Dempster Traded to Texas for 3B Villanueva & RHP Hendricks

[KingCubsFan]

I know the "only the Cubs" mentality is overdone by the media, but has this type of scenario every really happened before? Has one of the top trade targets ever stated for months that he was open to being traded and helping the team, and then rejected a deal for no discernible reason?

[SouthSideRyan]

If the Dodgers start playing hardball, then I would actually wouldn't mind the Cubs just walking away. Dempster has rights, well you know the Cubs have rights as well. If he doesn't want to help us, then the Cubs don't have to help him by sending him to his #1 destination.

 

This is his #1 destination. We should probably kill him just to be sure.

 

You hold on to Dempster because a draft pick or Dempster at 12.5M is a better deal we'd get in return for him.

Edited July 25, 2012 by SouthSideRyan

[SouthSideRyan]

I know the "only the Cubs" mentality is overdone by the media, but has this type of scenario every really happened before? Has one of the top trade targets ever stated for months that he was open to being traded and helping the team, and then rejected a deal for no discernible reason?

 

IT HAPPENED 3 [expletive] WEEKS AGO

[Smack]

Yep, Fat Carlos Lee just did it.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I know the "only the Cubs" mentality is overdone by the media, but has this type of scenario every really happened before? Has one of the top trade targets ever stated for months that he was open to being traded and helping the team, and then rejected a deal for no discernible reason?

 

IT HAPPENED 3 [expletive] WEEKS AGO

for no discernible reason

[Elrhino]

Frank Wren apparently on Atlanta sports radio right now and directly stated that there was a deal in place, that it expired yesterday, and the Braves have moved on.

 

Oh, they've moved on have they. Did he make mention of what they've moved on to?

 

If they're willing to part with Delgado, they'll have no shortage of options.

 

 

A hell of a lot more options than the Cubs have for moving Dempster.

[Guest]

What did Carlos Lee say about being traded prior to being traded (and blocking the trade)?

[Tyrant]

If the Dodgers start playing hardball, then I would actually wouldn't mind the Cubs just walking away. Dempster has rights, well you know the Cubs have rights as well. If he doesn't want to help us, then the Cubs don't have to help him by sending him to his #1 destination.

 

This is his #1 destination. We should probably kill him just to be sure.

 

You hold on to Dempster because a draft pick or Dempster at 12.5M is a better deal we'd get in return for him.

 

Dempster at 12.5M next year has to be the worst case scenario. The team probably isn't going to be very good and he won't have as much value in a trade next summer. It'd just be a big, fat waste of an asset.

[KingCubsFan]

I know the "only the Cubs" mentality is overdone by the media, but has this type of scenario every really happened before? Has one of the top trade targets ever stated for months that he was open to being traded and helping the team, and then rejected a deal for no discernible reason?

 

IT HAPPENED 3 [expletive] WEEKS AGO

Carlos Lee was a big trade target? I'm talking about a guy that would bring real assets to an organization.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

oh good, semantics

[Guest]

I know the "only the Cubs" mentality is overdone by the media, but has this type of scenario every really happened before? Has one of the top trade targets ever stated for months that he was open to being traded and helping the team, and then rejected a deal for no discernible reason?

 

IT HAPPENED 3 [expletive] WEEKS AGO

Carlos Lee was a big trade target? I'm talking about a guy that would bring real assets to an organization.

 

He was going to bring Gould, who I'd almost be relieved to end up with at this point.

[Elrhino]

Anyone who thinks we're going to get anything significant from the Dodgers is dreaming. Edited July 25, 2012 by Elrhino

[Prizefight]

Anyone who thinks we're going to get anything significant from the Dodgers is dreaming.

 

Like I said, 25 year old A baller and a signed Magic Johnson jersey. Final offer.

[Theo]

Anyone who thinks we're going to get anything significant from the Dodgers is dreaming.

Then Thoyer needs to just walk away.

[KingCubsFan]

oh good, semantics

It's not semantics. I said a big trade target who openly talked about accepting a trade. The only similarity with Carlos Lee is that he's big in size.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Anyone who thinks we're going to get anything significant from the Dodgers is dreaming.

Then Thoyer needs to just walk away.

