College Football - Championship Week (Dec. 1)

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I think the reality of this season in CFB is that there really is not any elite teams. Because of scheduling quirks several SEC schools have really good records, but that has more to do with the lack of quality teams at the back end of the SEC. I don't think anyone is thinking about comparing any SEC team this year with either Alabama or LSU last season. Is ND great, probably not, but they were good/lucky enough to win all their games. Heck Alabama probably got "lucky" yesterday. Is that any different than ND getting lucky against Stanford? I think Alabama is going to win, but I don't think they are substantially better than ND. No matter what anyone believes, there is no question that ND belongs in the title game with the current system. I think there could be an argument made that Oregon deserves to get in instead of Alabama. I am not saying it is a good argument but it could be made.

 

Yes, there was nothing controversial about yesterday's game.

 

Nor the Stanford game. The NCAA head of officials said the call was correct. There's only controversy for those that want to make one up.

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Even if we chuck Alabama's obviously lesser opponents out the window, the Tide's defense gave up 13 points per game. Does anyone honestly believe that Notre Dame's defense is better because Alabama gave up a handful of touchdowns when they were up by 20-30 points?

 

You're just pulling things out of the air now.

[Guest]

I think the reality of this season in CFB is that there really is not any elite teams. Because of scheduling quirks several SEC schools have really good records, but that has more to do with the lack of quality teams at the back end of the SEC. I don't think anyone is thinking about comparing any SEC team this year with either Alabama or LSU last season. Is ND great, probably not, but they were good/lucky enough to win all their games. Heck Alabama probably got "lucky" yesterday. Is that any different than ND getting lucky against Stanford? I think Alabama is going to win, but I don't think they are substantially better than ND. No matter what anyone believes, there is no question that ND belongs in the title game with the current system. I think there could be an argument made that Oregon deserves to get in instead of Alabama. I am not saying it is a good argument but it could be made.

 

Yes, there was nothing controversial about yesterday's game.

 

Nor the Stanford game. The NCAA head of officials said the call was correct. There's only controversy for those that want to make one up.

 

Sure thing.

[SouthSideRyan]

Bama gave up 17 garbage points all year.

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I think the reality of this season in CFB is that there really is not any elite teams. Because of scheduling quirks several SEC schools have really good records, but that has more to do with the lack of quality teams at the back end of the SEC. I don't think anyone is thinking about comparing any SEC team this year with either Alabama or LSU last season. Is ND great, probably not, but they were good/lucky enough to win all their games. Heck Alabama probably got "lucky" yesterday. Is that any different than ND getting lucky against Stanford? I think Alabama is going to win, but I don't think they are substantially better than ND. No matter what anyone believes, there is no question that ND belongs in the title game with the current system. I think there could be an argument made that Oregon deserves to get in instead of Alabama. I am not saying it is a good argument but it could be made.

 

Yes, there was nothing controversial about yesterday's game.

 

Nor the Stanford game. The NCAA head of officials said the call was correct. There's only controversy for those that want to make one up.

 

Sure thing.

 

Glad we agree

[Formerly Snayke]

Even if we chuck Alabama's obviously lesser opponents out the window, the Tide's defense gave up 13 points per game. Does anyone honestly believe that Notre Dame's defense is better because Alabama gave up a handful of touchdowns when they were up by 20-30 points?

 

You're just pulling things out of the air now.

 

Oh? They were up by 31 and 27 when they gave up touchdowns to Michigan. They were up 20 when they gave up one of two touchdowns to Ole Miss. They were up 28 on Missouri, 17 on Tennessee and 38 against Mississippi State. You don't think the situation of the game affected the way their defense played?

Edited December 2, 2012 by Formerly Snayke

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Bama gave up 17 garbage points all year.

 

ND's offense gave up 7 points to Stanford too

[Guest]

I think the reality of this season in CFB is that there really is not any elite teams. Because of scheduling quirks several SEC schools have really good records, but that has more to do with the lack of quality teams at the back end of the SEC. I don't think anyone is thinking about comparing any SEC team this year with either Alabama or LSU last season. Is ND great, probably not, but they were good/lucky enough to win all their games. Heck Alabama probably got "lucky" yesterday. Is that any different than ND getting lucky against Stanford? I think Alabama is going to win, but I don't think they are substantially better than ND. No matter what anyone believes, there is no question that ND belongs in the title game with the current system. I think there could be an argument made that Oregon deserves to get in instead of Alabama. I am not saying it is a good argument but it could be made.

 

Yes, there was nothing controversial about yesterday's game.

