Re: Chicago Blackhawks 2013 Playoffs

[Guest]

one of sharp/hossa will probably have to go in the next couple years anyways, assuming kane doesn't leave

[biittner77]

one of sharp/hossa will probably have to go in the next couple years anyways, assuming kane doesn't leave

 

We have all summer to talk about this type of stuff. Has anyone heard if Richards is going to play?

[Banedon]

one of sharp/hossa will probably have to go in the next couple years anyways, assuming kane doesn't leave

 

We have all summer to talk about this type of stuff. Has anyone heard if Richards is going to play?

 

Kings blog doesn't think so:

 

http://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/2013/6/4/4394732/kings-blackhawks-game-3-preview-highway-to-the-danger-zone

[jersey cubs fan]

twitter said he's not on ice for morning skate

[E.J.]

Just got an alert from NHL game center that Richards won't be playing tonight.

[UMFan83]

Man this is a big game. Obviously we only need to win one of the next two but a win by LA tonight builds up the "LA is invincible at home" thing.

[Soul]

Wow, no Richards again. Unbelievable, such a huge opportunity tonight to just put them down for good. Don't want to waste it.

[Banedon]

Not expecting either series to be a sweep, but which conference would be the more surprising sweep?

[UMFan83]

Not expecting either series to be a sweep, but which conference would be the more surprising sweep?

 

At this point? I'd say this series would be a more surprising sweep most because Boston has the next 2 at home.

[jersey cubs fan]

Not expecting either series to be a sweep, but which conference would be the more surprising sweep?

 

At this point? I'd say this series would be a more surprising sweep most because Boston has the next 2 at home.

 

Even prior to this point I would think that LA's home dominance and the fact that their goalie was considered by some to be the best player left in the playoffs would make it the most improbable.

[Banedon]

Not expecting either series to be a sweep, but which conference would be the more surprising sweep?

 

At this point? I'd say this series would be a more surprising sweep most because Boston has the next 2 at home.

 

Yeah, you're probably right, but I guess I was meaning looking back, which one would be more surprising as a whole. But that's splitting hairs...either one would be a big surprise.

[Banedon]

Just got an alert from NHL game center that Richards won't be playing tonight.

 

“If it was just about Mike Richards making the decision, Mike Richards is playing tonight,” said Sutter.

[SABR Gamer]

one of sharp/hossa will probably have to go in the next couple years anyways, assuming kane doesn't leave

 

Kane isn't going anywhere.

[Guest]

well that settles that

[jersey cubs fan]

one of sharp/hossa will probably have to go in the next couple years anyways, assuming kane doesn't leave

 

Kane isn't going anywhere.

 

If the marketing department gets its way, no, he won't be going anywhere. If the Bowman's have as much control as they probably should, there's a fairly decent chance he gets dealt sometime. Hockey players move all the time. I still like to believe Buffalo will do something stupid in a trade with hopes of generating excitement for the hometown kid.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

I can't think of a single player on the Sabre's roster I would take in exchange for Kane. I don't know anything about their prospects though...

[SABR Gamer]

one of sharp/hossa will probably have to go in the next couple years anyways, assuming kane doesn't leave

 

Kane isn't going anywhere.

 

If the marketing department gets its way, no, he won't be going anywhere. If the Bowman's have as much control as they probably should, there's a fairly decent chance he gets dealt sometime. Hockey players move all the time. I still like to believe Buffalo will do something stupid in a trade with hopes of generating excitement for the hometown kid.

 

 

Based on analytics, Kane was the 4th best skater in the NHL this year, and he's getting better. Why would you move that? You will never get fair value for him. It would be very stupid from a front office stand point to move him. He's not going to get that much of a raise, likely only 1-2 million at most.

 

Hossa is also all but a lock to be gone after next season with the new CBA and the amnesty.

 

Kane isn't going anywhere.

 

ETA: fixed typo

Edited June 4, 2013 by New York Cubs Fan

[jersey cubs fan]

Based on analytical, Kane was the 4th best skater in the NHL this year, and he's getting better. Why would you move that? You will never get fair value for him. It would be very stupid from a front office stand point to move him. He's not going to get that much of a raise, likely only 1-2 million at most.

 

Hossa is also all but a lock to be gone after next season with the new CBA and the amnesty.

 

Kane isn't going anywhere.

 

I wouldn't move him for the sake of moving him, my point is they could theoretically get a haul for him. If he's considered the 4th best skater in the NHL and getting better I don't see how his next contract only gives him a 1-2 million raise.

[SABR Gamer]

Based on analytical, Kane was the 4th best skater in the NHL this year, and he's getting better. Why would you move that? You will never get fair value for him. It would be very stupid from a front office stand point to move him. He's not going to get that much of a raise, likely only 1-2 million at most.

 

Hossa is also all but a lock to be gone after next season with the new CBA and the amnesty.

 

Kane isn't going anywhere.

 

I wouldn't move him for the sake of moving him, my point is they could theoretically get a haul for him. If he's considered the 4th best skater in the NHL and getting better I don't see how his next contract only gives him a 1-2 million raise.

