2012 Draft Day Thread + Cubs Picks Discussion

[CUBZ99]

That was actually painful to read; the entire time I reading that I was simultaneously cringing and feeling embarrassed on the writer's behalf.

 

You are going to feel pretty silly when Tim Saunders is an All Star SS in 2-4 years.

[17 Seconds]

Of the pitchers who sign, which should we expect to see play this year? Will most of them be shut down?

[CUBZ99]

I'm sure this has been asked already, but with the new CBA if the Cubs spend $1-2MM less than allotted on picks 1-10 are they able to spend that money in rounds 11 on? I've noticed that they have been saving some here and there with some of the earlier picks.

[El Duderino]

They might have saved that money for Blackburn.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm sure this has been asked already, but with the new CBA if the Cubs spend $1-2MM less than allotted on picks 1-10 are they able to spend that money in rounds 11 on? I've noticed that they have been saving some here and there with some of the earlier picks.

 

Any dollar over $100,000 for rounds 11 on has to come from your 1-10 budget.

[davell]

They might have saved that money for Blackburn.

 

Blackburn makes it seem like he's signed, since he said he's going to Arizona. He also wasn't expecting to get drafted until the 2nd round, plus he wasn't really considered a "tough sign" according to BA. I'll be surprised if he requires any overslot and kind of expect him to come in a tad under slot value myself.

[El Duderino]

They might have saved that money for Blackburn.

 

Blackburn makes it seem like he's signed, since he said he's going to Arizona. He also wasn't expecting to get drafted until the 2nd round, plus he wasn't really considered a "tough sign" according to BA. I'll be surprised if he requires any overslot and kind of expect him to come in a tad under slot value myself.

 

For some reason I was under the impression his commitment to ASU was strong. D'oh.

[davell]

Of the pitchers who sign, which should we expect to see play this year? Will most of them be shut down?

 

No clue. My guess is every organization is going to handle this differently and I doubt there's a right or wrong answer to it. I want to see our guys pitching, but my guess is we severely limit their innings. Johnson, in particular, since he's had a few injury issues previously.

[Guest]

I'm sure this has been asked already, but with the new CBA if the Cubs spend $1-2MM less than allotted on picks 1-10 are they able to spend that money in rounds 11 on? I've noticed that they have been saving some here and there with some of the earlier picks.

 

As long as they sign all their rds 1-10 picks, they can spread the extra bonus money elsewhere. I doubt they'll have anywhere near $1 million because Almora, Blackburn and Underwood will probably need slight over slots.

[Guest]

They might have saved that money for Blackburn.

 

Blackburn makes it seem like he's signed, since he said he's going to Arizona. He also wasn't expecting to get drafted until the 2nd round, plus he wasn't really considered a "tough sign" according to BA. I'll be surprised if he requires any overslot and kind of expect him to come in a tad under slot value myself.

 

For some reason I was under the impression his commitment to ASU was strong. D'oh.

No, BA said he was a tougher sign though not impossible. Looks like he wasn't as tough as it BA said, which means Theo and co did their homework on him.

[Guest]

Of the pitchers who sign, which should we expect to see play this year? Will most of them be shut down?

No idea. 1) There are 2 different variables from past years: earlier signing date (7/13 rather than 8/15), meaning all the pitchers will have time to actually pitch and 2) new regime/leadership.

 

I want Pierce Johnson shut down because he already threw nearly 100 IP this year and had a forearm injury. The big HS arms will probably be protected anyways.

[craig]

Senior signs in rounds 8 and 9 were both $10K guys, so I assume that will be for Martin round 10 as well. Assuming Martin at $10K, given the known values for 7, 8, and 9, given the BA reported value for Conway, and given Prieto said he signed for $200K, we've got over $850K of discretionary.

 

That's between the overage 5%, and the the known/reported deals for 4, 5, 7-9, and the assumed $10K for 10.

 

Time will tell what/who that discretionary money is being saved for. But it seems pretty evident that by the time they were finished with day 1, it was very much in their plan to go with signable guys. And from rounds 4-10, mostly subslot, frequently severely so. Six of the 7 guys from 4-10 have signed, and the only one of those six who did not go at least $50K under slot was Bruno.

