2013-14 International Free Agency Thread

July 2, 2013

Erling Moreno signs for $800,000: http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/no-16-international-prospect-erling-moreno/

Seems like there's a lot of projection there.

July 2, 2013

@kileymcd: Others July 2nd news: Cleveland signs Junior Soto/OF/DR, Atlanta signs Jason Laguna/RHP/Nicaragua, Cubs sign Johan Matos/C/DR.

bukie · July 2, 2013

So to this point...

Cubs bonus pool         $4,557,000
Cubs add from Astros   +$  784,000
Cubs add from Orioles  +$  388,000
==================================
                       $5,729,000
Cubs give Dodgers      -$  209,000
==================================
                       $5,520,000
Cubs sign Torres       -$1,700,000
Cubs sign Mejia        -$  850,000
==================================
Remaining IFA Budget:   $2,970,000

July 2, 2013

So to this point...

Cubs bonus pool         $4,557,000
Cubs add from Astros   +$  784,000
Cubs add from Orioles  +$  388,000
==================================
                       $5,729,000
Cubs give Dodgers      -$  209,000
==================================
                       $5,520,000
Cubs sign Torres       -$1,700,000
Cubs sign Mejia        -$  850,000
==================================
Remaining IFA Budget:   $2,970,000

They just signe Moreno for $800,000.

The question I have is if the acquired bonus pools are also eligible for the 5% overage without surrendering anything next year. That opens them up for another $50,000-ish.

Hairyducked Idiot · July 2, 2013

That seems like it would leave them short on Jimenez's reported bonuses, for the moment, right?

mul21 · July 2, 2013

By my math, that leaves them $3,018,150 minus the $800k to Moreno. So, $2,218,150 left for Jiminez. Maybe he signs for less than expected. Or there's more weird slot bonus deals.

July 2, 2013

So to this point...
Cubs bonus pool         $4,557,000
Cubs add from Astros   +$  784,000
Cubs add from Orioles  +$  388,000
==================================
                       $5,729,000
Cubs give Dodgers      -$  209,000
==================================
                       $5,520,000
Cubs sign Torres       -$1,700,000
Cubs sign Mejia        -$  850,000
==================================
Remaining IFA Budget:   $2,970,000
They just signe Moreno for $800,000.

The question I have is if the acquired bonus pools are also eligible for the 5% overage without surrendering anything next year. That opens them up for another $50,000-ish.

Why is it only 50,000ish?

Wouldn't it be 5% of all their bonus money? Or is that bonus pool number including the overage?

BeerHere · July 2, 2013

By my math, that leaves them $3,018,150 minus the $800k to Moreno. So, $2,218,150 left for Jiminez. Maybe he signs for less than expected. Or there's more weird slot bonus deals.

Or they realized that Jimenez will sign elsewhere.

July 2, 2013

So to this point...
Cubs bonus pool         $4,557,000
Cubs add from Astros   +$  784,000
Cubs add from Orioles  +$  388,000
==================================
                       $5,729,000
Cubs give Dodgers      -$  209,000
==================================
                       $5,520,000
Cubs sign Torres       -$1,700,000
Cubs sign Mejia        -$  850,000
==================================
Remaining IFA Budget:   $2,970,000
They just signe Moreno for $800,000.

The question I have is if the acquired bonus pools are also eligible for the 5% overage without surrendering anything next year. That opens them up for another $50,000-ish.
Why is it only 50,000ish?

Wouldn't it be 5% of all their bonus money? Or is that bonus pool number including the overage?

You're right - I assumed bukie had included the overage in the Cubs' pool but he hadn't.

If you can count 5% overages for all pool space, they had a total of $5,576,130 to work with.

Cubs 1: $2,873,000

Cubs 2: $462,300

Cubs 3: $312,100

Cubs 4: <$209,700>

Cubs base: $700,000

Orioles 3: $237,200

Orioles 4: $150,900

Astros 2: $468,400

Astros 3: $316,300

Equals $5,310,600

Times 5% overage = $5,576,130

Torres: $1,700,000

Mejia: $850,000

Moreno: $800,000

Equals $3,350,000

Leaving $2,226,130 for Jimenez.

wekim81 · July 2, 2013

minus what we signed that C Johan Matos for (unless you guys think its 250K or lower).

davell · July 2, 2013

Yeah, I think Jimenez could be going elsewhere, unless we've got another deal for more money up our sleeves. We can still acquire over a mill more, if we want to.

davell · July 2, 2013

minus what we signed that C Johan Matos for (unless you guys think its 250K or lower).

