2013 NFL Draft talk

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

There was a lot of talk about how Te'o would not fall very much due to the scandal. As it turns out, it cost him.

 

More like everybody realized he's not that good.

 

Yeah I think the combine was what really hurt.

 

I'd say it was more the Alabama game.

[Cubswin11]

There was a lot of talk about how Te'o would not fall very much due to the scandal. As it turns out, it cost him.

 

More like everybody realized he's not that good.

 

Yeah I think the combine was what really hurt.

 

I'd say it was more the Alabama game.

I say they were even, the Alabama game hurt him but the combine re-enforced the doubts/hurt

[Guest]

There was a lot of talk about how Te'o would not fall very much due to the scandal. As it turns out, it cost him.

 

I don't think it cost as much as it appears. I think it just accelerated what eventually would have happened anyway. He's a middle linebacker, which isn't a glamour position in the first place, and he's limited athletically, and he looked bad in his last, biggest college game. The hype was likely to wear off eventually. The real world board changes all the time between January and April.

 

Yep.

[Smack]

Tony Wise was on Mully & Hanley raving about Long. He worked with him before the Senior Bowl and said he thought he could play LT and would be wasted at Guard. Granted he admitted to being Howie Long's friend so it's not like he would rip the kid.

[tfarks]

Tony Wise was on Mully & Hanley raving about Long. He worked with him before the Senior Bowl and said he thought he could play LT and would be wasted at Guard. Granted he admitted to being Howie Long's friend so it's not like he would rip the kid.

 

There's no question about potential. If he had played football longer he likely is a consensus 1st rounder. Athletically he's ready for the NFL. I have faith Kromer can develop him and he will even eventually supplant Bushrod at LT and help the interior in the meantime.

[Guest]

Tony Wise was on Mully & Hanley raving about Long. He worked with him before the Senior Bowl and said he thought he could play LT and would be wasted at Guard. Granted he admitted to being Howie Long's friend so it's not like he would rip the kid.

 

Did he? I could've sworn he said the two got hooked up because he was looking for someone to coach him up and Jimmy Johnson told them to hook up before the Senior Bowl. I didn't get the impression that they knew eachother prior to that, but maybe I misheard.

[Smack]

Tony Wise was on Mully & Hanley raving about Long. He worked with him before the Senior Bowl and said he thought he could play LT and would be wasted at Guard. Granted he admitted to being Howie Long's friend so it's not like he would rip the kid.

 

Did he? I could've sworn he said the two got hooked up because he was looking for someone to coach him up and Jimmy Johnson told them to hook up before the Senior Bowl. I didn't get the impression that they knew eachother prior to that, but maybe I misheard.

 

You're right, my bad, he was Jimmy's friend.

[Formerly Snayke]

I wish the Rams would've hired Vince McMahon to yell IT WAS YOU AUSTIN! IT WAS YOU ALL ALONG!

 

/dumb

[Guest]

Haha: http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013/april/mocking-the-2013-mock-drafts.html

 

Congrats to Mike Mayock on correctly mocking just 25% of the NFL Draft's 1st Round and being far and away the most skilled mocker.  Incredibly, multiple NFL writers at major national outlets could only muster one, yes, one pick slotted correctly at the right pick.  One.  Uno.  Peter King and Gil Brandt's lone correct pick was Jarvis Jones going to the Steelers at #17, which was actually the pick nailed most often with 7 of 12 correctly projecting.

[Derwood]

Haha: http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013/april/mocking-the-2013-mock-drafts.html

 

Congrats to Mike Mayock on correctly mocking just 25% of the NFL Draft's 1st Round and being far and away the most skilled mocker.  Incredibly, multiple NFL writers at major national outlets could only muster one, yes, one pick slotted correctly at the right pick.  One.  Uno.  Peter King and Gil Brandt's lone correct pick was Jarvis Jones going to the Steelers at #17, which was actually the pick nailed most often with 7 of 12 correctly projecting.

 

New flash: Mock Drafts are dumb and paying people to do them is dumberer

[Tracer Bullet]

Who was it that was attacking Mayock's credibility here yesterday?

[Guest]

Have we talked about how Ansah's glasses were not only fake, but were 3D glasses?

[dew1679666265]

Best 1st round: Vikings. They don't have much left in this draft, but to net Floyd, Rhodes and CP in a talent-thin daft is impressive.

 

Worst 1st round: Jets. A team with no offensive talent has 2 first rounders and doesn't do anything to improve the offense? There were worse individual picks made and I don't really hate the fits of Milliner and Richardson, but you have to address that miserable offense with at least one of the picks.

