Minor League Discussion & Boxes 6-3-12

[StarlinOnYou]

Baez is GOD

[rawaction]

Brett Jackson leads off with a swinging K, missing 2 pitches on/away from the outside corner according to gamecast. Facing a lefty again.

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Raley struck out the side, but gave up 3 singles in between the 2 to leadoff the game and the 3rd out of the inning.

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6-pitch walk for Rizzo. Vitters GIDP

[El Duderino]

Jackson and Vitters are hitless tonight.

 

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Jackson with a 2-out single in the 7th. 1-4, 2Ks (1 looking, 1 swinging)

[toonsterwu]

Thanks for the report tt. Not the first time that ive heard velo concerns on burke. Hope he can pick it up, but if not, maybe they should fast track him to daytonas pen.

[Guest]

Question... We've talked about BJax's K rate ad nauseum around here. I know some, maybe most, of it is due to contact issues, but just how much of it is a result of his extremely patient approach?

 

I'm wondering what the typical minor league strikeout rates might be for some of the more patient (i.e. more P/PA) big league hitters.

[wvcbxl]

Easterling - Hit a sharp line drive for a double in the first and hit a tailing liner to right later in the game. Looked handsome throughout.

 

:lol: :lol:

[Magnetic Curses]

Question... We've talked about BJax's K rate ad nauseum around here. I know some, maybe most, of it is due to contact issues, but just how much of it is a result of his extremely patient approach?

 

I'm wondering what the typical minor league strikeout rates might be for some of the more patient (i.e. more P/PA) big league hitters.

 

yeah, i agree, he'll strike out a lot at any level, but his power and patience numbers are good enough at every level to assume that the k rate is something we'll have to live with and not indicative of poor pitch recognition. people are so caught up with that k rate as an indicator of future failure that they don't see the rest of it.

 

jackson will be just fine.

[Guest]

While Jackson's high K rate is the best kind of high K rate due to his selectivity, he's still dealing with inferior players at the AAA level. The list of MLB players who are able to be productive with a K rate as high as Jackson's(even assuming it doesn't increase with MLB competition) is not a long one, regardless of whether the K rate is due to pitch recognition, selectivity, poor hit tool, etc.

[rawaction]

I know this doesn't mean anything and I don't have anything concrete to back this up, but it seems like during Brett's really bad streak, he had very few long ABs. The majority of his Ks were 4-5 pitch ABs. I made a point to check his pitch-by-pitch in the boxscores every day and that's what I noticed.

[CubColtPacer]

Question... We've talked about BJax's K rate ad nauseum around here. I know some, maybe most, of it is due to contact issues, but just how much of it is a result of his extremely patient approach?

 

I'm wondering what the typical minor league strikeout rates might be for some of the more patient (i.e. more P/PA) big league hitters.

 

Here are the top 10 in P/PA from last year and their minor and major league strikeout rate (I didn't include Fukudome since he doesn't have minor league statistics):

 

Curtis Granderson- 18.9% minor league, 22.1% major league

Jayson Werth- 20.1% minor league, 24.5% major league

Bobby Abreu- 18.5% minor league, 18.3% major league

Carlos Santana-14.8% minor league, 19.2% major league

Jose Bautista-19.8% minor league, 19.4% major league

Jamey Carroll-9.6% minor league, 13.7% major league

Mark Reynolds-23.2% minor league, 33.1% major league

Dustin Pedroia-8.6% minor league, 8.6% major league

Brett Gardner-16.6% minor league, 16.8% major league

Kevin Youkillis-18.4% minor league, 18.4% major league

 

Brett Jackson has a career 24.8% minor league strikeout rate (close to 30% in AAA). Some of that is due to his patient approach, but it's unusual and not very encouraging for his rate to be so high, and to have such a spike against more advanced pitchers.

[Magnetic Curses]

While Jackson's high K rate is the best kind of high K rate due to his selectivity, he's still dealing with inferior players at the AAA level. The list of MLB players who are able to be productive with a K rate as high as Jackson's(even assuming it doesn't increase with MLB competition) is not a long one, regardless of whether the K rate is due to pitch recognition, selectivity, poor hit tool, etc.

 

but it's been like that at every level and hasn't truly hurt him, yet. sure, there are few players who can be successful with as high a k rate, but jackson is a rare talent himself. i'm thinking curtis granderson.

[Magnetic Curses]

Question... We've talked about BJax's K rate ad nauseum around here. I know some, maybe most, of it is due to contact issues, but just how much of it is a result of his extremely patient approach?

