Random Baseball Musings

[bcl412]

Also, this happened...

 

Rob Parker ‏@RobParkerESPN

Where's my pocket protector, glasses, laptop and another date-less night? I wanna fit in. Lol

 

29m Rob Parker ‏@RobParkerESPN

I've watched that Billy Beane movie 20 times and the A's never won the World Series. Stats so lame, they couldn't add a Hollywood-ending.

 

1h Rob Parker ‏@RobParkerESPN

To all the stat-geeks that follow @keithlaw: please put ur calculators down and watch the damn game. That's why the A's haven't won jack.

 

 

and this

 

Brandon McCarthy ‏@BMcCarthy32

Those are the words of an 'expert debater'. One who's employed by the biggest sports media company in the country. Embarrassing

 

One of those guys had massive brain trauma recently...

[bcl412]

There isn't a single baseball stat that has taken me more than a couple of minutes of reading about it to understand. So, it can be read about during the commercials of watching a game.

[Banedon]

I'm calling BS on Parker having watched Moneyball 20 times.

[Guest]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi

Mike Trout wins the efficient-player-picking argument illustrated by WAR. But that algorithm does not fall in lockstep with our ballot.

 

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi

Re Sept baseball ... Wins count same. Pressure is very different. I value the ability to perform under that pressure.

 

 

ugh. It really seems like Trout isn't going to win it. Such a joke.

[Cubswin11]

The BBWAA is literally a collection of some of the most simple-minded, ignorant and moronic people in America. This I am sure of.

[abuck1220]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi

Mike Trout wins the efficient-player-picking argument illustrated by WAR. But that algorithm does not fall in lockstep with our ballot.

 

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi

Re Sept baseball ... Wins count same. Pressure is very different. I value the ability to perform under that pressure.

 

 

ugh. It really seems like Trout isn't going to win it. Such a joke.

 

i don't really think you can say miguel cabrera winning the mvp is a joke. he's pretty [expletive] awesome.

[Cubswin11]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi

Mike Trout wins the efficient-player-picking argument illustrated by WAR. But that algorithm does not fall in lockstep with our ballot.

 

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi

Re Sept baseball ... Wins count same. Pressure is very different. I value the ability to perform under that pressure.

 

 

ugh. It really seems like Trout isn't going to win it. Such a joke.

 

i don't really think you can say miguel cabrera winning the mvp is a joke. he's pretty [expletive] awesome.

It's not a huge joke if he wins, Trout is having a better year but Cabrera is having a good-great year also. But the reasoning for voting for him that these [expletive] idiot writers are using is the huge [expletive] joke.

Edited September 27, 2012 by Cubswin11

[Guest]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi

Mike Trout wins the efficient-player-picking argument illustrated by WAR. But that algorithm does not fall in lockstep with our ballot.

 

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi

Re Sept baseball ... Wins count same. Pressure is very different. I value the ability to perform under that pressure.

 

 

ugh. It really seems like Trout isn't going to win it. Such a joke.

 

i don't really think you can say miguel cabrera winning the mvp is a joke. he's pretty [expletive] awesome.

 

You can when Trout is much more awesome.

 

Even if you want to say nuts to defensive metrics and throw the positional value and everything out the window, Trout has been a more productive hitter (if only slightly).

 

And that stuff you threw out matters a hell of a lot, especially when there is as much of a disparity as there is between the two.

[abuck1220]

yeah, if a triple crown winner with an OPS of 1.000 wins the mvp, it will be the worst travesty in sports history.

[Guest]

yeah, if a triple crown winner with an OPS of 1.000 wins the mvp, it will be the worst travesty in sports history.

 

Yea, I said it would be the worst travesty in sports history. Oh, wait, no, I said it would be a joke.

 

If another player in his league has been 42% more valuable than him and he wins the most valuable player award, then it is absolutely a joke.

 

You have no leg to stand on.

[Guest]

TRIPLE CROWN! WOO!!! RBI's are awesome!!

[abuck1220]

this is why people don't like stat nerds.

 

trout should win the mvp. but if a guy that wins the triple crown wins it, it will not be a travesty, tragedy or a joke. it's not like colby rasmus or something would be winning it.

 

also, you sound ridiculous when you say "TROUT HAS BEEN EXACTLY 42% BETTER THAN MIGUEL CABRERA." that's not helping with the "sabermetrics people just punch numbers into a computer" argument.

[abuck1220]

TRIPLE CROWN! WOO!!! RBI's are awesome!!

 

oh give me a break. run any triple crown winner's numbers through your WAR calculator and let me know if any of them actually didn't have good seasons.

