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Starlin Castro is incredibly bad right now.

 

His June hasn't been much better

.259/.291/.370/.661

 

This is a guy that was supposedly untradeable.

 

MLB shortstops:

.248/.298/.357/.655

 

MACKLIN, YOU SON OF A BITCH.

 

so he is slightly above average with the bat... whats the mlb average defense metrics? uh huhh.

 

Obviously you know better than to lean on less than half a season of defensive statistics and realize that over the last 3 years and change he grades out as "slightly below average" rather than the "worst in the league" that you're implying. A SS who is above average with the bat and slightly below average with the glove at $6 mil is perfectly valuable.

 

No one is happy with his year so far; his first 380 PA count exactly as much as his next 380 will. The question that everyone except you is asking is "do we have a reason to think he'll return to being useful" and the answer is, in my opinion, a reasonably obvious yes.

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At this point, the odds of any given Castro half-season being a total turdfest are not negligible. Nor do I agree that previous years' defensive stats represent the level his defense has been at this year.

 

I'm not saying there is anything to be done but keep sending him out there for the moment, but I don't think this is an "lol, obviously an outlier, don't worry about it" situation." He used that up in 2013.

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I'm not saying there is anything to be done but keep sending him out there for the moment, but I don't think this is an "lol, obviously an outlier, don't worry about it" situation." He used that up in 2013.

 

Who is saying that it is?

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I'm not saying there is anything to be done but keep sending him out there for the moment, but I don't think this is an "lol, obviously an outlier, don't worry about it" situation." He used that up in 2013.

 

Who is saying that it is?

 

The post immediately above that one, in which believing Castro would bounce back in the second half was described as "reasonably obvious."

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I'm not saying there is anything to be done but keep sending him out there for the moment, but I don't think this is an "lol, obviously an outlier, don't worry about it" situation." He used that up in 2013.

 

Who is saying that it is?

 

The post immediately above that one, in which believing Castro would bounce back in the second half was described as "reasonably obvious."

 

Bounce back doesn't mean he's gonna turn into an all-world SS. In this case, I think relative improvement over his current stats is all that's being projected.

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I'm not saying there is anything to be done but keep sending him out there for the moment, but I don't think this is an "lol, obviously an outlier, don't worry about it" situation." He used that up in 2013.

 

Who is saying that it is?

 

The post immediately above that one, in which believing Castro would bounce back in the second half was described as "reasonably obvious."

being useful you freaking dolt.

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I'm not saying there is anything to be done but keep sending him out there for the moment, but I don't think this is an "lol, obviously an outlier, don't worry about it" situation." He used that up in 2013.

 

Who is saying that it is?

 

The post immediately above that one, in which believing Castro would bounce back in the second half was described as "reasonably obvious."

 

Yeah, it's painfully clear he's talking about how given his numbers this June and his previous track record it's "reasonably obvious" he's going to bounce back from being horrible. For [expletive]'s sake, Kyle.

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Bounce back doesn't mean he's gonna turn into an all-world SS. In this case, I think relative improvement over his current stats is all that's being projected.

 

He would need to improve a fair bit just to be replacement.

 

I'm saying I think the odds of Castro putting in a sub-replacement performance in the remaining season are being downplayed. His entire 2013 and his entire 2015 to date total to below replacement. A bounceback is possible, maybe even slightly probable, but it is certainly not a gimme putt.

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i'm disappointed with the knowledge that castro will never be what we once hoped he would turn out to be (i distinctly remember tim bursting this bubble for me), but the dumpster fire histrionics over what is essentially league average play is beyond stupid and pointless. there is literally nothing interesting to talk about with castro at this point
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being useful you freaking dolt.

 

I know. I'm saying the chances of Castro being not useful are being downplayed.

 

AKA "[expletive], people are hoping that he continues to improve and I need to stomp all over that [expletive]." Nobody's ignoring 2013 or his bad May.

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I'm not saying there is anything to be done but keep sending him out there for the moment, but I don't think this is an "lol, obviously an outlier, don't worry about it" situation." He used that up in 2013.

 

Who is saying that it is?

 

The post immediately above that one, in which believing Castro would bounce back in the second half was described as "reasonably obvious."

 

It's reasonably obvious that we have legitimate reasons to believe in a bounce back, not that Castro is guaranteed to bounce back.

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i'm disappointed with the knowledge that castro will never be what we once hoped he would turn out to be (i distinctly remember tim bursting this bubble for me), but the dumpster fire histrionics over what is essentially league average play is beyond stupid and pointless. there is literally nothing interesting to talk about with castro at this point

 

That's probably the best way to put it; people respond to nonsense rantings by meatballs who think he's a baseball cancer and that gets spun as people being "Castro lovers" or in denial or now "downplaying" his faults. How about it's just expecting people to not lose their damn minds every week over an average baseball player?

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being useful you freaking dolt.

 

I know. I'm saying the chances of Castro being not useful are being downplayed.

 

AKA "[expletive], people are hoping that he continues to improve and I need to stomp all over that [expletive]." Nobody's ignoring 2013 or his bad May.

 

Hoping and describing it as "reasonably obvious" are not synonymous. Nor are "ignoring" and "downplaying." You came into this looking to post the "nobody is saying that!" faux histrionics schtick, but you aren't paying the slightest attention to what anyone is saying.

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i'm disappointed with the knowledge that castro will never be what we once hoped he would turn out to be (i distinctly remember tim bursting this bubble for me), but the dumpster fire histrionics over what is essentially league average play is beyond stupid and pointless. there is literally nothing interesting to talk about with castro at this point

 

That's probably the best way to put it; people respond to nonsense rantings by meatballs who think he's a baseball cancer and that gets spun as people being "Castro lovers" or in denial or now "downplaying" his faults. How about it's just expecting people to not lose their damn minds every week over an average baseball player?

 

And this hits on the heart of it: this isn't about accurately describing Castro (the guy half a win below replacement being described as "average."). It is about digging heels into the ground against meatballs.

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Starlin Castro is incredibly bad right now.

 

His June hasn't been much better

.259/.291/.370/.661

 

This is a guy that was supposedly untradeable.

 

MLB shortstops:

.248/.298/.357/.655

 

MACKLIN, YOU SON OF A BITCH.

 

so he is slightly above average with the bat... whats the mlb average defense metrics? uh huhh.

 

For the billionth time: NOBODY IS SAYING HE'S HAVING A GOOD YEAR. These discussions get going thanks to histrionics where people start ranting like he's some kind of team-crippling anchor that needs to be dealt with. The Cubs don't have any better options to play instead of him right now, and benching him or sending him down accomplishes nothing except placating meatballs. After a horrendous May he's playing around replacement level, so what exactly is the point of repeatedly bemoaning the existence of Starlin Castro like he's sabotaging the Cubs from within?

 

im curious how you decide which players you like and which you dont

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i'm disappointed with the knowledge that castro will never be what we once hoped he would turn out to be (i distinctly remember tim bursting this bubble for me), but the dumpster fire histrionics over what is essentially league average play is beyond stupid and pointless. there is literally nothing interesting to talk about with castro at this point

 

That's probably the best way to put it; people respond to nonsense rantings by meatballs who think he's a baseball cancer and that gets spun as people being "Castro lovers" or in denial or now "downplaying" his faults. How about it's just expecting people to not lose their damn minds every week over an average baseball player?

 

And this hits on the heart of it: this isn't about accurately describing Castro (the guy half a win below replacement being described as "average."). It is about digging heels into the ground against meatballs.

 

Yes, exactly. And ultimately not giving a poop about your semantically nitpicking cries for attention.

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