Re: 2012-13 Chicago Bulls Thread

[Banedon]

*exhale*

[Banedon]

@KCJHoop

 

Regarding DRose scrimmaging, organization is on record saying he must practice for "extended period of time" before playing.

[Guest]

The night he finally suits up is going to be so [expletive] exciting...and then he's gonna play limited minutes and it'll be like the first game of preseason/spring training or something.

[mookie]

:beg:

[Banedon]

http://instagram.com/p/V8DBKuxkOK/

[Banedon]

@WojYahooNBA

 

While Chicago's trying hard to move Rip Hamilton to lower payroll, Bulls aren't inclined to include draft pick to sweeten deal, sources say.

[Banedon]

@KBergCBS

 

Bulls have cooled on J.J. Reddick. Due to luxury tax, Chicago unlikely to pay him as a free agent this summer so reluctant to give up pick.

[UMFan83]

@KBergCBS

 

Bulls have cooled on J.J. Reddick. Due to luxury tax, Chicago unlikely to pay him as a free agent this summer so reluctant to give up pick.

 

The logic makes sense, but I'm not sure how they are just coming to that conclusion now, unless they thought they could get reddick without giving up a pick.

[KingCubsFan]

Bulls have cooled on J.J. Reddick. Due to luxury tax, Chicago unlikely to pay him as a free agent this summer so reluctant to give up pick.

And this is why my interest in the Bulls continues to decline. If this continues throughout Rose's prime, Reinsdorf is going to enter Wirtz territory.

[Sammy Sofa]

I've got a co-worker who put down $20 that Rose was going to pull off a surprise return against the Heat tonight. I thought about the myriad ways I could argue this and then just shut up and enjoyed the insanity.

[UMFan83]

Bulls have cooled on J.J. Reddick. Due to luxury tax, Chicago unlikely to pay him as a free agent this summer so reluctant to give up pick.

And this is why my interest in the Bulls continues to decline. If this continues throughout Rose's prime, Reinsdorf is going to enter Wirtz territory.

 

Lets start by saying that I am not sure if I believe that JR will ever pay the luxury tax (i guess we could know for sure after today). But lets say he does....even if that is the case, there's no way he's going to be ok with paying the repeater tax in a couple of years. So if its true that JR will pay the luxury tax at some point, but will not pay the repeater tax, I guess it makes sense that they would want to avoid paying it this year when its unlikely Rose is playing like Rose, and even if he does its not super likely that they can actually win the title. Next year Taj's extension kicks in and its an all but certainty that they will pay the tax next year. If we don't cut the salary this year, that will be 2 straight years of paying the tax...meaning we'd have to go under the tax the next 2 seasons to avoid the repeater penalty. Presumably those are the years that you'd want to go all out to win a title, as Rose will presumably be 100%, LeBron might be off to Cleveland, Wade will be 2 years older, the Bulls will probably have more flexibility to potentially build a better supporting cast with Deng and Boozer's contracts coming off the books, etc.

 

Of course, you can rip JR for not being ok with paying the repeater penalty being in the 3rd largest market and being the most profitable team in the NBA for several years and never paying it in the past, etc. But that's a different discussion. Accepting that he won't pay that repeater penalty it makes sense that they'd want to avoid it this year.

[Banedon]

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/post/_/id/12248/thibs-rose-has-taken-next-step-in-rehab

 

Bulls center Nazr Mohammed said Rose doesn't appear to be working like a player who might sit the season.

 

"His rehab is going great. He is working hard. I see him everyday. He's working hard with the ambition of a guy who is trying to come back this year, not a a guy who is trying to wait and see what happens," Mohammed said Wednesday. "At the same time, we know Derrick is going to make the best decision for himself and for the team."

[KingCubsFan]

Bulls have cooled on J.J. Reddick. Due to luxury tax, Chicago unlikely to pay him as a free agent this summer so reluctant to give up pick.

And this is why my interest in the Bulls continues to decline. If this continues throughout Rose's prime, Reinsdorf is going to enter Wirtz territory.

 

Lets start by saying that I am not sure if I believe that JR will ever pay the luxury tax (i guess we could know for sure after today). But lets say he does....even if that is the case, there's no way he's going to be ok with paying the repeater tax in a couple of years. So if its true that JR will pay the luxury tax at some point, but will not pay the repeater tax, I guess it makes sense that they would want to avoid paying it this year when its unlikely Rose is playing like Rose, and even if he does its not super likely that they can actually win the title. Next year Taj's extension kicks in and its an all but certainty that they will pay the tax next year. If we don't cut the salary this year, that will be 2 straight years of paying the tax...meaning we'd have to go under the tax the next 2 seasons to avoid the repeater penalty. Presumably those are the years that you'd want to go all out to win a title, as Rose will presumably be 100%, LeBron might be off to Cleveland, Wade will be 2 years older, the Bulls will probably have more flexibility to potentially build a better supporting cast with Deng and Boozer's contracts coming off the books, etc.

 

Of course, you can rip JR for not being ok with paying the repeater penalty being in the 3rd largest market and being the most profitable team in the NBA for several years and never paying it in the past, etc. But that's a different discussion. Accepting that he won't pay that repeater penalty it makes sense that they'd want to avoid it this year.