 

3 best picks:

- Arizona, Cooper: I don't care who you put at QB, WR, or RB with that line because nobody was going to be any good without some kind of o-line talent and Cooper's a step in the rich direction.

- Carolina, Lotulelei: I'm not convinced he's a major health risk, but I am convinced he's one of the few star talents in this draft. A bit of a gamble for the Panthers but one I think can pay off big time.

- Pittsburgh, Jones: I'm probably the biggest Jarvis Jones fan on this board, but this was a terrific value. The Dolphins gave up a 2nd round pick to select a guy in Dion Jordan who I'm not convinced is better than Jones. The Steelers are great at drafting and this is just another example.

 

3 worst picks:

- Bills, Manuel: I like Manuel a lot, but as a developmental guy in the 3rd or 4th round. Not as a 1st rounder who's going to be expected to produce fairly quickly.

- Cowboys, Frederick: This screams pure desperation to me. Dallas needed an interior lineman and took one regardless of whether he was worth the pick. This draft is way too lineman-deep to reach for one.

- Bears, Long or Colts, Werner: I can't decide on this one, so I'll list both. The Bears did the same thin the Cowboys did, but on a better player. The Colts took a good player at a decent value, but I just don't see how he fits a 3-4. I don't think he's athletic enough to be a rush backer, but I'm not sure he's big and strong enough to play end. Just seems like a weird pick, especially with Datone Jones available.

[dew1679666265]

Haha: http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013/april/mocking-the-2013-mock-drafts.html

 

Congrats to Mike Mayock on correctly mocking just 25% of the NFL Draft's 1st Round and being far and away the most skilled mocker.  Incredibly, multiple NFL writers at major national outlets could only muster one, yes, one pick slotted correctly at the right pick.  One.  Uno.  Peter King and Gil Brandt's lone correct pick was Jarvis Jones going to the Steelers at #17, which was actually the pick nailed most often with 7 of 12 correctly projecting.

 

New flash: Mock Drafts are dumb and paying people to do them is dumberer

 

I'm not sure what the usual success rate is, but in fairness this was an extremely difficult draft to mock with so little top end talent available.

[dew1679666265]

Who was it that was attacking Mayock's credibility here yesterday?

 

If we're talking about the same post, I think it was determined his beef was actually with McShay.

[mul21]

 

3 worst picks:

- Bills, Manuel: I like Manuel a lot, but as a developmental guy in the 3rd or 4th round. Not as a 1st rounder who's going to be expected to produce fairly quickly.

 

I have a random thought on t why they took him in the 1st round. Since rookie contracts are 5 years for 1st rounders and only 4 years for 2nd rounders, they may have decided to grab him there to have an extra cheap year before they have to give him more money on that second contract. This is helpful especially if they're planning on letting him develop on the bench a bit before throwing him into the fire. May not be a great reason, it's still a reach, and I think they could have traded back a few spots and still gotten him in the first, but it makes it a little less awful.

[Guest]

Dew, you really can't say the Jets had the worst first round when they got two players who were rated higher than or equal to where they went. CB was definitely a need and there's a good argument that Lotulelei and Floyd are better than Richardson, but Richardson was great value there.

 

You can't say that's a worse first round than the reaches you mentioned (plus the Giants' reach).

[dew1679666265]

Dew, you really can't say the Jets had the worst first round when they got two players who were rated higher than or equal to where they went. CB was definitely a need and there's a good argument that Lotulelei and Floyd are better than Richardson, but Richardson was great value there.

 

You can't say that's a worse first round than the reaches you mentioned (plus the Giants' reach).

 

That's a legit point. I was mainly looking at opportunity cost there. With two really early first round picks, the Jets had a chance to really make themselves better overall. However, by simply bolstering 2 of the team's strengths, I think they squandered that opportunity. Milliner and Richardson are very good players, but the Jets already have very good players at those positions.

 

Maybe I should've called it something other than "worst" 1st round, but I kind of liken it to the Bears taking Geno Smith. Sure he's a good player and would've been a pretty good value there, but the Bears have clear holes and a good QB already which kind of negates a lot of the value that addition would bring them. Maybe "most squandered first round" or something would've been better wording.

[dew1679666265]

 

3 worst picks:

- Bills, Manuel: I like Manuel a lot, but as a developmental guy in the 3rd or 4th round. Not as a 1st rounder who's going to be expected to produce fairly quickly.

