do.

[RammyFanny]

Jose Canseco ‏@JoseCanseco 18h

 

hey Theo @cubs we gotta get Tanaka out of Japan. 私は日本を知っている

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Jose Canseco ‏@JoseCanseco 18h

 

hey Theo @cubs we gotta get Tanaka out of Japan. 私は日本を知っている

 

Please hire him.

[Guest]

I'm not even kidding when I say I'd be all for a Canseco hire if he brings some roids with him.