Lillibridge

[jersey cubs fan]

You know your team isn't very good when there's discussion about who the 25th man on the roster should be.

 

This makes no [expletive] sense

 

If you have a good team, the discussion is about the players that actually contribute on a daily basis. We're discussing which of 4-5 candidates ought to sitting on the end of the bench or DFAd.

 

The fact that you are discussing who is the best fit for the end of the bench in no way shape for form indicates your team is bad. If your team was good and the starters were mostly settled then it would make perfect sense to focus on bench spots, seeing as how that is the way you can find the marginal improvement that matters to teams in contention.

[Backtobanks]

You know your team isn't very good when there's discussion about who the 25th man on the roster should be.

 

This makes no [expletive] sense

 

If you have a good team, the discussion is about the players that actually contribute on a daily basis. We're discussing which of 4-5 candidates ought to sitting on the end of the bench or DFAd.

 

The fact that you are discussing who is the best fit for the end of the bench in no way shape for form indicates your team is bad. If your team was good and the starters were mostly settled then it would make perfect sense to focus on bench spots, seeing as how that is the way you can find the marginal improvement that matters to teams in contention.

 

"Bench spots" is different from the 25th guy on a roster. If a team is a good team and in contention with settled starters, then 2-3 of the non-pitching bench players might play a serious role making a marginal improvement in helping the team. The 25th player is emergency filler for most teams.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Besides the incredibly dumb idea of "we shouldn't care about some roster decisions and wouldn't if the team was better," Lillibridge isn't the 25th man.

[Backtobanks]

Besides the incredibly dumb idea of "we shouldn't care about some roster decisions and wouldn't if the team was better," Lillibridge isn't the 25th man.

 

 

"Lillibridge isn't the 25th man" really shows how bad this team must be.

[UMFan83]

You know your team isn't very good when there's discussion about who the 25th man on the roster should be.

 

This makes no [expletive] sense

 

If you have a good team, the discussion is about the players that actually contribute on a daily basis. We're discussing which of 4-5 candidates ought to sitting on the end of the bench or DFAd.

 

The fact that you are discussing who is the best fit for the end of the bench in no way shape for form indicates your team is bad. If your team was good and the starters were mostly settled then it would make perfect sense to focus on bench spots, seeing as how that is the way you can find the marginal improvement that matters to teams in contention.

 

"Bench spots" is different from the 25th guy on a roster. If a team is a good team and in contention with settled starters, then 2-3 of the non-pitching bench players might play a serious role making a marginal improvement in helping the team. The 25th player is emergency filler for most teams.

 

No it's not. Unless you are referring to a mop up man or long reliever. In that case Lillibridge isn't the 25th man. If you are referring to the bench most teams keep 4-5 bench guys usually a backup catcher, 2 backup IFs and 2 backup OFs. They are necessary to give the team a number of things including: defensive subs, positional versatility, the ability to hit lefties/righties for key situations, power option, pinch running, potential platoon partner, potential DH during interleague play.

 

Those 4-5 bench spots make a big difference and fans of every team have a legit reason to worry about them.

[RynoRules]

It bothers me that we waste a roster spot on him. He doesn't have a future with the team and doesn't contribute in any meaningful way now. At least give the spot to someone who we need to see play against ML competition and/or who can help us win games.

[sneakypower]

Besides the incredibly dumb idea of "we shouldn't care about some roster decisions and wouldn't if the team was better," Lillibridge isn't the 25th man.

 

 

"Lillibridge isn't the 25th man" really shows how bad this team must be.

a World Series representative last year gave over 1100 PA combined to two sub-replacement players; you're just coming off stupid

[Backtobanks]

Besides the incredibly dumb idea of "we shouldn't care about some roster decisions and wouldn't if the team was better," Lillibridge isn't the 25th man.

 

 

"Lillibridge isn't the 25th man" really shows how bad this team must be.

a World Series representative last year gave over 1100 PA combined to two sub-replacement players; you're just coming off stupid

 

And neither player was named Lillibridge or as bad as Lillibridge.

[SouthSideRyan]

Besides the incredibly dumb idea of "we shouldn't care about some roster decisions and wouldn't if the team was better," Lillibridge isn't the 25th man.

 

 

"Lillibridge isn't the 25th man" really shows how bad this team must be.

a World Series representative last year gave over 1100 PA combined to two sub-replacement players; you're just coming off stupid

 

And neither player was named Lillibridge or as bad as Lillibridge.

 

Emmanuel Burriss was twice as bad as Lillibridge's worst season by WAR. But you're right, you have an excellent point about his last name not being Lillibridge.

 

ETA: Not that Giants fans cared, they were all, we got Buster Posey ya'll, who gives a [expletive] about some Burriss [expletive]

[Backtobanks]

I don't really care about a player like Lillibridge being the 25th player on the roster, the point is that we have 4-5 players that could be considered the 25th guy on the roster. Every team has a 25th guy which is basically roster filler in an emergency.

[neely crenshaw]

As bad as our RH platoon guys have been(small sample size) how long until we go to at least a modified approach. As well as Schierholtz has played/hit and with DeJesus heating up, I'm kind of sad to see them sit.

It does seem that Castillo has the catching job most days regardless of pitcher.