 

I assume much of the $878K discretionary will be absorbed by Almora. Even though it doesn't really seem obvious that he has any leverage or reason to go overslot, or that he himself would really want to walk away from a $3.25 slot offer, or a little less. But it could be split up between Almora, Blackburn, Underwood, and McNeil in some way, too, who knows. I'm not really expecting them to save it all and to end up signing Wiseman or anything like that. But even if it's not all $878K, it would be fun if they could save at least several hundred K of that for overslotting in 11-40. To be able to sign a few guys at $200K or $250K, or perhaps less, would be pretty fun.

[davell]

I think Wiseman is a no-go. I think if we have any cash left over, it's going to go towards Hickman, Drossner, Fisher, or Bonnell. Hopefully more than one of them actually.

[Guest]

I think Wiseman is a no-go. I think if we have any cash left over, it's going to go towards Hickman, Drossner, Fisher, or Bonnell. Hopefully more than one of them actually.

Agreed on Wiseman. My hope is they get Crum this time.

[craig]

I also agree on Wiseman being a non-factor. I do wonder why they'd have wasted a pick on him, though.

[SouthSideRyan]

I also agree on Wiseman being a non-factor. I do wonder why they'd have wasted a pick on him, though.

 

Establish a relationship for 3 years down the road?

[Guest]

I also agree on Wiseman being a non-factor. I do wonder why they'd have wasted a pick on him, though.

 

Establish a relationship for 3 years down the road?

Take a flyer on a New England kid who clearly knows/respects/looks up to Theo and his brain trust and hope that might give then an advantage to sway him? Wiseman has gushed about Cubs leadership since being drafted.

[Wrigley Rat]

UC San Diego pitcher Tony York signed a free agent contract with the Chicago Cubs Thursday. The senior right-hander recently completed his collegiate career, serving as UCSD’s primary closer in 2012.

http://www.lajollalight.com/2012/06/15/uc-san-diego-pitcher-inks-deal-with-chicago-cubs/

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Excellent news:

 

Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisBA

 

#Cubs, supp 1st-rder Paul Blackburn agree on $911,700 (full value). Calif HS RHP, clean delivery, 90-94 FB, potential 3 + pitches. #mlbdraft

[CyHawk_Cub]

Excellent news:

 

Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisBA

 

#Cubs, supp 1st-rder Paul Blackburn agree on $911,700 (full value). Calif HS RHP, clean delivery, 90-94 FB, potential 3 + pitches. #mlbdraft

 

Oh yes...great news. Now get Underwood in as well

[Guest]

26th rounder Jasvir Rakkar just gave up a 2-run double to UCLA out of Stony Brook's pen.

 

Apparently he's Indian too.

[Magnetic Curses]

26th rounder Jasvir Rakkar just gave up a 2-run double to UCLA out of Stony Brook's pen.

 

Apparently he's Indian too.

 

We call them native americans now.

[TruffleShuffle]

I also agree on Wiseman being a non-factor. I do wonder why they'd have wasted a pick on him, though.

 

it's the 25th round, why not take a chance? it's not like bryce harper part ii is just sitting there ready to be selected.

[craig]

I also agree on Wiseman being a non-factor. I do wonder why they'd have wasted a pick on him, though.

 

it's the 25th round, why not take a chance? it's not like bryce harper part ii is just sitting there ready to be selected.

 

Oh. I'd thought there was, glad to know otherwise. :)

 

There are guys after 25 that are valued enough to be worth signing. There are HS picks that are projectible and have possibilities who are signable for overslot at or after 25. The Cubs may try to sign some of them. Guys like Jensen, McNutt, Struck have been signable at or after 25 for modest overslots that are not unrealistic. So I don't think you should quit drafting at round 25 and just goof around.

 

The chance that they sign some HS guy after 25 who becomes good are very unfavorable. But they aren't zero.

 

Seems to me that while the likelihood of Wiseman signing is low, that it must be more than zero.

Edited June 16, 2012 by craig

[A New Era]

Excellent news:

 

Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisBA

 

#Cubs, supp 1st-rder Paul Blackburn agree on $911,700 (full value). Calif HS RHP, clean delivery, 90-94 FB, potential 3 + pitches. #mlbdraft

 

Oh yes...great news. Now get Underwood in as well

 

Pena bye-bye Ramire bye-bye = Paul Blackburn and Pierce Johnson. See Hendry? That's how you do it. I remember getting fumed a few times where it was obvious said upcoming FA would not accept arb and Hendry didn't even offer.