Minor League Discussion & Boxes 7-1-12

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Box Scores

 

Iowa lost 13-12 Box Score

 

CF B. Jackson 2/5, 2 R, 2B (18), 3B (10), 2 RBI, BB, K

2B A. Cardenas 3/5, 2 R, 2 2B (11), RBI, BB

3B J. Vitters 3/6, 2 R, 2 2B (21), RBI

C W. Castillo 1/4, R, RBI, K, HBP

RF D. Sappelt 1/3, 2 R, HR (4), RBI, 2 BB, K

1B B. Lalli 3/4, 2 R, 2B (9), 3 RBI, BB

SP F. De La Cruz 4.1 IP, 8 H, 9 R, 7 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 3 WP, 7-3 GO-FO, 99-59 pitches-strikes

RP J. Jackson 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K, 1-0 GO-FO

RP M. Bowden 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K

 

Tennessee lost 3-0 Box Score

 

2B L. Watkins 0/3, BB, K, HBP

C JH Ha 1/3, 2B (18), BB

SS J. Lake 0/4, K, 2 E (20, throw, fielding)

1B J. Bour 3/4, 2 2B (23), K

SP N. Struck 5 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 2 K, 10-3 GO-FO, 92-55 pitches-strikes; hitting: 0/1, BB, K

RP C. Harman 2 IP, H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 4 K, WP, 1-1 GO-FO

RP C. Weathers 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 K, 2-0 GO-FO

 

Daytona lost 5-3 Box Score

 

SS A. Alcantara 0/3, BB, 2 K, E (31, fielding)

2B R. Torreyes 0/2, HBP

CF M. Szczur 1/3, R, 2B (15), RBI, BB, K, outfield assist at second base

1B R. Ridling 2/3, R, 2 2B (5), RBI, BB

LF J. Andreoli 0/2, RBI, BB, E (5, fielding)

SP M. Loosen 6 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, WP, 8-6 GO-FO

RP AJ Morris 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K, 4-0 GO-FO

 

Peoria lost 7-2 Box Score

 

2B Z. DeVoss 1/3, RBI, BB, CS (7), E (13, throw)

CF T. Easterling 3/3, HBP, SB (15), 2 CS (7)

DH D. Geiger 2/3, HBP

SS Ja. Baez 1/3, R, HBP

RF O. Zapata 1/4, K, CS (9)

SP S. Peralta 8 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, HBP, 16-4 GO-FO

 

Boise in progress Box Score

 

2B G. Amaya 0/4, 2 K

SS M. Hernandez 0/5, K

3B-1B J. Candelario 2/5, K

DH C. Krist 3/3, BB, PO (1)

RF B. Rademacher 1/4

CF T. Martin 1/4, 2 K

1B R. Shoulders 0/3

LF DY Kim 2/4, 2B (2), HR (3), RBI, K

SP J. Pugliese 4 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K, HBP, 7-0 GO-FO, E (1, fielding)

RP R. Diplan 0.2 IP, 0 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 0 K, 1-1 GO-FO

 

AZL Cubs in progress Box Score

 

CF R. Crawford 0/4, R, BB, 2 K

SS T. Saunders 2/4, 2 R, RBI, BB

1B D. Vogelbach 4/5, 2 R, 3B (1), HR (1), 3 RBI - first professional HR

2B C. Penalver 1/5, RBI, E (3, throw)

LF G. Schlecht 0/2, R, 2 BB, K

SP E. Elias 3 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 2-3 GO-FO

RP N. Dorris 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 1 K, 2 GO-0 FO

RP S. Perakslis 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 2 K, 3-1 GO-FO

 

DSL Cubs 1 and 2 have the day off.

[Guest]

Probable Starters

 

Iowa: RHP Frankie De La Cruz (2.90 ERA, 4.85 FIP, 62 IP, 33 K, 34 BB)

Tennessee: RHP Nick Struck (3.74 ERA, 4.07 FIP, 89 IP, 72 K, 30 BB)

Daytona: RHP Matt Loosen (3.00 ERA, 4.34 FIP, 60 IP, 59 K, 22 BB)

Peoria: RHP Starling Peralta (4.30 ERA, 6.12 FIP, 23 IP, 13 K, 13 BB)

Boise: RHP James Pugliese (4.91 ERA, 4.20 FIP, 14.2 IP, 8 K, 6 BB)

AZL Cubs: RHP Alvido Jimenez (10.50 ERA, 6.06 FIP, 6 IP, 6 K, 3 BB)

[Vinestal]

(@Vinestal)

6/30/12 3:49 PM

@dsmaples are they giving you any kind of idea when you'll be able to pitch again? What's the diagnosis? Rest and rehab till its better?