[Guest]

The end of the Nationals bench is Roger Bernadina, Tyler Moore, and Steve Lombardozzi

 

The Giants: Nick Noonan, Joaquin Arias, and Guillermo Quiroz

 

The Cardinals: Ty Wigginton, Shane Robinson, and Ryan Jackson

 

The Reds: Cesar Izturis, Xavier Paul, and Derrick Robinson

 

The Dodgers starting left side of the infield is currently Justin Sellers and Luis Cruz

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That's certainly a lot of names, most of whom I think are noticeably better than Brent Lillibridge. I'm not entirely sure what the point was, but I can't deny the sheer quantity of names.

[Guest]

The point is that Backtobanks doesn't have a point. The ends of benches are full of bad players(and that's just the best teams in the NL on that list), thrashing about with some weird non sequitur about how the Cubs have x number of 25th man is just that, aimlessly thrashing about without a point.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Just going off of the first name on the list, Roger Bernadina has six MLB seasons for 2.2 fWAR, only one of those seasons being under replacement.

 

Brent Lillibridge has six MLB seasons for -1.5 fWAR, and only one of those seasons wasn't below replacement.

 

Lumping them into the same generic category of "bad" is an attempt to gloss over what a bad decision having Lillibridge be our 6th infielder was.

[SouthSideRyan]

Just going off of the first name on the list, Roger Bernadina has six MLB seasons for 2.2 fWAR, only one of those seasons being under replacement.

 

Brent Lillibridge has six MLB seasons for -1.5 fWAR, and only one of those seasons wasn't below replacement.

 

Lumping them into the same generic category of "bad" is an attempt to gloss over what a bad decision having Lillibridge be our 6th infielder was.

 

That doesn't mean backtobanks has a point.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That doesn't mean backtobanks has a point.

 

I'm trying to steer the conversation back to something interesting.

[Guest]

That doesn't mean backtobanks has a point.

 

I'm trying to steer the conversation back to something interesting.

 

Agree to disagree.

[Backtobanks]

Just going off of the first name on the list, Roger Bernadina has six MLB seasons for 2.2 fWAR, only one of those seasons being under replacement.

 

Brent Lillibridge has six MLB seasons for -1.5 fWAR, and only one of those seasons wasn't below replacement.

 

Lumping them into the same generic category of "bad" is an attempt to gloss over what a bad decision having Lillibridge be our 6th infielder was.

 

That doesn't mean backtobanks has a point.

 

I love how SSR loves statistics until it disproves what he posted.

[Banedon]

Just going off of the first name on the list, Roger Bernadina has six MLB seasons for 2.2 fWAR, only one of those seasons being under replacement.

 

Brent Lillibridge has six MLB seasons for -1.5 fWAR, and only one of those seasons wasn't below replacement.

 

Lumping them into the same generic category of "bad" is an attempt to gloss over what a bad decision having Lillibridge be our 6th infielder was.

 

That doesn't mean backtobanks has a point.

 

I love how SSR loves statistics until it disproves what he posted.

 

It doesn't disprove the point that SSR was making. Settle down.

 

SSR's (and many others') point is that the end of benches are filled with bad players. Period. Just because bad player X is slightly better than bad player Y doesn't mean that they aren't both bad players. And it doesn't prove that somehow the existence of Lillibridge on our roster conclusively means the Cubs are bad.

 

The Cubs being bad is independent of that fact. Or at best, Lillibridge is only 1/25th of the reason for the Cubs being bad.

[neely crenshaw]

The problem isn't that he's our 25th man, it's that with barney out he is a regular. AND a huge fear could be that he is a regular RH platoon guy(at 3rd) even when barney is back.

He's also an easy target, it'll take quite a bit of time until the top of the order catches the heck that he has-even though they probably deserve more.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The problem isn't that he's our 25th man, it's that with barney out he is a regular. AND a huge fear could be that he is a regular RH platoon guy(at 3rd) even when barney is back.

He's also an easy target, it'll take quite a bit of time until the top of the order catches the heck that he has-even though they probably deserve more.

 

Pretty much. Truth is, a lot of big league managers were gritty 25th men in their playing days, and as a result, they overvalue these guys. Lillibridge as a 25th man wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but the problem is he's our 23rd man and worse than our 24th and 25th men, each of whom are pretty bad. The main difference between Lillibridge and Theriot is that Lillibridge doesn't have the delusional fans who think he's better than he is. Sadly, his manager does.

[SABR Gamer]

The problem isn't that he's our 25th man, it's that with barney out he is a regular. AND a huge fear could be that he is a regular RH platoon guy(at 3rd) even when barney is back.

He's also an easy target, it'll take quite a bit of time until the top of the order catches the heck that he has-even though they probably deserve more.

 

Pretty much. Truth is, a lot of big league managers were gritty 25th men in their playing days, and as a result, they overvalue these guys. Lillibridge as a 25th man wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but the problem is he's our 23rd man and worse than our 24th and 25th men, each of whom are pretty bad. The main difference between Lillibridge and Theriot is that Lillibridge doesn't have the delusional fans who think he's better than he is. Sadly, his manager does.

 

How about Theriot was actually decent at baseball?

[Guest]

 

The Cubs being bad is independent of that fact. Or at best, Lillibridge is only 1/25th of the reason for the Cubs being bad.

He's way more than 1/25. But I get the point.

 

I'm telling everyone right now, Ian Stewart will rake when he gets in baseball shape. Book it!!!

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Lillibridge as a 25th man is also pretty bad. He's unquestionably a subreplacement player. In theory, he should never be on an MLB roster for any reason. In practice? He should be no more than your 7th infielder stashed at AAA.