Minor League Discussion & Boxes 5-15-12

[Little Slide Rooter]

Rizzo HR 13

 

And a 3B. We really need to find a way to get him and LaHair in the lineup together.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

That's great to see a solid outing from Concepcion.

 

Lake or Vitters...one of these two f'ers need to award my optimism this year...It's my right as an American, dammit.

 

If Lake hasn't rewarded your optimism so far in his short time back, you're a very hard man to please.

 

Oh he definitely is, but I want one or both to finish the year with good numbers.

 

I'd also like Lake to figure out something with his defense, but right now I'm fine with him just working out the bat. If the bat is there the rest an be figured out later.

[Tryptamine]

Jackson,Lake,Castro,Rizzo,LaHair. I don't hate the thought of those 5 in the same line up going forward.

[TruffleShuffle]

Jackson,Lake,Castro,Rizzo,LaHair. I don't hate the thought of those 5 in the same line up going forward.

 

lake's k/bb ratio was appalling last year, so hopefully these early strides he's made in that area are real. i still worry about guys like that being exposed by advanced pitchers.

[TruffleShuffle]

daytona rained out! \:D/

[Guest]

http://www.thecubreporter.com/2012/05/15/cubs-win-one-tie-other-indian-school-park

 

Rock Shoulders HR and Shawon Dunston Jr doubled twice.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Jackson 0/4 with 2 Ks. Slash line now at .226/.331/.401, with 48 Ks in 137 ABs. That's...not tremendous.

[sneakypower]

i'm not worried about it too much, he's always been really streaky

 

he'll have a two week stretch lifting his numbers to where you'd expect them to be

[rawaction]

Jackson 0/4 with 2 Ks. Slash line now at .226/.331/.401, with 48 Ks in 137 ABs. That's...not tremendous.

 

It's not terrible though. The contact rate is pretty bad, but the .105 ISOD and .175 ISOP are respectable. If he was hitting .260, that's an .800 OPS.

[Guest]

i'm not worried about it too much, he's always been really streaky

 

he'll have a two week stretch lifting his numbers to where you'd expect them to be

 

Exactly.

[CubColtPacer]

Jackson 0/4 with 2 Ks. Slash line now at .226/.331/.401, with 48 Ks in 137 ABs. That's...not tremendous.

 

It's not terrible though. The contact rate is pretty bad, but the .105 ISOD and .175 ISOP are respectable. If he was hitting .260, that's an .800 OPS.

 

The problem is with that many strikeouts, hitting .260 becomes almost impossible. He has a .325 BABIP as it is. To have a .260 average, his BABIP would have to be .384.

 

I'm starting to get very concerned about him at this point. He's had 375 AAA plate appearances, and has struck out almost 30 percent of the time. That would already be the 5th highest in MLB without even accounting for the increase in pitcher quality he'll face when he hits the majors. He has enough secondary skills and plays a premium enough position to carry a high strikeout rate, but close to 30 percent in the majors would be majorly pushing it. Close to 30 percent in AAA is really bad.

[rawaction]

Jackson 0/4 with 2 Ks. Slash line now at .226/.331/.401, with 48 Ks in 137 ABs. That's...not tremendous.

 

It's not terrible though. The contact rate is pretty bad, but the .105 ISOD and .175 ISOP are respectable. If he was hitting .260, that's an .800 OPS.

 

The problem is with that many strikeouts, hitting .260 becomes almost impossible. He has a .325 BABIP as it is. To have a .260 average, his BABIP would have to be .384.

 

I'm starting to get very concerned about him at this point. He's had 375 AAA plate appearances, and has struck out almost 30 percent of the time. That would already be the 5th highest in MLB without even accounting for the increase in pitcher quality he'll face when he hits the majors. He has enough secondary skills and plays a premium enough position to carry a high strikeout rate, but close to 30 percent in the majors would be majorly pushing it. Close to 30 percent in AAA is really bad.

 

I understand that, but he can still be a productive player in the MLB even with that high of a K rate. Guys like BJ Upton (granted with more speed and better defense) and Curtis Granderson (more power than Jackson) have been successful with a 30-ish percent K rate. Obviously, it's not ideal but possible.

[Guest]

You're also looking at the K rate at it's near peak since he's been in a slump(1 for 11, 6 K's since missing time with that back stiffness). He was around 25% when he was hitting really well less than a month ago.

[CubColtPacer]

Jackson 0/4 with 2 Ks. Slash line now at .226/.331/.401, with 48 Ks in 137 ABs. That's...not tremendous.

 

It's not terrible though. The contact rate is pretty bad, but the .105 ISOD and .175 ISOP are respectable. If he was hitting .260, that's an .800 OPS.

 

The problem is with that many strikeouts, hitting .260 becomes almost impossible. He has a .325 BABIP as it is. To have a .260 average, his BABIP would have to be .384.