 

Don't forget about the Pitt game also.

[SouthSideRyan]

Even if we chuck Alabama's obviously lesser opponents out the window, the Tide's defense gave up 13 points per game. Does anyone honestly believe that Notre Dame's defense is better because Alabama gave up a handful of touchdowns when they were up by 20-30 points?

 

You're just pulling things out of the air now.

 

Oh? They were up by 31 and 27 when they gave up touchdowns to Michigan. They were up 20 when they gave up one of two touchdowns to Ole Miss. They were up 28 on Missouri, 17 on Tennessee and 38 against Mississippi State. You don't think the situation of the game affected the way their defense played?

 

Hahaha, we're discounting a 2nd quarter touchdown to Tennessee that cut the lead to 10?? You think Bama stopped trying with 25 minutes left against Ole Miss?

[Guest]

FWIW, F/+ Rankings rank the top defenses as such, not including this week's games:

 

Florida +25.2%

Michigan St. +24.4%

Alabama +23.2%

Stanford +21.7%

Notre Dame +20.9%

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I think the reality of this season in CFB is that there really is not any elite teams. Because of scheduling quirks several SEC schools have really good records, but that has more to do with the lack of quality teams at the back end of the SEC. I don't think anyone is thinking about comparing any SEC team this year with either Alabama or LSU last season. Is ND great, probably not, but they were good/lucky enough to win all their games. Heck Alabama probably got "lucky" yesterday. Is that any different than ND getting lucky against Stanford? I think Alabama is going to win, but I don't think they are substantially better than ND. No matter what anyone believes, there is no question that ND belongs in the title game with the current system. I think there could be an argument made that Oregon deserves to get in instead of Alabama. I am not saying it is a good argument but it could be made.

 

Yes, there was nothing controversial about yesterday's game.

 

Don't forget about the Pitt game also.

 

Controversy? Is it fun to live in the land of make believe?

[Guest]

One thing to note about Stanford is they had Nunes at QB for both their losses - they've replaced him with Kevin Hogan since who is far better. The difference between the two is startling; I wouldn't be shocked if had they played Hogan against Washington and Notre Dame, they would have won both. But that's on their coaching staff for not being willing to start a talented freshman over a game manager senior.

[Andy]

The coaches' poll public ballots are out. Bob Stoops voted Boise 22 and N. Illinois 24. He voted his own team 6th.

 

Vanderbilt coach James Franklin had SEC teams 1-3, then Notre Dame at 4.

 

I'm sure if you spend enough time you'll find several other fascinating votes.

[Guest]

I think the reality of this season in CFB is that there really is not any elite teams. Because of scheduling quirks several SEC schools have really good records, but that has more to do with the lack of quality teams at the back end of the SEC. I don't think anyone is thinking about comparing any SEC team this year with either Alabama or LSU last season. Is ND great, probably not, but they were good/lucky enough to win all their games. Heck Alabama probably got "lucky" yesterday. Is that any different than ND getting lucky against Stanford? I think Alabama is going to win, but I don't think they are substantially better than ND. No matter what anyone believes, there is no question that ND belongs in the title game with the current system. I think there could be an argument made that Oregon deserves to get in instead of Alabama. I am not saying it is a good argument but it could be made.

 

Yes, there was nothing controversial about yesterday's game.

 

Don't forget about the Pitt game also.

 

Controversy? Is it fun to live in the land of make believe?

 

There was the terrible PI call on fourth down against Pittsburgh on ND's first TD drive of the fourth quarter. And then on Pittsburgh's potential game winner in the second OT, Notre Dame had two players wearing the No. 2 on the field, which should have been a penalty and a rekick.

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I think the reality of this season in CFB is that there really is not any elite teams. Because of scheduling quirks several SEC schools have really good records, but that has more to do with the lack of quality teams at the back end of the SEC. I don't think anyone is thinking about comparing any SEC team this year with either Alabama or LSU last season. Is ND great, probably not, but they were good/lucky enough to win all their games. Heck Alabama probably got "lucky" yesterday. Is that any different than ND getting lucky against Stanford? I think Alabama is going to win, but I don't think they are substantially better than ND. No matter what anyone believes, there is no question that ND belongs in the title game with the current system. I think there could be an argument made that Oregon deserves to get in instead of Alabama. I am not saying it is a good argument but it could be made.

 

Yes, there was nothing controversial about yesterday's game.

 

Don't forget about the Pitt game also.

 

Controversy? Is it fun to live in the land of make believe?