My honest guess is he'll be 50,000 or under. I've seen bonuses as low as 30,000 get reported today, with plenty of 100k types being mentioned.

July 2, 2013

So to this point...
Cubs bonus pool         $4,557,000
Cubs add from Astros   +$  784,000
Cubs add from Orioles  +$  388,000
==================================
                       $5,729,000
Cubs give Dodgers      -$  209,000
==================================
                       $5,520,000
Cubs sign Torres       -$1,700,000
Cubs sign Mejia        -$  850,000
==================================
Remaining IFA Budget:   $2,970,000
They just signe Moreno for $800,000.

The question I have is if the acquired bonus pools are also eligible for the 5% overage without surrendering anything next year. That opens them up for another $50,000-ish.
Why is it only 50,000ish?

Wouldn't it be 5% of all their bonus money? Or is that bonus pool number including the overage?
You're right - I assumed bukie had included the overage in the Cubs' pool but he hadn't.

If you can count 5% overages for all pool space, they had a total of $5,576,130 to work with.

Cubs 1: $2,873,000
Cubs 2: $462,300
Cubs 3: $312,100
Cubs 4: <$209,700>
Cubs base: $700,000
Orioles 3: $237,200
Orioles 4: $150,900
Astros 2: $468,400
Astros 3: $316,300
Equals $5,310,600
Times 5% overage = $5,576,130

Torres: $1,700,000
Mejia: $850,000
Moreno: $800,000
Equals $3,350,000

Leaving $2,226,130 for Jimenez.

Hmm. Parks had Eloy in the 2.5-2.7 range (so, a bit less than Badler, IIRC).

davell · July 2, 2013

The Rangers have already gone 2.5 mill over their amount. So they're paying 75% on that, plus anything else they do. If they paid Jimenez 2.5, they're basically spending 11mill for a 7 mill talent haul. With no ability to buy big next year. Worth it? I think so. Even if its not them, the Twins have been tied to Jimenez as well, have a budget of almost 4 mill and have yet to spend of it. The Indians also have done nothing and have over 3.5 to throw around.

Hrubes20 · July 2, 2013

So to this point...
Cubs bonus pool         $4,557,000
Cubs add from Astros   +$  784,000
Cubs add from Orioles  +$  388,000
==================================
                       $5,729,000
Cubs give Dodgers      -$  209,000
==================================
                       $5,520,000
Cubs sign Torres       -$1,700,000
Cubs sign Mejia        -$  850,000
==================================
Remaining IFA Budget:   $2,970,000
They just signe Moreno for $800,000.

The question I have is if the acquired bonus pools are also eligible for the 5% overage without surrendering anything next year. That opens them up for another $50,000-ish.
Why is it only 50,000ish?

Wouldn't it be 5% of all their bonus money? Or is that bonus pool number including the overage?
You're right - I assumed bukie had included the overage in the Cubs' pool but he hadn't.

If you can count 5% overages for all pool space, they had a total of $5,576,130 to work with.

Cubs 1: $2,873,000
Cubs 2: $462,300
Cubs 3: $312,100
Cubs 4: <$209,700>
Cubs base: $700,000
Orioles 3: $237,200
Orioles 4: $150,900
Astros 2: $468,400
Astros 3: $316,300
Equals $5,310,600
Times 5% overage = $5,576,130

Torres: $1,700,000
Mejia: $850,000
Moreno: $800,000
Equals $3,350,000

Leaving $2,226,130 for Jimenez.

I get over 2.4 million left.