 

Because you know contracts aren't negotiated based on advanced statistics.

 

Kane won't make more than 7-8 million in his next contract.

 

For example, Crosby makes 8.7 million, Kane will not be able to come that close to that. He will make 8 million at most, and likely even less.

Edited June 4, 2013 by New York Cubs Fan

[jersey cubs fan]

Based on analytical, Kane was the 4th best skater in the NHL this year, and he's getting better. Why would you move that? You will never get fair value for him. It would be very stupid from a front office stand point to move him. He's not going to get that much of a raise, likely only 1-2 million at most.

 

Hossa is also all but a lock to be gone after next season with the new CBA and the amnesty.

 

Kane isn't going anywhere.

 

I wouldn't move him for the sake of moving him, my point is they could theoretically get a haul for him. If he's considered the 4th best skater in the NHL and getting better I don't see how his next contract only gives him a 1-2 million raise.

 

Because you know contracts aren't negotiated based on advanced statistics.

 

Kane won't make more than 7-8 million in his next contract.

 

What agent isn't going to include such analysis in his negotiations?

[SABR Gamer]

Based on analytical, Kane was the 4th best skater in the NHL this year, and he's getting better. Why would you move that? You will never get fair value for him. It would be very stupid from a front office stand point to move him. He's not going to get that much of a raise, likely only 1-2 million at most.

 

Hossa is also all but a lock to be gone after next season with the new CBA and the amnesty.

 

Kane isn't going anywhere.

 

I wouldn't move him for the sake of moving him, my point is they could theoretically get a haul for him. If he's considered the 4th best skater in the NHL and getting better I don't see how his next contract only gives him a 1-2 million raise.

 

Because you know contracts aren't negotiated based on advanced statistics.

 

Kane won't make more than 7-8 million in his next contract.

 

What agent isn't going to include such analysis in his negotiations?

 

Crosby makes 8.7 million, Kane will not be able to come that close to that. He will make 8 million at most, and likely even less.

 

I'm sure it will be brought up, but it won't be enough to get him that contract. Contract negotiations in sports are heavily based on player comps, and the front office will make an argument that he deserves a decent amount less than the Crosby/Malkin level and that will be the winning argument. Teams don't like setting contract precedent, especially since the salary cap is being lowered. Kane will make somewhere from 7-8 million (he makes 6.3 now), which is a good price to hold on to him.

[jersey cubs fan]

Crosby makes 8.7 million, Kane will not be able to come that close to that. He will make 8 million at most, and likely even less.

 

I'm sure it will be brought up, but it won't be enough to get him that contract. Contract negotiations in sports are heavily based on player comps, and the front office will make an argument that he deserves a decent amount less than the Crosby/Malkin level and that will be the winning argument. Teams don't like setting contract precedent, especially since the salary cap is being lowered. Kane will make somewhere from 7-8 million (he makes 6.3 now), which is a good price to hold on to him.

 

His cap hit is 8.7m. He makes 12m, and doesn't make less than $9m until 2023.

 

The Blackhawks are in a predicament with the Hossa contract, and I would not assume they will be willing to go right back into another deal that will require a similar ending, especially when Toews will get as much, or more.

[Guest]

new york cubs fan, you know that it's possible kane might want to sign somewhere else when he's a free agent, right? just because we want to keep him doesn't necessarily mean we'll have the option

[SABR Gamer]

Crosby makes 8.7 million, Kane will not be able to come that close to that. He will make 8 million at most, and likely even less.

 

I'm sure it will be brought up, but it won't be enough to get him that contract. Contract negotiations in sports are heavily based on player comps, and the front office will make an argument that he deserves a decent amount less than the Crosby/Malkin level and that will be the winning argument. Teams don't like setting contract precedent, especially since the salary cap is being lowered. Kane will make somewhere from 7-8 million (he makes 6.3 now), which is a good price to hold on to him.

 

His cap hit is 8.7m. He makes 12m, and doesn't make less than $9m until 2023.

 

The Blackhawks are in a predicament with the Hossa contract, and I would not assume they will be willing to go right back into another deal that will require a similar ending, especially when Toews will get as much, or more.

 

Cap hit is really all that matters, not salary (you are right I had capgeek showing cap hit, not salary, but still). Anyway, Hossa was 30 in his first year on the Hawks, Kane will be 26 (Oh yeah, and Kane is better than Hossa was). Plus, you are ignoring the new CBA. Crosby signed his contract in the old CBA, the salary cap is lower now and contracts won't be as high. I think Toews will end up being around Crosby level for cap hit, and Kane will be around 1 million less. I would be surprised to see them move Kane, knowing how good he is.

Edited June 4, 2013 by New York Cubs Fan

[SABR Gamer]

new york cubs fan, you know that it's possible kane might want to sign somewhere else when he's a free agent, right? just because we want to keep him doesn't necessarily mean we'll have the option

 

That's true. I am basing my argument on the assumption that he'd like to stay. If he wants to go somewhere else, then my whole argument is out the window. I'd think Chicago is as good of a place to play as any, though.