 

I have a random thought on t why they took him in the 1st round. Since rookie contracts are 5 years for 1st rounders and only 4 years for 2nd rounders, they may have decided to grab him there to have an extra cheap year before they have to give him more money on that second contract. This is helpful especially if they're planning on letting him develop on the bench a bit before throwing him into the fire. May not be a great reason, it's still a reach, and I think they could have traded back a few spots and still gotten him in the first, but it makes it a little less awful.

 

That's very possible and a good point. My main concern is that perception is that a 1st round QB better start playin well immediately and I'm not sure the Bills' fans will have the patience to let their 1st round pick sit and learn for 2-3 years, especially if the Bills keep rotatin mediocrity at QB in the meantime.

 

It was a big reach, a huge gamble and is unfair to the player too.

[Guest]

Dew, you really can't say the Jets had the worst first round when they got two players who were rated higher than or equal to where they went. CB was definitely a need and there's a good argument that Lotulelei and Floyd are better than Richardson, but Richardson was great value there.

 

You can't say that's a worse first round than the reaches you mentioned (plus the Giants' reach).

 

That's a legit point. I was mainly looking at opportunity cost there. With two really early first round picks, the Jets had a chance to really make themselves better overall. However, by simply bolstering 2 of the team's strengths, I think they squandered that opportunity. Milliner and Richardson are very good players, but the Jets already have very good players at those positions.

 

Maybe I should've called it something other than "worst" 1st round, but I kind of liken it to the Bears taking Geno Smith. Sure he's a good player and would've been a pretty good value there, but the Bears have clear holes and a good QB already which kind of negates a lot of the value that addition would bring them. Maybe "most squandered first round" or something would've been better wording.

Is corner well stocked with Revis gone? I didn't think so but am not sure.

[dew1679666265]

Is corner well stocked with Revis gone? I didn't think so but am not sure.

 

I think so, but it depends on your view of Kyle Wilson, I guess. Between Cromartie and Wilson on the team already and a deep CB draft, I think they had much, much bigger needs in the 1st.

[Guest]

Dew, you really can't say the Jets had the worst first round when they got two players who were rated higher than or equal to where they went. CB was definitely a need and there's a good argument that Lotulelei and Floyd are better than Richardson, but Richardson was great value there.

 

You can't say that's a worse first round than the reaches you mentioned (plus the Giants' reach).

 

That's a legit point. I was mainly looking at opportunity cost there. With two really early first round picks, the Jets had a chance to really make themselves better overall. However, by simply bolstering 2 of the team's strengths, I think they squandered that opportunity. Milliner and Richardson are very good players, but the Jets already have very good players at those positions.

 

Maybe I should've called it something other than "worst" 1st round, but I kind of liken it to the Bears taking Geno Smith. Sure he's a good player and would've been a pretty good value there, but the Bears have clear holes and a good QB already which kind of negates a lot of the value that addition would bring them. Maybe "most squandered first round" or something would've been better wording.

Is corner well stocked with Revis gone? I didn't think so but am not sure.

[CubColtPacer]

- Bears, Long or Colts, Werner: I can't decide on this one, so I'll list both. The Bears did the same thin the Cowboys did, but on a better player. The Colts took a good player at a decent value, but I just don't see how he fits a 3-4. I don't think he's athletic enough to be a rush backer, but I'm not sure he's big and strong enough to play end. Just seems like a weird pick, especially with Datone Jones available.

 

They did apparently announce last night that Werner would be playing linebacker. There are others concerned about the scheme fit, although it should be noted that the Colts don't play a true 3-4. They like some others are more of a hybrid. He'll be paired with Mathis at that position, so I would assume Werner would play some run downs in place of Mathis and then maybe occasionally slide up to end on obvious passing downs?

[dew1679666265]

- Bears, Long or Colts, Werner: I can't decide on this one, so I'll list both. The Bears did the same thin the Cowboys did, but on a better player. The Colts took a good player at a decent value, but I just don't see how he fits a 3-4. I don't think he's athletic enough to be a rush backer, but I'm not sure he's big and strong enough to play end. Just seems like a weird pick, especially with Datone Jones available.

 

They did apparently announce last night that Werner would be playing linebacker. There are others concerned about the scheme fit, although it should be noted that the Colts don't play a true 3-4. They like some others are more of a hybrid. He'll be paired with Mathis at that position, so I would assume Werner would play some run downs in place of Mathis and then maybe occasionally slide up to end on obvious passing downs?

 

That makes some sense, though it seems like more jerryrigging than you should have to do with your first round pick.

[dew1679666265]

I'm really hoping the Titans fund a way to come out of tonight with either Johnthan Banks or David Amerson. Something like Damontre Moore/David Amerson/Da'Rick Rogers would make me really happy. I doubt all three of those guys are available for us, though.