The Ricketts Ownership

[mookie]

Felix Pie has finally given back to this organization.

[rocket]

Posts should have a 'like' button like on Facebook

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That's an awful lot of words that are trying to say "I'm not a dumb bully, I'm really cool!"

 

Don't worry. I believe you are cool. You are not only cooler than me, but actually cool.

[SABR Gamer]

Kyle's only response is to dodge every time anyone makes an attempt to call him out.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Kyle's only response is to dodge every time anyone makes an attempt to call him out.

 

Dodge what?

 

"You post a lot, and you annoy me!" is the complaint, as far as I can tell. I do post a lot, and I'm assuming he's not lying about me annoying him. So, points conceded?

[Guest]

Kyle's only response is to dodge every time anyone makes an attempt to call him out.

 

Dodge what?

 

"You post a lot, and you annoy me!" is the complaint, as far as I can tell. I do post a lot, and I'm assuming he's not lying about me annoying him. So, points conceded?

 

Yea, then you aren't very good at telling.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yea, then you aren't very good at telling.

 

Well, there's also some stuff about my value to the world as a human being, but that's probably a bit off-topic and not really his business.

[Tracer Bullet]

Yea, then you aren't very good at telling.

 

Well, there's also some stuff about my value to the world as a human being, but that's probably a bit off-topic and not really his business.

 

says the guy who called someone "nothing more than an internet bully."

[Hairyducked Idiot]

says the guy who called someone "nothing more than an internet bully."

 

Fair point. I should have said "Your presence here is nothing more than internet bullying."

 

I have no idea what he is outside of here.

 

seanimal, I apologize for calling you an internet bully. While I do think your time here could be spent more productively than just attacking people, it isn't right for me to name-call like that.

[seanimal]

Well, there's also some stuff about my value to the world as a human being, but that's probably a bit off-topic and not really his business.

 

i'm sorry, but you don't get to cast out the details of your personal life for consumption by complete strangers and then turn around and say "hey all that unsolicited information i shared with you... that's none of your business"

 

furthermore, i have no idea what your value to the world as a human being is, if that's even a thing that could be measured. what i was saying was that SURELY the time you invest laying waste to the far reaches of chicago cubs internet fandom could be more productively spent elsewhere doing something, anything other sitting in your home with your pasty face awash in the glow of nsbb, bcb, et al.

 

I should have said "Your presence here is nothing more than internet bullying."

 

this is how bad you are at analysis; by your own count, internet bullying only constitutes 25% of my presence here

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm more concerned with how incessantly off-topic it is than the fact that it isn't your business. Sure, you'd think that essential basic humanity would mean that sharing personal details doesn't justify blistering personal attacks, but I'm willing to let that slide because occasionally they are funny enough that I'd hate to see those attacks go completely away.

 

But this could have been a thread about the Ricketts ownership. Instead, it's become another thread about me. I can only assume that's what you and others want, because some seem incredibly incapable of not turning that into the subject of many threads. So, congratulations?

[Sammys Boombox]

If this renovation deal turns out favorable for the Cubs will any of you no voters change to yes voters?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If this renovation deal turns out favorable for the Cubs will any of you no voters change to yes voters?

 

It'd be a good start.

[davell]

If this renovation deal turns out favorable for the Cubs will any of you no voters change to yes voters?

What counts as a win here? Every other team gets public funding and we were looking like we were heading that direction too, until the Joe Ricketts crap came out. For that reason alone, its already a loss, isn't it? Negotiating win against Tunney? Thats not a win for me. Beating our chest because we're the business that keeps everything else booming and they're allowing us to fund everything ourselves while capitalizing bigtime from us? Sorry, but the minute the 150 mill public funding waived bye-bye, the chance for a win waved bye-bye too. Most teams can manage to get help, but we couldn't. Loss.

[seanimal]

I'm more concerned with how incessantly off-topic it is than the fact that it isn't your business. Sure, you'd think that essential basic humanity would mean that sharing personal details doesn't justify blistering personal attacks, but I'm willing to let that slide because occasionally they are funny enough that I'd hate to see those attacks go completely away.