 

I'm wondering what the typical minor league strikeout rates might be for some of the more patient (i.e. more P/PA) big league hitters.

 

Here are the top 10 in P/PA from last year and their minor and major league strikeout rate (I didn't include Fukudome since he doesn't have minor league statistics):

 

Curtis Granderson- 18.9% minor league, 22.1% major league

Jayson Werth- 20.1% minor league, 24.5% major league

Bobby Abreu- 18.5% minor league, 18.3% major league

Carlos Santana-14.8% minor league, 19.2% major league

Jose Bautista-19.8% minor league, 19.4% major league

Jamey Carroll-9.6% minor league, 13.7% major league

Mark Reynolds-23.2% minor league, 33.1% major league

Dustin Pedroia-8.6% minor league, 8.6% major league

Brett Gardner-16.6% minor league, 16.8% major league

Kevin Youkillis-18.4% minor league, 18.4% major league

 

Brett Jackson has a career 24.8% minor league strikeout rate (close to 30% in AAA). Some of that is due to his patient approach, but it's unusual and not very encouraging for his rate to be so high, and to have such a spike against more advanced pitchers.

 

where does adam dunn fall, though?

 

but anyway, we'll make a bet. if jackson hasn't had a relatively productive major league career in 10 years, i owe you a coke.

[Guest]

While Jackson's high K rate is the best kind of high K rate due to his selectivity, he's still dealing with inferior players at the AAA level. The list of MLB players who are able to be productive with a K rate as high as Jackson's(even assuming it doesn't increase with MLB competition) is not a long one, regardless of whether the K rate is due to pitch recognition, selectivity, poor hit tool, etc.

 

but it's been like that at every level and hasn't truly hurt him, yet. sure, there are few players who can be successful with as high a k rate, but jackson is a rare talent himself. i'm thinking curtis granderson.

 

I don't think anyone has major concerns about Jackson's K rate hurting him at the levels it was at prior to Iowa(22.7%). It's now that he's at Iowa and facing some more savvy pitchers that's cause for concern(30% in 450 PAs).

[Cubswin11]

Has Jackson been able to carry a relatively high BABIP through his minor league career? And is there typically a strong correlation between guys being able to carry higher BABIP from the minors to majors?

[Magnetic Curses]

While Jackson's high K rate is the best kind of high K rate due to his selectivity, he's still dealing with inferior players at the AAA level. The list of MLB players who are able to be productive with a K rate as high as Jackson's(even assuming it doesn't increase with MLB competition) is not a long one, regardless of whether the K rate is due to pitch recognition, selectivity, poor hit tool, etc.

 

but it's been like that at every level and hasn't truly hurt him, yet. sure, there are few players who can be successful with as high a k rate, but jackson is a rare talent himself. i'm thinking curtis granderson.

 

I don't think anyone has major concerns about Jackson's K rate hurting him at the levels it was at prior to Iowa(22.7%). It's now that he's at Iowa and facing some more savvy pitchers that's cause for concern(30% in 450 PAs).

 

what's he slugging in those 450 pas?

[sneakypower]

.527

[rawaction]

Question... We've talked about BJax's K rate ad nauseum around here. I know some, maybe most, of it is due to contact issues, but just how much of it is a result of his extremely patient approach?

 

I'm wondering what the typical minor league strikeout rates might be for some of the more patient (i.e. more P/PA) big league hitters.

 

Here are the top 10 in P/PA from last year and their minor and major league strikeout rate (I didn't include Fukudome since he doesn't have minor league statistics):

 

Curtis Granderson- 18.9% minor league, 22.1% major league

Jayson Werth- 20.1% minor league, 24.5% major league

Bobby Abreu- 18.5% minor league, 18.3% major league

Carlos Santana-14.8% minor league, 19.2% major league

Jose Bautista-19.8% minor league, 19.4% major league

Jamey Carroll-9.6% minor league, 13.7% major league

Mark Reynolds-23.2% minor league, 33.1% major league

Dustin Pedroia-8.6% minor league, 8.6% major league

Brett Gardner-16.6% minor league, 16.8% major league

Kevin Youkillis-18.4% minor league, 18.4% major league

 

Brett Jackson has a career 24.8% minor league strikeout rate (close to 30% in AAA). Some of that is due to his patient approach, but it's unusual and not very encouraging for his rate to be so high, and to have such a spike against more advanced pitchers.

 

where does adam dunn fall, though?

 

but anyway, we'll make a bet. if jackson hasn't had a relatively productive major league career in 10 years, i owe you a coke.