 

Dillon Maples (@dsmaples)

7/1/12 3:44 AM

@Vinestal I'll be throwing in games in july

 

So he still believes he'll be pitching in games soon. Hopefully he's right.

[Guest]

Starling Peralta with a really nice outing - 8 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 16-4 pitches-strikes.

 

I'm pretty sure that's the longest outing by a Cub in the minors all season.

[El Duderino]

Starling Peralta with a really nice outing - 8 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 16-4 pitches-strikes.

 

I'm pretty sure that's the longest outing by a Cub in the minors all season.

 

16 groundball outs, wow.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Baez 1/3 with a 2B.

[TruffleShuffle]

larry suarez can't be too far from being released. pretty disappointing given that he got a sizable bonus IIRC.

[El Duderino]

Baez 1/3 with a 2B.

 

He was also hit again.

[Little Slide Rooter]

(@Vinestal)

6/30/12 3:49 PM

@dsmaples are they giving you any kind of idea when you'll be able to pitch again? What's the diagnosis? Rest and rehab till its better?

 

Dillon Maples (@dsmaples)

7/1/12 3:44 AM

@Vinestal I'll be throwing in games in july

 

So he still believes he'll be pitching in games soon. Hopefully he's right.

 

Sweet. Can't wait to have a starting pitching prospect who's ceiling isn't Casey Coleman.

[Guest]

larry suarez can't be too far from being released. pretty disappointing given that he got a sizable bonus IIRC.

 

Yeah, gotta believe Suarez and Hayden Simpson will be cut this offseason.

[Magnetic Curses]

larry suarez can't be too far from being released. pretty disappointing given that he got a sizable bonus IIRC.

 

Larry Suarez can't be a real name.

[Guest]

Szczur is 1-2 with a double, a walk and an OF assist.

 

I'm pretty close to moving him above Brett on my prospect list despite the difference in level.

[Guest]

Come on now, it's one thing to worry about Jackson's strikeouts, but to value them over superior production two levels higher(and in their entire careers) while being only 11 months older is a little crazy.

[ctcf]

Things going normally in Iowa. Brett with a K and Vitters with an RBI double

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Jackson with an RBI double. It's unreal what kind of production he can maintain in his non-K PAs.

[CubColtPacer]

Come on now, it's one thing to worry about Jackson's strikeouts, but to value them over superior production two levels higher(and in their entire careers) while being only 11 months older is a little crazy.

 

Well, I'd certainly call Szczur's production this year higher. An .800 OPS in the FSL with a .390 OBP is better value than an .830 in the PCL with a .340 OBP, and it really isn't that close. That's even taking into account the fact that one is a somewhat raw 22 year old in high A while the other one is 23 in AAA.

 

Then you look at the other factors. Jackson definitely has a much better minor league track record before this year. Jackson also has the higher ceiling, although Sczcur is more likely to stick in CF. But I think I'd label Sczcur as the safer one to hit his ceiling at this point because of Jackson's strikeout issues and the fact that Sczcur is going to get more value out of his defense (which is more easily projectable than offense). While Sczcur is still 2 levels below which throws more uncertainty in, his BB/K ratio and his speed should make him less prone to numbers collapsing at a higher level than some other prospects.

 

So I'd probably give it to Jackson, but I could see people putting Sczcur ahead because there are so few comparables to what Jackson is doing right now. While Sczcur has definitely taken some big steps foward as a prospect this year, if you put him ahead of Jackson that's more of an indictment of Jackson than anything IMO.

[rawaction]

To temper some of the Vitters love. He's left 5 runners on base the last 2 times at bat, with popouts in foul territory (neither got past the dugout) on a combined 3 pitches.

[rawaction]

Come on now, it's one thing to worry about Jackson's strikeouts, but to value them over superior production two levels higher(and in their entire careers) while being only 11 months older is a little crazy.

 

Well, I'd certainly call Szczur's production this year higher. An .800 OPS in the FSL with a .390 OBP is better value than an .830 in the PCL with a .340 OBP, and it really isn't that close. That's even taking into account the fact that one is a somewhat raw 22 year old in high A while the other one is 23 in AAA.