Original pool - 4,557,000

+ Astros 784,000

+ O's 388, 000

- Dodgers 209,000

= 5,520,000

x 1.05 (overage before penalties kick in)

= 5,796,000

- Torres 1,700,000

- Mejia 850,000

- Moreno 800,000

= $2,446,000 left for Jiminez.

bukie · July 2, 2013

Assuming 5% overages:

                          Standard          5% Over
---------------------------------------------------
Cubs bonus pool         $4,557,000       $4,784,850
Cubs add from Astros   +$  784,000      +$  823,200
Cubs add from Orioles  +$  388,000      +$  407,400
===================================================
                       $5,729,000       $6,015,450
Cubs give Dodgers      -$  209,000      -$  219,450
===================================================
                       $5,520,000       $5,796,000
Cubs sign Torres       -$1,700,000      -$1,700,000
Cubs sign Mejia        -$  850,000      -$  850,000
Cubs sign Moreno       -$  800,000      -$  800,000
===================================================
Remaining IFA Budget:   $2,170,000       $2,446,000

davell · July 2, 2013

Ooh, Hrubes is right. Cleveland just spent 1.5 mill as well. Texas and Twins would seem to be the competition on Jimenez, at this point.

davell · July 2, 2013

Twins just signed Lewin Diaz for 1.4, they'd have to spend the rest of their budget to get Jimenez.

Little Slide Rooter · July 2, 2013

If we were able to get some for Clevenger, surely we can spin a few more of our scraps for a few more.

Irrelevant Dude · July 2, 2013

If we were able to get some for Clevenger, surely we can spin a few more of our scraps for a few more.

Brett Jackson must be worth at least $10.

ctcf · July 2, 2013

Always nice to get a reply

Kiley McDaniel @kileymcd
Yes and likely soon. RT @breid4 Do you still see the Cubs signing Jimenez?

July 2, 2013

So to this point...
Cubs bonus pool         $4,557,000
Cubs add from Astros   +$  784,000
Cubs add from Orioles  +$  388,000
==================================
                       $5,729,000
Cubs give Dodgers      -$  209,000
==================================
                       $5,520,000
Cubs sign Torres       -$1,700,000
Cubs sign Mejia        -$  850,000
==================================
Remaining IFA Budget:   $2,970,000
They just signe Moreno for $800,000.

The question I have is if the acquired bonus pools are also eligible for the 5% overage without surrendering anything next year. That opens them up for another $50,000-ish.
Why is it only 50,000ish?

Wouldn't it be 5% of all their bonus money? Or is that bonus pool number including the overage?
You're right - I assumed bukie had included the overage in the Cubs' pool but he hadn't.

If you can count 5% overages for all pool space, they had a total of $5,576,130 to work with.

Cubs 1: $2,873,000
Cubs 2: $462,300
Cubs 3: $312,100
Cubs 4: <$209,700>
Cubs base: $700,000
Orioles 3: $237,200
Orioles 4: $150,900
Astros 2: $468,400
Astros 3: $316,300
Equals $5,310,600
Times 5% overage = $5,576,130

Torres: $1,700,000
Mejia: $850,000
Moreno: $800,000
Equals $3,350,000

Leaving $2,226,130 for Jimenez.
I get over 2.4 million left.

Original pool - 4,557,000
+ Astros 784,000
+ O's 388, 000
- Dodgers 209,000
= 5,520,000
x 1.05 (overage before penalties kick in)
= 5,796,000
- Torres 1,700,000
- Mejia 850,000
- Moreno 800,000
= $2,446,000 left for Jiminez.

You're right. I subtracted what the Dodgers got twice.

Bobson Dugnutt · July 3, 2013

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@JesseSanchezMLB 1m
Source: OF prospect Eloy Jimenez & fam decide on #Cubs but another team was in mix & offered more $$. Expect announcement in next few days.

davell · July 3, 2013

‏
@JesseSanchezMLB 1m
Source: OF prospect Eloy Jimenez & fam decide on #Cubs but another team was in mix & offered more $$. Expect announcement in next few days.

Sweet. [expletive] you Texas, or whoever else it was.

gscool89 · July 3, 2013

‏
@JesseSanchezMLB 1m
Source: OF prospect Eloy Jimenez & fam decide on #Cubs but another team was in mix & offered more $$. Expect announcement in next few days.

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