Truffle, do you see the irony here?

[nolanwood]

Thanks a lot, Dumpster. :banghead:

[Guest]

Anyone who thinks we're going to get anything significant from the Dodgers is dreaming.

Then Thoyer needs to just walk away.

Truffle, do you see the irony here?

 

it's just a coincidence

[Stu]

This reminds me of the Fred McGriff drama from about 10 years ago. Remember that?

 

another thought on this, is Delgado really all that good, or could he turn out to be another Farnsworth, i.e. million-dollar arm, 10-cent head?

[MWV]

Anyone who thinks we're going to get anything significant from the Dodgers is dreaming.

 

If there is an upside to Eovaldi going in the Hanley deal, would it not be that the Dodger's presently need another starter (when is Lilly due back)? That offers the Cubs a little leverage, although not nearly as much as they once had.

[Theo]

This reminds me of the Fred McGriff drama from about 10 years ago. Remember that?

 

another thought on this, is Delgado really all that good, or could he turn out to be another Farnsworth, i.e. million-dollar arm, 10-cent head?

 

1) Delgado is nothing like Farnsworht, what an out of the blue comparison.

 

2) Regardless of what Delgado eventually becomes, you had the chance to add a top 50 caliber prospect, building the clout of your farm system.

[Elrhino]

Anyone who thinks we're going to get anything significant from the Dodgers is dreaming.

 

If there is an upside to Eovaldi going in the Hanley deal, would it not be that the Dodger's presently need another starter (when is Lilly due back)? That offers the Cubs a little leverage, although not nearly as much as they once had.

 

The Dodgers are negotiating against themselves. The only offer they have to make is one more attractive to the Cubs than keeping a 36 year old pain in the ass and offering him arby after a career year.

 

They've already said they don't view him as anything more than a cheap rental before the last 48 hours. Every MLB front office exec now knows that Theo can't even seriously negotiate in good faith regarding Dempster. Why would they want to pick up the phone and get involved in this situation only just to have Dempster pull the rug out on a deal at the last moment? It's just a waste of time that diverts their attention away from acquiring other targets. We'll have to eat a Dodger [expletive] sandwich for Dempster, the only remaining question is mustard or mayo.

Edited July 25, 2012 by Elrhino

[erik316wttn]

Thanks a lot, Demp.

 

No really. Thanks.

[Theo]

Anyone who thinks we're going to get anything significant from the Dodgers is dreaming.

 

If there is an upside to Eovaldi going in the Hanley deal, would it not be that the Dodger's presently need another starter (when is Lilly due back)? That offers the Cubs a little leverage, although not nearly as much as they once had.

 

The Dodgers are negotiating against themselves. The only offer they have to make is one more attractive to the Cubs than keeping a 36 year old pain in the ass and offering him arby after a career year.

 

They've already said they don't view him as anything more than a cheap rental before the last 48 hours. Every MLB front office exec now knows that Theo can't even seriously negotiate in good faith regarding Dempster. Why would they want to pick up the phone and get involved in this situation only just to have Dempster pull the rug out on a deal at the last moment? We'll have to eat a Dodger [expletive] sandwich for Dempster, the only remaining question is mustard or mayo.

 

There's no reason to eat a Dodger [expletive] sandwich, Jim Hendry isn't here anymore.

[jersey cubs fan]

If the Dodgers start playing hardball, then I would actually wouldn't mind the Cubs just walking away. Dempster has rights, well you know the Cubs have rights as well. If he doesn't want to help us, then the Cubs don't have to help him by sending him to his #1 destination.

 

This is his #1 destination. We should probably kill him just to be sure.

 

You hold on to Dempster because a draft pick or Dempster at 12.5M is a better deal we'd get in return for him.

 

Dempster at 12.5M next year has to be the worst case scenario. The team probably isn't going to be very good and he won't have as much value in a trade next summer. It'd just be a big, fat waste of an asset.

 

Why would he not have as much trade value? If his trade value this year isn't enough to get you anything worthwhile, it shouldn't be any worse then that next year. Plus, it shouldn't be too hard to make this team at least a potential candidate for the 2nd wild card next year, if they keep some solid pitchers like Dempster.