Random Cubs Musings: Minor League Edition

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If you compare our pitching prospects (using how they were valued/projected at the time) from Oct. 2011 to now, I'm not sure we're any better.

[Guest]

If you compare our pitching prospects (using how they were valued/projected at the time) from Oct. 2011 to now, I'm not sure we're any better.

 

I'd put current Pierce Johnson, Vizcaino, Paniagua, Hendricks, Blackburn, Underwood, Zastryzny, Masek, Skulina, Clifton, and I guess Maples ahead of Oct. 2011 McNutt, Rhee, Carpenter and Maples.

 

Am I missing anyone? I tried to list anyone remotely interesting.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If you compare our pitching prospects (using how they were valued/projected at the time) from Oct. 2011 to now, I'm not sure we're any better.

 

I'd put current Pierce Johnson, Vizcaino, Paniagua, Hendricks, Blackburn, Underwood, Zastryzny, Masek, Skulina, Clifton, and I guess Maples ahead of Oct. 2011 McNutt, Rhee, Carpenter and Maples.

 

Am I missing anyone? I tried to list anyone remotely interesting.

 

Is 2013 Pierce Johnson better than 2011 McNutt?

 

Vizcaino's arm has fallen off, Paniagua is a 31-year-old international terrorist in disguise, and the rest is just the same generic compliation of 2nd-4th round picks that we've always had in the system.

[Guest]

If you compare our pitching prospects (using how they were valued/projected at the time) from Oct. 2011 to now, I'm not sure we're any better.

 

I'd put current Pierce Johnson, Vizcaino, Paniagua, Hendricks, Blackburn, Underwood, Zastryzny, Masek, Skulina, Clifton, and I guess Maples ahead of Oct. 2011 McNutt, Rhee, Carpenter and Maples.

 

Am I missing anyone? I tried to list anyone remotely interesting.

 

Is 2013 Pierce Johnson better than 2011 McNutt?

 

Vizcaino's arm has fallen off, Paniagua is a 31-year-old international terrorist in disguise, and the rest is just the same generic compliation of 2nd-4th round picks that we've always had in the system.

 

Than October 2011 McNutt? Well, McNutt had already been meh to bad at AA at that point, which Pierce hasn't done yet. So, yeah, I'd rather have current Pierce than October 2011 McNutt.

 

Those first two you said aren't actually close to the truth (or at least not close to meaning their value is as trivial as you are attempting to make it seem) and the last part is just not true. For one, the guys who picked them are much better than the guys who picked their pre-2012 counterparts.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

McNutt had better stuff, which should make up for the worse season. He was only a year removed from an even better season than Johnson is having, and would have been a few months younger.

 

I'm very uncomfortable with the "of course they're better, look who picked them!" argument.

 

Glancing over 2011 Boise and Peoria, here's some names I recall people liking at the time: Ben Wells, Jose Rosario, Austin Reed, Tony Zych, Wilengton Cruz, Cam Greathouse, Starlin Peralta, Austin Kirk, Matt Loosen, PJ Francescon, Frank Del Valle, Dallas Beeler. And we hadn't quite given up on Hayden Simpson yet.

[KingCubsFan]

If you compare our pitching prospects (using how they were valued/projected at the time) from Oct. 2011 to now, I'm not sure we're any better.

I think that's probably true. But our hitting talent is light years ahead. I don't really care which side we get the minor league talent, as long as it's there.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If you compare our pitching prospects (using how they were valued/projected at the time) from Oct. 2011 to now, I'm not sure we're any better.

I think that's probably true. But our hitting talent is light years ahead. I don't really care which side we get the minor league talent, as long as it's there.

 

That's certainly true. The hitting is miles and miles ahead. Before the 2011 draft, I don't think we had a single guy who projected to 20+ HRs in the majors (*maybe* Jackson if you really liked his power potential). Now we're overflowing with them.

[Tryptamine]

I'm not sure why you think Vizcaino's arm has suddenly fallen off just because he had some calcium removed. Sure it's an annoying set back, but it's not like his tendons are having any issues that will hinder him going forward.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm not sure why you think Vizcaino's arm has suddenly fallen off just because he had some calcium removed. Sure it's an annoying set back, but it's not like his tendons are having any issues that will hinder him going forward.

 

He had complications in the elbow that has ended three consecutive seasons for him, and he's never really had a healthy season. If he has Angel Guzman's career at this point, that's a pleasant surprise.

