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Wouldn't be sexy, but I'd love to see us a pick or two from trades. Granted, Dempster and Garza are probably the only two pieces we may be dealing that could even garner a pick.
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Wouldn't be sexy, but I'd love to see us a pick or two from trades. Granted, Dempster and Garza are probably the only two pieces we may be dealing that could even garner a pick.

 

Tony (Illinois): With the new draft lottery today , and the picks being tradable , do you think the Cubs may be waiting to trade Dempster to see if a team that gets a pick is willing to include it in a trade ? Tigers or Indians?

 

Jim Callis: I believe the Cubs would prefer upper-level pitching prospects more than anything. I don't think they're waiting on the lottery today, but I'm sure they'd love to pick up an extra draft choice if possible.

 

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Bill (Bozeman): Where do you see Ryne Stanek stacking up among Friday starters next spring, and among draft-eligible college pitchers in terms of the draft?

 

Jim Callis: Mark Appel and Stanek are the top two college pitching prospects (maybe the top two prospects overall) for the 2013 draft.

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http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/2012/07/royals-win-competitive-balance-lottery/

 

The first six lottery selections will follow the 31 first-round choices, as well as any free-agent compensation choices. Because the compensation rules will change dramatically this offseason, there will be fewer supplemental first-rounders than in years past and the lottery selections likely will come at the top of the supplemental round.

 

As of today, they would be picks Nos. 32-37, which had assigned values ranging from $1.55 million to $1,394,300 this year. Those choices are significantly valuable in terms of stretching teams' signing bonus pools, which averaged $6.3 million in 2012.

 

Adding to their value, the lottery selections are the first picks in draft history that can be traded. Clubs can deal them (and transfer their bonus-pool values) during this regular season and next, up until two hours before the 2013 draft. An individual lottery pick can't be traded more than once.

 

“My feeling is everybody’s being real conservative at this point because until today, nobody had anything,” Goldberg said. “It could be a chip once the system settles in. We’re all learning through the newness of the whole process.

 

"We’re going to learn how to put value on these picks. It’s easier to put a value on a player. I’m not sure what that value’s going to be. I’m not sure anybody is yet.”

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Have I ever mentioned how overly lock happy this board is?

 

Mmmkay. I'd be surprised if we locked more than a thread a week, and that's being generous. But it's also not really relevant to the thread.

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Have I ever mentioned how overly lock happy this board is?

 

Mmmkay. I'd be surprised if we locked more than a thread a week, and that's being generous. But it's also not really relevant to the thread.

I'm guessing he posted here because you locked the other lottery thread. How dare all competitive lottery/June 2013 draft conversation be in one thread?

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Have I ever mentioned how overly lock happy this board is?

 

Mmmkay. I'd be surprised if we locked more than a thread a week, and that's being generous. But it's also not really relevant to the thread.

I'm guessing he posted here because you locked the other lottery thread. How dare all competitive lottery/June 2013 draft conversation be in one thread?

 

Yeah, that's why I put it here. It's not like there's a "discuss how lock happy NSBB is" thread, and I wasn't about to make one.

 

I probably have the least posts of any poster who has been active since 2003, I come here for baseball news and Cubs news, not particularly to post, and considering the lack of activity on this board since the Cubs started sucking, I imagine I'm not the only one that primarily just reads.

 

As a poster who is really only here for news, when I came to NSBB to look for news on the the competitive lottery, I was expecting a thread on it. You know, because the competitive lottery and the June 2013 draft are two different things that happen almost a year apart.

 

If the board were very active, I could understand it a little more, but the last thread on page one of the general baseball discussions board was last posted in on June 5th. We are not drowning in threads here. The thread wasn't hurting anything.

 

On the other hand, the locking on that thread isn't what actually bothers me. Its when people start being mean to each other so you lock the thread instead of just punishing the individual posters, completely blocking any possible further discussion about that topic. Merging multiple semi-related topics into one thread is a minor annoyance, but that is seriously [expletive] stupid. There have been several times in the past few months that I have wanted to comment on a thread only to find that it had been locked because people were bickering back and forth. And that's coming from somebody who barely posts, so if it happens to me I'm sure it happens to others as well.

 

Anyway, I've been here for 9 years, and 9 years from today I'll still be here, so it's not like it's a huge concern. It's just kinda silly in my opinion.

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The thread was locked because people were already talking about the lottery elsewhere, not because it happened to be a new thread. Reasonable people can disagree on the merits of keeping the topics separate. At worst they're intertwined.

 

As for other locked threads, a great deal of poster discipline is done out of the public eye. Assuming that just because a thread was locked that no other action was taken would be a very poor assumption.

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The thread was locked because people were already talking about the lottery elsewhere, not because it happened to be a new thread. Reasonable people can disagree on the merits of keeping the topics separate. At worst they're intertwined.

 

As for other locked threads, a great deal of poster discipline is done out of the public eye. Assuming that just because a thread was locked that no other action was taken would be a very poor assumption.

 

Yes, I know that, and what I'm saying is that the discussion in the other threads should have been directed to the thread about the competitive lottery. The competitive lottery is not a random baseball musing, nor is it the 2013 draft. Yes, they are intertwined, but they are not the same thing. I admit that this case is minor, but it just happens to be the one I decided to comment on. If I really wanted to I could go find a more bothersome case of topic merging.

