The Future Rotation thread

[MWV]

There's a lot of room between "overpay" and "ST invite".

[davell]

Or we could just focus on our FO being too smart to overpay for a guy who's always been a 4-5 starter who's having a career season.

The guy has 48 starts in the majors. 293 appearances. Kind of hard to put a label on him.

[Sammy Sofa]

Or we could just focus on our FO being too smart to overpay for a guy who's always been a 4-5 starter who's having a career season.

 

A career season two seasons in a row in typically the toughest division in the AL.

[sneakypower]

he's always been a 4-5 starter

 

well, besides the 84% of his career appearances where he's actually been a reliever

[davell]

Gigantic lack of supply versus demand. You have Greinke on a tier by himself and that's if the Angels don't lock him up before he hits the market. After that, it gets murky. You have Peavy, Sanchez, and Jackson, that appear to me as the next tier. Followed by McCarthy and Marcum, due to injuries. Then it's upside versus risk in guys like Liriano and Santana. And the cagey vet group of Dempster, Kuroda, Lohse, Saunders, and Blanton. I'm not sure where you slot in a Villanueva, but he's got to be somewhere in the middle of that, if not higher.

[davell]

Hoyer was on with @Kapman and said FA will be like it was last offseason, but in more volume. I guess that means more DeJesus/Maholm type signings. But maybe multiple pitchers?

[dew1679666265]

That makes me sad.

[gocubs2118]

Hoyer was on with @Kapman and said FA will be like it was last offseason, but in more volume. I guess that means more DeJesus/Maholm type signings. But maybe multiple pitchers?

That's not exactly what he said though. Those were the words Paul Sullivan put in his mouth. Hoyer said we are going to have some money to spend in the off season. He said it most likely won't be a splash but there is money to spend.

Edited August 17, 2012 by gocubs2118

[davell]

Hoyer was on with @Kapman and said FA will be like it was last offseason, but in more volume. I guess that means more DeJesus/Maholm type signings. But maybe multiple pitchers?

That's not exactly what he said though. Those were the words Paul Sullivan put in his mouth. Hoyer said were going to have some money to spend in the off season. He said it most likely won't be a splash but there is money to spend.

that could put a guy like Upton in play then. I can't see Greinke as an honest possibility.

[davell]

Hoyer was on with @Kapman and said FA will be like it was last offseason, but in more volume. I guess that means more DeJesus/Maholm type signings. But maybe multiple pitchers?

That's not exactly what he said though. Those were the words Paul Sullivan put in his mouth. Hoyer said we are going to have some money to spend in the off season. He said it most likely won't be a splash but there is money to spend.

By the way, between the recap here and the one there, did you catch any other stuff that's important, that maybe was glossed over?

[Little Slide Rooter]

My thinking continues to be that the money will be spent when the right thing is available to spend it on. Cole Hamels would have been the right thing, but we'll never know if he would have been an option for us. Now that he's off the market, I wouldn't be surprised if it was in fact more Maholm or DeJesus types, with a few Reed Johnsons mixed in. They all worked out pretty well. And it doesn't seem that there will be an end to stocking Iowa with random AAAAers either. One option that went from a huge contract to a low risk/high reward possibility is Melky Cabrera.

[gocubs2118]

Hoyer was on with @Kapman and said FA will be like it was last offseason, but in more volume. I guess that means more DeJesus/Maholm type signings. But maybe multiple pitchers?

That's not exactly what he said though. Those were the words Paul Sullivan put in his mouth. Hoyer said we are going to have some money to spend in the off season. He said it most likely won't be a splash but there is money to spend.

By the way, between the recap here and the one there, did you catch any other stuff that's important, that maybe was glossed over?

 

Not much. Everything in that summary were the important parts.

[sneakypower]

Hoyer was on with @Kapman and said FA will be like it was last offseason, but in more volume. I guess that means more DeJesus/Maholm type signings. But maybe multiple pitchers?

Melky, Liriano, Anibal, Santana should all be available at huge discounts

[pitchcs]

Hoyer was on with @Kapman and said FA will be like it was last offseason, but in more volume. I guess that means more DeJesus/Maholm type signings. But maybe multiple pitchers?

Melky, Liriano, Anibal, Santana should all be available at huge discounts

 

 

I'm all for an offseason approach like last with more volume. I really think they'll add 1-2 bullpen arms, even if they cost a little. Certainly a SP or two like Maholm.

 

Where in the field though? 3B and OF are only options I see.

[davell]

The FA class is so weak, it'll be very interesting to see what we do, because I really don't see us overpaying for guys yet. I definitely see us grabbing a couple of SP's. Probably a couple of bullpen arms as well, especially if we trade Marmol this month, which I think we will. Youkilis at 3B, use Vitters as trade bait? Upton, if we can get him on a 2-3 year deal?