 

Yeah, I wonder how it looks if you take the guys with the highest K rate and see how the numbers look. Just doing quick math in my head, there are only a handful of players at or above 30% K-rate, none of them have a BA over .250.

 

I guess the good news is if he can get that number around 26-27%, he could be a pretty productive player like Nelson Cruz or Curtis Granderson, though he doesn't have Granderson's power. Adam Dunn's numbers are just uncomparable to anyone's.

[Guest]

Adam Dunn's MiLB K rate was 18%, and he reached MLB at age 21. His MiLB AVG was over .300. I would not have guessed these things.

[Guest]

Question... We've talked about BJax's K rate ad nauseum around here. I know some, maybe most, of it is due to contact issues, but just how much of it is a result of his extremely patient approach?

 

I'm wondering what the typical minor league strikeout rates might be for some of the more patient (i.e. more P/PA) big league hitters.

 

Here are the top 10 in P/PA from last year and their minor and major league strikeout rate (I didn't include Fukudome since he doesn't have minor league statistics):

 

Curtis Granderson- 18.9% minor league, 22.1% major league

Jayson Werth- 20.1% minor league, 24.5% major league

Bobby Abreu- 18.5% minor league, 18.3% major league

Carlos Santana-14.8% minor league, 19.2% major league

Jose Bautista-19.8% minor league, 19.4% major league

Jamey Carroll-9.6% minor league, 13.7% major league

Mark Reynolds-23.2% minor league, 33.1% major league

Dustin Pedroia-8.6% minor league, 8.6% major league

Brett Gardner-16.6% minor league, 16.8% major league

Kevin Youkillis-18.4% minor league, 18.4% major league

 

Brett Jackson has a career 24.8% minor league strikeout rate (close to 30% in AAA). Some of that is due to his patient approach, but it's unusual and not very encouraging for his rate to be so high, and to have such a spike against more advanced pitchers.

 

Awesome info. Thanks.

 

And wow at Pedroia.

[Guest]

Adam Dunn's MiLB K rate was 18%, and he reached MLB at age 21. His MiLB AVG was over .300. I would not have guessed these things.

 

I was just looking at that last night. Nuts.

[CubColtPacer]

Question... We've talked about BJax's K rate ad nauseum around here. I know some, maybe most, of it is due to contact issues, but just how much of it is a result of his extremely patient approach?

 

I'm wondering what the typical minor league strikeout rates might be for some of the more patient (i.e. more P/PA) big league hitters.

 

Here are the top 10 in P/PA from last year and their minor and major league strikeout rate (I didn't include Fukudome since he doesn't have minor league statistics):

 

Curtis Granderson- 18.9% minor league, 22.1% major league

Jayson Werth- 20.1% minor league, 24.5% major league

Bobby Abreu- 18.5% minor league, 18.3% major league

Carlos Santana-14.8% minor league, 19.2% major league

Jose Bautista-19.8% minor league, 19.4% major league

Jamey Carroll-9.6% minor league, 13.7% major league

Mark Reynolds-23.2% minor league, 33.1% major league

Dustin Pedroia-8.6% minor league, 8.6% major league

Brett Gardner-16.6% minor league, 16.8% major league

Kevin Youkillis-18.4% minor league, 18.4% major league

 

Brett Jackson has a career 24.8% minor league strikeout rate (close to 30% in AAA). Some of that is due to his patient approach, but it's unusual and not very encouraging for his rate to be so high, and to have such a spike against more advanced pitchers.

 

where does adam dunn fall, though?

 

but anyway, we'll make a bet. if jackson hasn't had a relatively productive major league career in 10 years, i owe you a coke.

 

Here's Dunn's numbers:

 

Adam Dunn-18.2% minor league, 27.9% major league

 

I have no idea if Jackson will be productive or not. To do so, he'll likely need to prove that his AAA strikeout rate was a temporary high and not a trend. Even Jackson's cumulative 24.8% rate I could only find one player in MLB today that had a higher strikeout rate in the minors (Jack Cust, and that was not an exhaustive search so there could be a couple more).

[Guest]

Here's Dunn's numbers:

 

Adam Dunn-18.2% minor league, 27.9% major league

 

I have no idea if Jackson will be productive or not. To do so, he'll likely need to prove that his AAA strikeout rate was a temporary high and not a trend. Even Jackson's cumulative 24.8% rate I could only find one player in MLB today that had a higher strikeout rate in the minors (Jack Cust, and that was not an exhaustive search so there could be a couple more).

 

 

Ouch. That is definitely worrisome.