 

I never said that poster discipline isn't done out of public eye, nor did I assume that because a topic was locked that no other discipline was done. I just said that locking the topic was stupid.

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Keith Law shares my thoughts exactly on the competitive balance picks:

 

I'll take these two together. I think any "competitive balance" lottery that gives a pick to the big-market/budget Tigers but not one to the Rays is an absolute farce. The picks will have recommended slot values, but there's no hard slotting anywhere in the draft - there's a cap with strong penalties for a team's total draft class, but not hard slots on individual picks. I think those picks do have value, probably equivalent to a good-not-great single-A prospect.

 

Other 2013 draft stuff:

 

 

Jake (Baltimore)

 

Could you envision Austin Meadows getting picked before Mark Appel?

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He's one possibility - huge tools, kind of raw, apparently hasn't looked good against breaking stuff this summer. Stanek is the biggest competition for Appel in the '13 class so far, in my opinion.

 

 

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It likely a team that passed on Appel in this year's prior draft (Astros & Cubs) will have the top spot in the draft. Why would a team be more likely to sign him next year if they passed this year?

Klaw  (1:16 PM)

 

If next year's crop is weaker relative to him, then they would. If not, then his gamble won't pay off.

 

 

JimBeau99 (Left Coast)

 

Hi Keith, thanks for the chat! So, even if Appel has a similarly excellant year and goes in the top 5, exactly what leverage does he have? He will no longer have the option of going back to school. He could sit/go independent-Japan for a year (or 2) and then re-enter the draft. Not sure that would improve his long term $$ potential. His only leverage would seem to be in that the drafting team would want to add him to their system (as an top notch pitcher). But that might not drive the dollars, since the team will likely feel they can do that for less than the calculated value for the pick - and they may still want to save pool $ for later picks to try and have a blockbuster draft. So how much leverage will Appel be able to generate, and even if he goes in the top 5, how much can he really expect to get?

Klaw  (1:40 PM)

 

He has credible commitment - he's already shown he'll turn down a relatively large bonus offer if it doesn't match his number. That's enough leverage to cause a team that doesn't view him as that valuable to pass on him in favor of a player who'll sign. No team wants to whiff on signing a first round pick.

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It has probably escaped most people's attention on this board, but Ryne Stanek is currently playing for Team USA in the Haarlem tournament in the Netherlands. Incidentally, the team is 4-1and Stanek was tagged with the one loss (to Puerto Rico).

Results and stats are here: http://www.honkbalweek.nl/index.php?hhw=programma&lang=eng&id=&event=&team=&wid= (page in English)

 

It hasn't escaped my attention; of course I'm primarily following along to see how well Adam Plutko and David Berg do.

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Clinton Hollon, one of the top prep arms for 2013, left a prospect showcase today because of elbow tendinitis though Conpr Glassey said it was mostly precautionary.
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BA has a top 50 for 2013 up. Subscriber: http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/draft/early-draft-preview/2013/2613833.html

 

1. Mark Appel, RHP, Stanford

2. Ryne Stanek, RHP, Arkansas

3. Sean Manaea, LHP, Indiana State - has blown up in the Cape Cod League (#1 in BA's CCL Hot Sheet nearly every week)

4. Austin Meadows, OF, Grayson HS (Loganville, GA)

5. Colin Moran, 3B, North Carolina

6. Kris Bryant, 3B, San Diego

7. Jonathan Crawford, RHP, Florida

8. Clint Frazier, OF, Loganville HS (Loganville, GA)

9. Trey Ball, LHP/OF, New Castle HS (New Castle, IN) - probably a pitcher in the pros

10. Reese McGuire, C, Covington HS (Kentwood, WA)

 

Whitson comes in at #17.

 

This year's college pitching group looks solid, especially after righthander Mark Appel (the eighth-overall pick in the 2012 draft) decided to return for his senior year at Stanford and the emergence of Indiana State lefthander Sean Manaea in the Cape Cod League this summer.

 

The college hitters, on the other hand, are generally underwhelming collection. Several top players either have questions about where they fit defensively, how much power they really have or how well their tools translate when it counts.

 

The high school crop looks solid—especially when it comes to lefthanders and catchers—though it's not as strong, overall, as last year's group. This year's class doesn't look to have talents comparable to Carlos Correa, Byron Buxton or Lucas Giolito.

 

"I think we're starting to feel the hit of clubs signing so many high school kids the past few years," one scout said. "Maybe we're going to have one more down year and then maybe 2014 and 2015 will be pretty good."

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is it safe to say that theo is hoping to get a college pitcher out of this draft?
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is it safe to say that theo is hoping to get a college pitcher out of this draft?

It's safe to say that he's hoping to get a really good player.

 

If an Austin Meadows or Kris Bryant blows up this spring and we've got a chance at him, I doubt we'd hesitate to pull the trigger.

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I would place a very high probability of the Cubs drafting at least one college pitcher next year.

 

 

More seriously, I don't think we can know at this point. With so much up in the air, I'm left to think that this year's strategy(elite bat, then pitching for like 7 straight rounds) wouldn't be a bad guess.

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I wouldn't guess on any particular strategy other than BPA at this point.

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