[Little Slide Rooter]

The FA class is so weak, it'll be very interesting to see what we do, because I really don't see us overpaying for guys yet. I definitely see us grabbing a couple of SP's. Probably a couple of bullpen arms as well, especially if we trade Marmol this month, which I think we will. Youkilis at 3B, use Vitters as trade bait? Upton, if we can get him on a 2-3 year deal?

 

I don't see Youklis as an option. My bet is that Stewart will start at 3rd, with Vitters either in the OF or Iowa. There's no reason that Stewart shouldn't be given one more look post surgery. There's be a lot of :banghead: if we NT him and he becomes a .260/.800 something hitter with plus defense for somebody while Youklis spends the bulk of the year on the DL.

[C.C.]

The FA class is so weak, it'll be very interesting to see what we do, because I really don't see us overpaying for guys yet. I definitely see us grabbing a couple of SP's. Probably a couple of bullpen arms as well, especially if we trade Marmol this month, which I think we will. Youkilis at 3B, use Vitters as trade bait? Upton, if we can get him on a 2-3 year deal?

 

Vitters as trade bait at this point is worthless. What value would you get from him if any?

[davell]

His AAA season has put him back on the map much moreso than 20ish major league AB's would take him off it. Just because I mentioned using him as trade bait, doesn't mean I think of him as some outstanding chip though. By himself, he isn't getting us much of a return, unless he turns it around and has a phenomenal last month and a half. At which point, we'd probably hesitate trading him anyway. My hope is he can be part of a trade with Atlanta for Delgado or part of a deal with Oakland, for any one of a list of their young pitching.

[Little Slide Rooter]

His AAA season has put him back on the map much moreso than 20ish major league AB's would take him off it. Just because I mentioned using him as trade bait, doesn't mean I think of him as some outstanding chip though. By himself, he isn't getting us much of a return, unless he turns it around and has a phenomenal last month and a half. At which point, we'd probably hesitate trading him anyway. My hope is he can be part of a trade with Atlanta for Delgado or part of a deal with Oakland, for any one of a list of their young pitching.

 

I honestly feel as though the A's would appreciate Darwin Barney more than Vitters, especially since they could use him as a SS.

[davell]

His AAA season has put him back on the map much moreso than 20ish major league AB's would take him off it. Just because I mentioned using him as trade bait, doesn't mean I think of him as some outstanding chip though. By himself, he isn't getting us much of a return, unless he turns it around and has a phenomenal last month and a half. At which point, we'd probably hesitate trading him anyway. My hope is he can be part of a trade with Atlanta for Delgado or part of a deal with Oakland, for any one of a list of their young pitching.

 

I honestly feel as though the A's would appreciate Darwin Barney more than Vitters, especially since they could use him as a SS.

 

It could be both, or one of them and Brett or any number of combos, but they have plenty of pitching and needs in the OF, SS, and 3B, probably to be filled cheaply. Atlanta is in the same boat, minus MIF. But if we're to acquire any young pitching this offseason, it's a strong possibility it's from one of those two teams. Since it's very unlikely Garza's being moved.

[sneakypower]

His AAA season has put him back on the map much moreso than 20ish major league AB's would take him off it. Just because I mentioned using him as trade bait, doesn't mean I think of him as some outstanding chip though. By himself, he isn't getting us much of a return, unless he turns it around and has a phenomenal last month and a half. At which point, we'd probably hesitate trading him anyway. My hope is he can be part of a trade with Atlanta for Delgado or part of a deal with Oakland, for any one of a list of their young pitching.

 

I honestly feel as though the A's would appreciate Darwin Barney more than Vitters, especially since they could use him as a SS.

well that, and he's ten times the player Vitters is

[dew1679666265]

I'm all for an offseason approach like last with more volume. I really think they'll add 1-2 bullpen arms, even if they cost a little. Certainly a SP or two like Maholm.

 

Where in the field though? 3B and OF are only options I see.

 

Not sure I see a point in spending anything on bullpen arms if we plan to tank another season or two. It's questionable enough when you're trying to win games.

[dew1679666265]

nm Edited August 18, 2012 by dew

[davell]

Well, you'd do it to trade them, I guess. Personally, I see us adding a closer on a one year, because I think Marmol's getting dealt this month. Keep one of Camp or Corpas and add one other guy like a Durbin. Fill out the pen with Russell, Cabrera, Beliveau, Dolis, Maine, whoever sticks after Russell. Maybe have a rubber arm like Germano to be your swing guy.

[dew1679666265]

Well, you'd do it to trade them, I guess. Personally, I see us adding a closer on a one year, because I think Marmol's getting dealt this month. Keep one of Camp or Corpas and add one other guy like a Durbin. Fill out the pen with Russell, Cabrera, Beliveau, Dolis, Maine, whoever sticks after Russell. Maybe have a rubber arm like Germano to be your swing guy.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple ST invites like Corpas and Camp were, but I think any closer we signed would be to a longer deal than would be easily tradeable at next year's deadline.

 

I took UMFan's post to mean we'd spend actual money on relievers and I'd be surprised if we did. Far too volatile to have any expectations to deal them at the deadline.