Both Deng and Boozer will be up soon (we'll probably amnesty Boozer for salary reasons anyways). Both the tax and the cap will inevitably rise over the next several years. Paying the tax now does not mean we'll have to pay it every year going forward.

 

JR always said he'd go into the tax if he had a championship contender. Well, here it is. Deng and Noah are in their prime, and Rose should be 100% next season. The window on this team is going to be closed before they know it. I'm not necessarily JJ Redick is the guy they should go into the luxury tax for, but I'm sick of every potential move ending with "Bulls don't want to go into tax." Particularly when they're so profitable.

[UMFan83]

Damn I take what I said back, if all this is true.

 

Q2: But what about this "Repeater" Tax Level? It's supposed to be awful, and trading Rip now would help us avoid it in the future? Beginning in the 2014/2015 season, luxury tax teams will pay a prohibitively higher rate if they have been over the luxury tax level in previous seasons. In 14/15, the repeat offender provision kicks in if the team has paid the tax in each of the three previous seasons (plus 14/15, obviously). Since the Bulls have a stated plan to clear cap space in 14/15, and since they didn't pay the tax last year, they will not be subject to the repeater provision in 14/15 even if they pay the tax this year and next.

 

What about further out? From 15/16 onward, the repeater provision kicks in if they are over the tax line and have paid tax in three of the four previous seasons. Again, this seems like an impossibility for the Bulls, since, if, as expected, they go the cap space route in 14/15, they will be very unlikely to generate enough additional salary the next year to put them over the LT threshold. So even if they keep rip this year, their two consecutive years of avoiding the tax would prevent them from paying it in the 15/16 season.

 

Q4: But I don't like Rip Hamilton. I think he's old and he sucks. So does he doesn't help the Bulls win anyway. The statistics are heavily against this line of thought. First and most obviously, the Bulls are dramatically better with Rip playing instead of Marco Belinelli. Here's my post about Bulls lineups from a while back. Here's updated statsfrom Basketball-Reference.In my first look, the main Bulls lineup (Kirk, Deng, Noah, Boozer) with Rip was plus 0.6 net points 100 poessessions. With Marco it was -3.4.

 

Now, we have moved to +4 with Rip, and -2.8 with Marco.

 

Simply put, our main lineup wins with Rip and loses with Marco.

[Banedon]

No deals for the Bulls. Talked to Denver about Rip, but nothing....

[RynoRules]

The NBA salary cap system is pretty complex to the avg fan, I would think. Makes it tough for owners and GM's to justify their moves and non-moves.

 

Examples:

 

- Bulls fans will be aggravated that we stood pat today

- Magic fans will wonder why the return on Reddick was so *meh*

- "What the hell was the point of the trade we made today?", asked Raptors and Suns fans.

[wolf stansson]

I've got a co-worker who put down $20 that Rose was going to pull off a surprise return against the Heat tonight. I thought about the myriad ways I could argue this and then just shut up and enjoyed the insanity.

Adidas is going to make ABUNDANTLY clear when Derrick is coming back.

[UMFan83]

DRose's brother ripped the Bulls for not getting better players, and said something about it possibly being a factor in when he comes back.

 

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/8971475/derrick-rose-brother-says-no-trades-big-factor-return

[SouthSideRyan]

The NBA salary cap system is pretty complex to the avg fan, I would think. Makes it tough for owners and GM's to justify their moves and non-moves.

 

Examples:

 

- Bulls fans will be aggravated that we stood pat today

- Magic fans will wonder why the return on Reddick was so *meh*

- "What the hell was the point of the trade we made today?", asked Raptors and Suns fans.

 

Wizards fans will probably ask the same thing, and I'm not sure their own GM can explain it.

[cubbyvirus00]

DRose's brother ripped the Bulls for not getting better players, and said something about it possibly being a factor in when he comes back.

 

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/8971475/derrick-rose-brother-says-no-trades-big-factor-return

 

Glad to see somebody say something. Granted its hard to find solid upgrades that wont gut your roster, but the Bulls are stagnant and seemingly content with being average. This isn't a championship caliber team.

[bukie]

Stupid thing to say to expect the Bulls to have somehow acquired a player better than Noah/Deng this trade deadline. The only potential trade they could have made to improve would be to add JJ. Any other deals the Bulls would have made the team worse, not better, for the sake of the tax.

[wolf stansson]

The thing that makes the Bulls a championship contender won't be a series of smaller moves like Reddick or keeping Omer or whatever that idiot Reggie Rose thinks they should have done. It'll be a big, superstar acquisition which probably won't happen.

[illiniguy]

Reggie Rose, still trying to run Derrick's life. Derrick it's time to tell the guy to be quiet.

[KingCubsFan]

Reggie Rose, still trying to run Derrick's life. Derrick it's time to tell the guy to be quiet.

I think Reggie is just taking the fall as the bad guy and this is what Derrick really thinks. Which is too bad, if true, because I think this team, if fully healthy, could beat the Heat at least once over the next few years if given the chance.

[illiniguy]

Reggie Rose, still trying to run Derrick's life. Derrick it's time to tell the guy to be quiet.

I think Reggie is just taking the fall as the bad guy and this is what Derrick really thinks. Which is too bad, if true, because I think this team, if fully healthy, could beat the Heat at least once over the next few years if given the chance.

That could be I guess, if so props to him for being willing to be the villian.