[Guest]

this is why people don't like stat nerds.

 

trout should win the mvp. but if a guy that wins the triple crown wins it, it will not be a travesty, tragedy or a joke. it's not like colby rasmus or something would be winning it.

 

also, you sound ridiculous when you say "TROUT HAS BEEN EXACTLY 42% BETTER THAN MIGUEL CABRERA." that's not helping with the "sabermetrics people just punch numbers into a computer" argument.

 

The point is that he has been significantly more valuable. Very significantly.

 

 

I'm glad you're the authority on what constitutes a travesty, tragedy, or a joke, though. Because, in my book, which I guess is wrong, the clearly wrong guy getting the biggest individual award in baseball is pretty [expletive] shitty.

 

This is why people don't like [expletive] lawyers. Well, assholes in general.

[abuck1220]

amazing that you're so insufferable that i'm actually taking an anti-statistics/pro-meathead stance.

[Guest]

TRIPLE CROWN! WOO!!! RBI's are awesome!!

 

oh give me a break. run any triple crown winner's numbers through your WAR calculator and let me know if any of them actually didn't have good seasons.

 

 

Oh, right. Good seasons = most valuable player in the league.

 

You are using a fun statistical anomaly that happens to happen once in a great while to some guys under a ridiculously right set of circumstances as part of an MVP case.

[Cubswin11]

this is why people don't like stat nerds.

 

trout should win the mvp. but if a guy that wins the triple crown wins it, it will not be a travesty, tragedy or a joke. it's not like colby rasmus or something would be winning it.

 

also, you sound ridiculous when you say "TROUT HAS BEEN EXACTLY 42% BETTER THAN MIGUEL CABRERA." that's not helping with the "sabermetrics people just punch numbers into a computer" argument.

You're right using something more like "MIGUEL CABRERA HAS 42% MORE RBI'S THAN TROUT." Now that's something they would get and where numbers make sense to them.

 

 

BTW, Cabrera has 133 RBI Trout has 77 so that's roughly 42% more.

Edited September 27, 2012 by Cubswin11

[Guest]

amazing that you're so insufferable

 

This is rich.

[abuck1220]

TRIPLE CROWN! WOO!!! RBI's are awesome!!

 

oh give me a break. run any triple crown winner's numbers through your WAR calculator and let me know if any of them actually didn't have good seasons.

 

 

Oh, right. Good seasons = most valuable player in the league.

 

You are using a fun statistical anomaly that happens to happen once in a great while to some guys under a ridiculously right set of circumstances as part of an MVP case.

 

no, i'm using the fact that miguel cabrera is [expletive] awesome at baseball as part of a "not the end of the world if he wins the MVP over mike trout" case.

[abuck1220]

TRIPLE CROWN! WOO!!! RBI's are awesome!!

 

oh give me a break. run any triple crown winner's numbers through your WAR calculator and let me know if any of them actually didn't have good seasons.

 

 

Oh, right. Good seasons = most valuable player in the league.

 

 

fine. run any triple crown winner's numbers through your WAR calculator and let me know if any of them actually didn't have super awesome great seasons.

[jersey cubs fan]

this is why people don't like stat nerds.

 

No it's not.

[bukie]

RBI% is a much more useful stat for an individual, and Cabrera is actually second in the league there (behind Hamilton).

 

He does lead the league (or a very close second) in most reliable rate offensive categories.

 

The only thing that makes the WAR between Trout and Cabrera so lopsided are the numbers for defense and base running. If you consider defensive statistics and base running statistics as valuable as fWAR does, then Trout is clearly having a better overall season.

 

But Cabrera has been the better offensive player this year, and it'd hardly be a joke if he won. A joke would be if, say, Albert Pujols won the MVP.

[Guest]

But Cabrera has been the better offensive player this year

 

 

Trout has a higher wOBA and higher wRC+.

 

Cabrera is .6 higher in batting runs above replacement, but he has also played 154 games to Trout's 132.

[abuck1220]

yes, trout should be the mvp. agreed.

[bukie]

But Cabrera has been the better offensive player this year

 

 

Trout has a higher wOBA and higher wRC+.

 

Cabrera is .6 higher in batting runs above replacement, but he has also played 154 games to Trout's 132.

Trout is .002 higher in wOBA and 6 wRC+ (and leads in B-VORP). That is the "close second" part of what I said. Cabrera leads OPS, weighted OPS, and OPS+, and leads overall batting value (in the AL), which is what I was basing "better offensive player" on, since that's the offensive portion of FanGraphs' WAR calculation.