 

lol, let that slide? and what exactly would your recourse be? you know, if you wouldn't "let that slide"? and if you're so concerned about how "incessantly off-topic" this was, maybe you should scroll up and notice that i was responding to something you said. about you. which brings us to

 

But this could have been a thread about the Ricketts ownership. Instead, it's become another thread about me. I can only assume that's what you and others want, because some seem incredibly incapable of not turning that into the subject of many threads. So, congratulations?

 

a person... that is, a healthy person, does not lay constant vigil to every knowable, commentable stop along the digital highway in which the word "cubs" may appear and manually spam them with every conceivable variation of the same, useless thoughts. unless that person is looking for attention

 

you see, kyle, none of these threads turn you because any of us want to talk about you. it becomes an unavoidable topic when you compose a third of the posts in a multi-page thread. that's not normal, and, as many, many different posters have tried to point out to you, is not at all desirable

 

and let's be serious. this was never supposed to be a legitimate discussion about the ricketts' tenure as owner of the cubs. all this ever was supposed to be was kyle's little thing where he gets people to express an opinion other than his own and then pounce. "glad he bought the team" or "wish we had someone else"? lol, so, my options are "reality" or "the infinite permutations of not reality"? what a great discussion starter!

 

but you don't want discussion kyle, you want attention, and you want to be right. in that order. and that's sad

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I find that so weird. Sure, I love being right. Sure, I love posting about the Cubs more than is probably healthy. And as far as post ratios go, I wish there were 15 people posting just as often as me every day. I've never quite understood why lack of activity is considered desirable for a message board.

 

But liking the attention? It's annoying as hell. Of course I don't like it.

[mookie]

Hi Kyle

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I want to be Kyle's friend IRL.

[Sammy Sofa]

But liking the attention? It's annoying as hell. Of course I don't like it.

 

That might be the most ridiculous bit of bull [expletive] ever posted here. Which is oddly impressive.

[Sammys Boombox]

If this renovation deal turns out favorable for the Cubs will any of you no voters change to yes voters?

What counts as a win here? Every other team gets public funding and we were looking like we were heading that direction too, until the Joe Ricketts crap came out. For that reason alone, its already a loss, isn't it? Negotiating win against Tunney? Thats not a win for me. Beating our chest because we're the business that keeps everything else booming and they're allowing us to fund everything ourselves while capitalizing bigtime from us? Sorry, but the minute the 150 mill public funding waived bye-bye, the chance for a win waved bye-bye too. Most teams can manage to get help, but we couldn't. Loss.

 

It shouldn't matter how off the wall Joe Ricketts' ads were. Rahm should be doing what is best for the city not using city funding to slap a business owner on the wrist because they don't like their dad's choice of presidential candidate and made a stupid ad. Rahm believed that giving that money for the renovation was either good or bad for the city before the ad came out. That ad should not have changed his opinion. If that ad truly cost the Cubs renovation money then be mad at Rahm, not Ricketts.

 

Can you really be upset with the Ricketts because they apparently aren't playing dirty Chicago politics? Sure it would be great for the team if they could get public funding to improve their stadium, but it looks to me like A) nobody was going to get that money from the city or B) nobody was going to get that money honestly or ethically from the city.

 

The Ricketts are victims of Chicago politics. You can't blame the landmark issues that were contrived in 2004 by Tunney to protect the people giving him some sort of kickbacks on Ricketts. You can't use the fact that every other team gets funding to knock the Ricketts. No other team has the ridiculous restrictions placed on them by their municipal government. That was done before the Ricketts bought the team.

[jersey cubs fan]

If this renovation deal turns out favorable for the Cubs will any of you no voters change to yes voters?

What counts as a win here? Every other team gets public funding and we were looking like we were heading that direction too, until the Joe Ricketts crap came out. For that reason alone, its already a loss, isn't it? Negotiating win against Tunney? Thats not a win for me. Beating our chest because we're the business that keeps everything else booming and they're allowing us to fund everything ourselves while capitalizing bigtime from us? Sorry, but the minute the 150 mill public funding waived bye-bye, the chance for a win waved bye-bye too. Most teams can manage to get help, but we couldn't. Loss.