 

Then you look at the other factors. Jackson definitely has a much better minor league track record before this year. Jackson also has the higher ceiling, although Sczcur is more likely to stick in CF. But I think I'd label Sczcur as the safer one to hit his ceiling at this point because of Jackson's strikeout issues and the fact that Sczcur is going to get more value out of his defense (which is more easily projectable than offense). While Sczcur is still 2 levels below which throws more uncertainty in, his BB/K ratio and his speed should make him less prone to numbers collapsing at a higher level than some other prospects.

 

So I'd probably give it to Jackson, but I could see people putting Sczcur ahead because there are so few comparables to what Jackson is doing right now. While Sczcur has definitely taken some big steps foward as a prospect this year, if you put him ahead of Jackson that's more of an indictment of Jackson than anything IMO.

 

Track record is the key for me. Jackson's Daytona numbers run circles around Szczur's. Granted they are completely different players (Jackson in a different class power-wise). And it's hard for me to say Szczur is a safer bet to hit his ceiling, because he has a couple levels to go before the majors. Jackson is a call-up away from the majors. His K rate wasn't that bad in the lower levels of the minors, and while it's not likely to be anything as disturbing as Brett is going thru right now, Szczur could very well have more trouble making contact when he faces more experienced pitchers.

[TruffleShuffle]

To temper some of the Vitters love. He's left 5 runners on base the last 2 times at bat, with popouts in foul territory (neither got past the dugout) on a combined 3 pitches.

 

4 pitches seen in 3 plate appearances today :x

[davell]

Brett fills out a boxscore line better than anyone. 3 plate appearances, a K, a walk, a double, a steal, a run, and an RBI.

[Guest]

Come on now, it's one thing to worry about Jackson's strikeouts, but to value them over superior production two levels higher(and in their entire careers) while being only 11 months older is a little crazy.

 

Well, I'd certainly call Szczur's production this year higher. An .800 OPS in the FSL with a .390 OBP is better value than an .830 in the PCL with a .340 OBP, and it really isn't that close. That's even taking into account the fact that one is a somewhat raw 22 year old in high A while the other one is 23 in AAA.

 

Then you look at the other factors. Jackson definitely has a much better minor league track record before this year. Jackson also has the higher ceiling, although Sczcur is more likely to stick in CF. But I think I'd label Sczcur as the safer one to hit his ceiling at this point because of Jackson's strikeout issues and the fact that Sczcur is going to get more value out of his defense (which is more easily projectable than offense). While Sczcur is still 2 levels below which throws more uncertainty in, his BB/K ratio and his speed should make him less prone to numbers collapsing at a higher level than some other prospects.

 

So I'd probably give it to Jackson, but I could see people putting Sczcur ahead because there are so few comparables to what Jackson is doing right now. While Sczcur has definitely taken some big steps foward as a prospect this year, if you put him ahead of Jackson that's more of an indictment of Jackson than anything IMO.

 

Track record is the key for me. Jackson's Daytona numbers run circles around Szczur's. Granted they are completely different players (Jackson in a different class power-wise). And it's hard for me to say Szczur is a safer bet to hit his ceiling, because he has a couple levels to go before the majors. Jackson is a call-up away from the majors. His K rate wasn't that bad in the lower levels of the minors, and while it's not likely to be anything as disturbing as Brett is going thru right now, Szczur could very well have more trouble making contact when he faces more experienced pitchers.

 

Exactly.

 

Jackson in Daytona (Age 21): 312 PA, .316/.420/.517, 20% K%, 14% BB%

Szczur in Daytona (Age 22): 258 PA, .289/387/.410, 14% K%, 12% BB%

 

And this is Szczur's 2nd attempt at Daytona. Not that we shouldn't be happy with Szczur's progress this year or prospect status, but I think we're going a little too far with the Jackson pessimism.

[rawaction]

Jackson RBI triple in the 6th.

[ctcf]

Brett Jackson is weird

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Vitters with another double. First pitch, of course.

 

I'm waving the white flag on Jackson hating. I didn't think he could keep getting XBHs at this rate, but he does.

[TruffleShuffle]

but I think we're going a little too far with the Jackson pessimism.

 

agreed. the strikeouts are a concern, but he still does a lot of things well. if we're not counting rizzo any more, i'd still have him up with almora (assuming he signs) and baez, still pretty solidly ahead of vitters and szczur and (i guess) candelario.