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Andy GOAT

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At this rate, Dale could be a goner by September

 

I'm really, really curious to see if there's any pressure on his job by the end of the year. My guess is no, but who knows?

Theo's not stupid, he knows there's nothing Dale can too with this team.

 

I can't say there's a great deal of things Dale does that I disagree with, which is better than I can say for any of his predecessors that I've followed.

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If he stops with the intentional walks that would be cool.

 

 

And the ninth inning stolen base attempts down by one. (although I don't know if he's to blame for that)

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I have no idea the answer to this question....but, how many/what managers have kept jobs after 2 consecutive 100 loss seasons?

 

It'd be tough to justify bringing him back for a third year

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Theo said Dale gets judged partially on win/loss record. Said they gave him a 69 win team to work with last year and they were on pace for that before the selloff. That said, we were likely a 75ish win team on paper heading into this season. So, he's got some work to do, in order to get into that range before selloff time this season. And yes, as I'm typing this, I fully understand the absurdity. Unfortunately, it is where we're at.
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I don't like the results, but I do like Sveum. I know its a low bar to pass, but never in my experience have I heard a manager say stuff like this: "It's not batting average. It's the on-base and the slugging percentage."
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At this rate, Dale could be a goner by September

 

I'm really, really curious to see if there's any pressure on his job by the end of the year. My guess is no, but who knows?

Theo's not stupid, he knows there's nothing Dale can too with this team.

 

I can't say there's a great deal of things Dale does that I disagree with, which is better than I can say for any of his predecessors that I've followed.

 

My theory is that Dale is essentially a prospect. They know that at this stage in his career, he's far from a great manager. However, they like his ideals and philosophy enough that they're willing to let him grow with the team and perhaps grow into a great manager. The type of on the job training teams will give a prospect or reclamation type when there's no better option available, and they know that at this point they know that the team is not in a position to spend on a higher profile replacement, or even replace him for the sake of replacing him, when the next guy likely won't be any better.

 

Truth be told, far too many first time managers seem to be let go after a few poor seasons, and sometimes it's simply not fair because they really have nothing to work with.

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LOL @ Jackson

 

worse than Garza

 

yup, definitely aramis fan

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It's the walks that bother me. Feldman having that one start skipped caused him to slip my mind.

 

And SCS, I've asked Tim to change my name before with no response so I just gave up.

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I mean, if you're going to put together a playoff rotation at this moment, he'd be 4th out of 4.

Based purely on results so far this season I'd go:

 

Shark

Villanueva

Jackson

Wood

 

I'd have Jackson second still based on overall expectations.

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Mine would be

 

Christy Matthewson

Walter Johnson

Sandy Koufax

Bob Gibson

 

As long as we're in fantasy land, may as well make it spectacular.

huh?

 

I take it you disagree with my rankings. Let me be blunt about how I think on this:

 

Shark has been exceptional to start the year. True ace stuff & results.

 

Villanueva has been one cut below that because he doesn't strike as many out.

 

Jackson has actually pitched pretty well other than the walks, which are coming down a bit.

 

Travis Wood has been terrible - and terribly lucky. None of his fly balls allowed has turned into a HR (not sustainable). He has a 39% GB/FB ratio, which will turn into a real problem when his HR/FB rate normalizes. He has a .232 BABIP (not sustainable). He has a high strand rate of 76.2% (not sustainable once everything else normalizes).

Andy GOAT

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Mine would be

 

Christy Matthewson

Walter Johnson

Sandy Koufax

Bob Gibson

 

As long as we're in fantasy land, may as well make it spectacular.

huh?

 

I take it you disagree with my rankings.

It was pretty obvious SCS was saying the idea of a Cubs' "playoff rotation" of any kind is insane, not because of any ranking you made.

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Mine would be

 

Christy Matthewson

Walter Johnson

Sandy Koufax

Bob Gibson

 

As long as we're in fantasy land, may as well make it spectacular.

huh?

 

I take it you disagree with my rankings.

It was pretty obvious SCS was saying the idea of a Cubs' "playoff rotation" of any kind is insane, not because of any ranking you made.

 

More so that our chances of having to put togther a playoff rotation than the rotation itself. As far as the best possible 1-4 with our current guys, Tims looks about right, though Garza-Shark-Jax-Villanueva/Wood would be the best. And in a somewhat realistic fantasy land, Price-Garza-Shark-Jackson would be about right.

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I don't see a scenario that has Garza and Price in our rotation.

If Garza comes back healthy enough that we would want to keep him it would seem his trade value would be too high to keep. If he comes back ok, I don't see why we would pay the money to keep him again.

I have to think we aren't signing two front end of the rotation guys in the offseason at least not with all the other holes we have to fill.

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