 

It shouldn't matter how off the wall Joe Ricketts' ads were. Rahm should be doing what is best for the city not using city funding to slap a business owner on the wrist because they don't like their dad's choice of presidential candidate and made a stupid ad. Rahm believed that giving that money for the renovation was either good or bad for the city before the ad came out. That ad should not have changed his opinion. If that ad truly cost the Cubs renovation money then be mad at Rahm, not Ricketts.

 

Can you really be upset with the Ricketts because they apparently aren't playing dirty Chicago politics? Sure it would be great for the team if they could get public funding to improve their stadium, but it looks to me like A) nobody was going to get that money from the city or B) nobody was going to get that money honestly or ethically from the city.

 

The Ricketts are victims of Chicago politics. You can't blame the landmark issues that were contrived in 2004 by Tunney to protect the people giving him some sort of kickbacks on Ricketts. You can't use the fact that every other team gets funding to knock the Ricketts. No other team has the ridiculous restrictions placed on them by their municipal government. That was done before the Ricketts bought the team.

 

Oh come on.

 

Should? What does "should" have to do with political reality? If business owners cannot operate under the obvious political constraints in place then they aren't good business owners.

[Sammy Sofa]

I really think the Joe Ricketts stuff was ultimately just an out for Rahm to make a big stink and make it easier for him to refuse the Cubs on any public funding requests. With the current economic status of the city there was basically no way they could sell giving the Cubs a ton of money without too many people getting pissed off.

[Sammys Boombox]

If this renovation deal turns out favorable for the Cubs will any of you no voters change to yes voters?

What counts as a win here? Every other team gets public funding and we were looking like we were heading that direction too, until the Joe Ricketts crap came out. For that reason alone, its already a loss, isn't it? Negotiating win against Tunney? Thats not a win for me. Beating our chest because we're the business that keeps everything else booming and they're allowing us to fund everything ourselves while capitalizing bigtime from us? Sorry, but the minute the 150 mill public funding waived bye-bye, the chance for a win waved bye-bye too. Most teams can manage to get help, but we couldn't. Loss.

 

It shouldn't matter how off the wall Joe Ricketts' ads were. Rahm should be doing what is best for the city not using city funding to slap a business owner on the wrist because they don't like their dad's choice of presidential candidate and made a stupid ad. Rahm believed that giving that money for the renovation was either good or bad for the city before the ad came out. That ad should not have changed his opinion. If that ad truly cost the Cubs renovation money then be mad at Rahm, not Ricketts.

 

Can you really be upset with the Ricketts because they apparently aren't playing dirty Chicago politics? Sure it would be great for the team if they could get public funding to improve their stadium, but it looks to me like A) nobody was going to get that money from the city or B) nobody was going to get that money honestly or ethically from the city.

 

The Ricketts are victims of Chicago politics. You can't blame the landmark issues that were contrived in 2004 by Tunney to protect the people giving him some sort of kickbacks on Ricketts. You can't use the fact that every other team gets funding to knock the Ricketts. No other team has the ridiculous restrictions placed on them by their municipal government. That was done before the Ricketts bought the team.

 

Oh come on.

 

Should? What does "should" have to do with political reality? If business owners cannot operate under the obvious political constraints in place then they aren't good business owners.

 

Outside of buying Rahm/Tunney, how do you know that any other owner would have been able to receive public funding from the city?

[Sammys Boombox]

I really think the Joe Ricketts stuff was ultimately just an out for Rahm to make a big stink and make it easier for him to refuse the Cubs on any public funding requests. With the current economic status of the city there was basically no way they could sell giving the Cubs a ton of money without too many people getting pissed off.

 

This is what I think as well. I don't think the ad cost the Cubs any money, but if it did I'm not upset with the Cubs. I'd be upset with Rahm.

[jersey cubs fan]

Outside of buying Rahm/Tunney, how do you know that any other owner would have been able to receive public funding from the city?

What's the point of that question? I never said they could. But they could have made it more difficult to refuse and at least allowed for negotiations to go more smoothly.

 

You start with thought of the city kicking in something financially and work down to where the Cubs pay and get what they want. Instead, you back yourself into a corner and force to negotiate from the other direction.