 

I'm starting to get very concerned about him at this point. He's had 375 AAA plate appearances, and has struck out almost 30 percent of the time. That would already be the 5th highest in MLB without even accounting for the increase in pitcher quality he'll face when he hits the majors. He has enough secondary skills and plays a premium enough position to carry a high strikeout rate, but close to 30 percent in the majors would be majorly pushing it. Close to 30 percent in AAA is really bad.

 

I understand that, but he can still be a productive player in the MLB even with that high of a K rate. Guys like BJ Upton (granted with more speed and better defense) and Curtis Granderson (more power than Jackson) have been successful with a 30-ish percent K rate. Obviously, it's not ideal but possible.

 

Upton and Granderson's K rate per plate appearance are not nearly that high. Upton is a career 24.8% with a high of 28.1%, and Granderson is a career 22.2% with a high of 25.6. Jackson was 29.8% in AAA last year and 30% even so far this year. That's a big difference If he can get between 20 and 25 like that, be would be just fine. But he has a long way to go to project those sorts of strikeout numbers in the majors.

[CubColtPacer]

You're also looking at the K rate at it's near peak since he's been in a slump(1 for 11, 6 K's since missing time with that back stiffness). He was around 25% when he was hitting really well less than a month ago.

 

Agreed, but 25% would still be worrisome because of how far it may go up when he hits the major leagues, and he's got to be really good at avoiding strikeouts to get back there anytime soon. I'm not sure if he'll stay at 30, but it's hard to imagine him getting much past 25 this season if he even gets there.

[rawaction]

Jackson 0/4 with 2 Ks. Slash line now at .226/.331/.401, with 48 Ks in 137 ABs. That's...not tremendous.

 

It's not terrible though. The contact rate is pretty bad, but the .105 ISOD and .175 ISOP are respectable. If he was hitting .260, that's an .800 OPS.

 

The problem is with that many strikeouts, hitting .260 becomes almost impossible. He has a .325 BABIP as it is. To have a .260 average, his BABIP would have to be .384.

 

I'm starting to get very concerned about him at this point. He's had 375 AAA plate appearances, and has struck out almost 30 percent of the time. That would already be the 5th highest in MLB without even accounting for the increase in pitcher quality he'll face when he hits the majors. He has enough secondary skills and plays a premium enough position to carry a high strikeout rate, but close to 30 percent in the majors would be majorly pushing it. Close to 30 percent in AAA is really bad.

 

I understand that, but he can still be a productive player in the MLB even with that high of a K rate. Guys like BJ Upton (granted with more speed and better defense) and Curtis Granderson (more power than Jackson) have been successful with a 30-ish percent K rate. Obviously, it's not ideal but possible.

 

Upton and Granderson's K rate per plate appearance are not nearly that high. Upton is a career 24.8% with a high of 28.1%, and Granderson is a career 22.2% with a high of 25.6. Jackson was 29.8% in AAA last year and 30% even so far this year. That's a big difference If he can get between 20 and 25 like that, be would be just fine. But he has a long way to go to project those sorts of strikeout numbers in the majors.

 

Are you doing by PA or AB?

[CubColtPacer]

 

I understand that, but he can still be a productive player in the MLB even with that high of a K rate. Guys like BJ Upton (granted with more speed and better defense) and Curtis Granderson (more power than Jackson) have been successful with a 30-ish percent K rate. Obviously, it's not ideal but possible.

 

Upton and Granderson's K rate per plate appearance are not nearly that high. Upton is a career 24.8% with a high of 28.1%, and Granderson is a career 22.2% with a high of 25.6. Jackson was 29.8% in AAA last year and 30% even so far this year. That's a big difference If he can get between 20 and 25 like that, be would be just fine. But he has a long way to go to project those sorts of strikeout numbers in the majors.

 

Are you doing by PA or AB?

 

By PA. By AB would of course make everybody's numbers higher (for example, Jackson has struck out in close to 35 percent of his AB's, while only close to 30% of his PA).

[rawaction]

 

I understand that, but he can still be a productive player in the MLB even with that high of a K rate. Guys like BJ Upton (granted with more speed and better defense) and Curtis Granderson (more power than Jackson) have been successful with a 30-ish percent K rate. Obviously, it's not ideal but possible.

 

Upton and Granderson's K rate per plate appearance are not nearly that high. Upton is a career 24.8% with a high of 28.1%, and Granderson is a career 22.2% with a high of 25.6. Jackson was 29.8% in AAA last year and 30% even so far this year. That's a big difference If he can get between 20 and 25 like that, be would be just fine. But he has a long way to go to project those sorts of strikeout numbers in the majors.

 

Are you doing by PA or AB?

 

By PA. By AB would of course make everybody's numbers higher (for example, Jackson has struck out in close to 35 percent of his AB's, while only close to 30% of his PA).

 

Yeah, I realized I was using the wrong number on ESPN.