 

There was the terrible PI call on fourth down against Pittsburgh on ND's first TD drive of the fourth quarter. And then on Pittsburgh's potential game winner in the second OT, Notre Dame had two players wearing the No. 2 on the field, which should have been a penalty and a rekick.

 

PI? Yeah, ND is the only team that's ever had a PI call go in the offense's favor. That's controversy.

 

I assume you've gone thru every play of that game and every other game to determine of there were any calls that were anything but 100% correct?

[Guest]

PI? Yeah, ND is the only team that's ever had a PI call go in the offense's favor. That's controversy.

 

I assume you've gone thru every play of that game and every other game to determine of there were any calls that were anything but 100% correct?

 

So because PI has been called incorrectly before we can't complain about it when it's called incorrectly the next time? Yeah, that makes sense.

 

And unless every call has been made correctly during the course of a game and season, an incorrect call can't be complained about later on? Yeah, that makes sense.

 

It's controversy because two critical calls that went Notre Dame's way were called incorrectly. If those go the other way, there's a pretty good chance Notre Dame isn't in the title game right now.

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PI? Yeah, ND is the only team that's ever had a PI call go in the offense's favor. That's controversy.

 

I assume you've gone thru every play of that game and every other game to determine of there were any calls that were anything but 100% correct?

 

So because PI has been called incorrectly before we can't complain about it when it's called incorrectly the next time? Yeah, that makes sense.

 

And unless every call has been made correctly during the course of a game and season, an incorrect call can't be complained about later on? Yeah, that makes sense.

 

It's controversy because two critical calls that went Notre Dame's way were called incorrectly. If those go the other way, there's a pretty good chance Notre Dame isn't in the title game right now.

 

Are you serious? Complain all you want. You clearly don't need my approval to complain about calls. But a bad call or missed play doesn't mean there's controversy in every game. There were calls against ND in that game that were close and could have resulted in a bigger MOV. Sure, a few plays go one way or another and the results can be different. That's true for some ND games. True for Bama/LSU and Bama/Georgia. True for any number of games every season.

 

You hate ND so you want to find controversy in as many ND wins as you can. Fine. Knock yourself out. Doesn't mean there's actual controversy.

[Guest]

There was a penalty that's very easy to see (assuming you can actually see) that should have been called on a kick which could have ended the game. I seriously doubt there was a bigger non-call in any Notre Dame game this year.

 

I can't tell if you're actually this stupid or if you're just acting that way because you're such a homer. You keep throwing out this whole "you guys hate Notre Dame so you're biased and are looking for anything to discredit Notre Dame" thing while attempting to downplay the fact that you're biased for Notre Dame which leads to you presenting irrational argument after irrational argument.

[abuck1220]

i can't wait til football season is over so MR can go back to being a not insane person.

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There was a penalty that's very easy to see (assuming you can actually see) that should have been called on a kick which could have ended the game. I seriously doubt there was a bigger non-call in any Notre Dame game this year.

 

I can't tell if you're actually this stupid or if you're just acting that way because you're such a homer. You keep throwing out this whole "you guys hate Notre Dame so you're biased and are looking for anything to discredit Notre Dame" thing while attempting to downplay the fact that you're biased for Notre Dame which leads to you presenting irrational argument after irrational argument.

 

Literally no one of any consequence talks about that as a controversial win. No one. Lucky? Yes. Controversial? No. Calling me stupid doesn't make you come off any better.

[Careless]

You ND fans realize that 100% of the reason people hate ND is ND fans, right? Unlike, say, the Yankees, who are hated for winning a lot, it's just you guys that make people hate them.

 

I don't even hate ND, I just find this really entertaining.

 

People hate ND for a variety of reasons. Media exposure, perceived bias (which existed long ago but has switched to prejudice some time ago), popularity, fans, etc.

 

Fyi, 100% of the reason people hate you is bc of you. So there's that.

Nifty, it's almost like I have fans. But no, it's not exposure. It's you.

[Guest]

I know I said controversy in one of my posts but lucky is a better term (I was going off what NewUserName originally said).

 

They were very lucky to win the game. That still doesn't change the crux of my argument.

[Andy]

Pete Thamel just Tweeted that NIU will go to the Orange Bowl. Official. MACtion comes to the BCS.

[NewUserName]

nothing against NIU, but I would just assume they could take another SEC school. Which is hard for me to say

[Guest]

Pete Thamel just Tweeted that NIU will go to the Orange Bowl. Official. MACtion comes to the BCS.

 

Well, no point in watching the Orange or Sugar Bowls this year.