 

Did we ever have it confirmed where the calcium deposits were? They can be in the ligament.

[ctcf]

I'm not sure why you think Vizcaino's arm has suddenly fallen off just because he had some calcium removed. Sure it's an annoying set back, but it's not like his tendons are having any issues that will hinder him going forward.

 

He had complications in the elbow that has ended three consecutive seasons for him, and he's never really had a healthy season. If he has Angel Guzman's career at this point, that's a pleasant surprise.

 

Did we ever have it confirmed where the calcium deposits were? They can be in the ligament.

 

You're overreacting

[TruffleShuffle]

are any of boise's position players besides dunston interesting?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

are any of boise's position players besides dunston interesting?

 

Penalver and Balaguert are a little.

[Guest]

I'm surprised SCS hasn't pointed out Kevin Encarnacion's hot start in Boise.

[davell]

are any of boise's position players besides dunston interesting?

Penalver is more than a little interesting. He's probably got the best SS glove in our system, has a solid approach at the plate and started to show a bit of extra base pop during EXST this year. He received a 500k+ bonus a couple of years ago.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not sure why you think Vizcaino's arm has suddenly fallen off just because he had some calcium removed. Sure it's an annoying set back, but it's not like his tendons are having any issues that will hinder him going forward.

 

He had complications in the elbow that has ended three consecutive seasons for him, and he's never really had a healthy season. If he has Angel Guzman's career at this point, that's a pleasant surprise.

 

Did we ever have it confirmed where the calcium deposits were? They can be in the ligament.

 

You're overreacting

 

He probably is a little bit, because that's what he does.

However, pitching prospects are already iffy things to start. When guys go through a series of health setbacks this early in their career the chances of them having a healthy career are quite slim.

[CarolinaCubFan]

2B - S - Alcantara

CF - R - Almora

SS - R - Baez

1B - L - Rizzo

LF - R - Bryant

RF - R - Soler

3B - S - Candelario

Catcher

 

- or -

 

2B - S - Alcantara

CF - R - Almora

SS - R - Baez

DH - L - Vogelbach

LF - R - Bryant

RF - R - Soler

1B - L - Rizzo

3B - S - Candelario

Catcher

 

Trade Castro for a TOR pitcher.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Bryant is way more likely to play 3b in the majors than Candelario.

[davell]

Bryant is way more likely to play 3b in the majors than Candelario.

Why is that exactly?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Bryant is way more likely to play 3b in the majors than Candelario.

Why is that exactly?

 

Both more advanced and more athletic. Candelario is barely hanging on at 3b as it is.

[abohnhoff]

Bryant is way more likely to play 3b in the majors than Candelario.

Why is that exactly?

 

Both more advanced and more athletic. Candelario is barely hanging on at 3b as it is.

 

Your wide range of knowledge on nearly every prospect in the system is both amazing and amusing.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Your wide range of knowledge on nearly every prospect in the system is both amazing and amusing.

 

Happy to help.

[davell]

Bryant is way more likely to play 3b in the majors than Candelario.

Why is that exactly?

 

Both more advanced and more athletic. Candelario is barely hanging on at 3b as it is.

Candelario has gotten very solid reviews at 3B this year. Extremely likely he'll be able to stick there now. While Bryant will certainly start his career there, not even McLeod would come out and say they expect him to be there for long.

[Guest]

Bryant is way more likely to play 3b in the majors than Candelario.

Why is that exactly?

 

Both more advanced and more athletic. Candelario is barely hanging on at 3b as it is.

Candelario has gotten very solid reviews at 3B this year. Extremely likely he'll be able to stick there now. While Bryant will certainly start his career there, not even McLeod would come out and say they expect him to be there for long.

 

Yep, Kyle's info is outdated.

[Guest]

Bryant is way more likely to play 3b in the majors than Candelario.

Why is that exactly?

 

Both more advanced and more athletic. Candelario is barely hanging on at 3b as it is.

 

Your wide range of knowledge on nearly every prospect in the system is both amazing and amusing.

 

He's right.

[davell]

Bryant is way more likely to play 3b in the majors than Candelario.

Why is that exactly?

 

Both more advanced and more athletic. Candelario is barely hanging on at 3b as it is.

 

Your wide range of knowledge on nearly every prospect in the system is both amazing and amusing.

 

He's right.

No. He's not.