Dempster Traded to Texas for 3B Villanueva & RHP Hendricks

[Little Slide Rooter]

From MLBTR:

 

Detroit could use pitching help or could consider trading for a second baseman or left fielder.

 

The Cubs could solve any or all of their problems.

Soriano and Barney don't solve anyone's problems.

 

In Detroit, Soriano would be what, a 7 hitter? msybr 8. Assuming he could get back to at least his 2011 form, I don't think that anyone would mind that. Also, their 2 2B each have <.200 BA and well <.500 OPS, so Barney or even Baker would be an upgrade there. Not that I expect it, but assumingthat we did send them a package of Dempster and Soriano (we'd eat most-all of the contract), Barney or Baker would probably be attractive to them as a throw in.

[TruffleShuffle]

if we are trading dempster we really shouldn't be eating most or all of the contract unless we're getting a good prospect back.

[jersey cubs fan]

if we are trading dempster we really shouldn't be eating most or all of the contract unless we're getting a good prospect back.

 

they shouldn't trade him at all if they aren't getting a really good prospect or three

[Little Slide Rooter]

if we are trading dempster we really shouldn't be eating most or all of the contract unless we're getting a good prospect back.

 

they shouldn't trade him at all if they aren't getting a really good prospect or three

 

Exactly. We have no reason to salary dump, so it should be all about the prospects.

 

If TF was referring to my post, I meant eat all of Soriano's contract as well.

[davell]

Kaplan is 100% sure Dempster is dealt by July 31st. Not sure if he understands the 10/5 rights or not. There's an article someone can post, I would but I'm on my cell.

[SouthSideRyan]

Kaplan is 100% sure Dempster is dealt by July 31st. Not sure if he understands the 10/5 rights or not. There's an article someone can post, I would but I'm on my cell.

 

I'm not sure Kaplan understands breathing.

 

ETA: Strike that, I wish he didn't understand breathing.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Dempster to the Yankees for Dellin Betances: Realistic or keep dreaming? Think maybe they can trick the Yankees into giving up Angelo Gumbs (their not quite as badass, but more 2B-y version of Javier Baez)?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Dempster to the Yankees for Dellin Betances: Realistic or keep dreaming? Think maybe they can trick the Yankees into giving up Angelo Gumbs (their not quite as badass, but more 2B-y version of Javier Baez)?

 

As awful as Betances has been this year, they'd have to be very desperate for pitching to trade him for a rental, but if they did I'd take it and run.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Dempster to the Yankees for Dellin Betances: Realistic or keep dreaming? Think maybe they can trick the Yankees into giving up Angelo Gumbs (their not quite as badass, but more 2B-y version of Javier Baez)?

 

As awful as Betances has been this year, they'd have to be very desperate for pitching to trade him for a rental, but if they did I'd take it and run.

 

I actually don't think the Yankees feel too attached to him. Well, OK thats a excessive but i just don't think they view him as a long term starter with them without more work than the Yankees might feel they should put in. They also have consistently shown they pay well in prospects to get what they need.

 

I'm bored. I should just call it a night.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Dempster to the Yankees for Dellin Betances: Realistic or keep dreaming? Think maybe they can trick the Yankees into giving up Angelo Gumbs (their not quite as badass, but more 2B-y version of Javier Baez)?

 

As awful as Betances has been this year, they'd have to be very desperate for pitching to trade him for a rental, but if they did I'd take it and run.

 

I actually don't think the Yankees feel too attached to him. Well, OK thats a excessive but i just don't think they view him as a long term starter with them without more work than the Yankees might feel they should put in. They also have consistently shown they pay well in prospects to get what they need.

 

I'm bored. I should just call it a night.

 

But how often is anyone going to give up one of their top 5 prospects for a 3-4 month rental unless we're talking a true superstar? As hot as Dempster's start to the season was, even then he wasn't fooling anyone into thinking he was more than a middle of the rotation guy, which is still valuable. I think that we could land a guy from the back of someone's top 10 and 1-2 additional low level guys. Maybe boost the return a touch by throwing in another piece like Baker, Johnson, or Camp who wouldn't bring anything back on their own but could be a decent throw in for a contender.

[davell]

Dave Cameron on Fangraphs was asked in his chat today who says no to a LaHair/Dempster for Belt/Panil deal and he said the Cubs can do better than that. Panil has struggled somewhat in A+ ball, but I still really like Belt going forward, sssuming he can be passable in LF. At any rate, it's encouraging the Cubs could possibly do better than that.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

But how often is anyone going to give up one of their top 5 prospects for a 3-4 month rental unless we're talking a true superstar? As hot as Dempster's start to the season was, even then he wasn't fooling anyone into thinking he was more than a middle of the rotation guy, which is still valuable. I think that we could land a guy from the back of someone's top 10 and 1-2 additional low level guys. Maybe boost the return a touch by throwing in another piece like Baker, Johnson, or Camp who wouldn't bring anything back on their own but could be a decent throw in for a contender.

 

I think we should worry/think about less where that prospect ranks and more on how good he actually is. The Yankees have taken advantage of this for years because they know people pay attention to rankings and not context more often than not (my theory anyway). They always seem to pay well in prospects, the league is littered with ex-Yankee prospects, but few if any are the stars they were expected to be as Yankees (Mike Lowell and then...Jake Westbrook?).

 

So sure, he's one of the 5 best prospects. He's also been in their system for 6 years, hasn't made his mechanics any more consistent, and that's helped maintain poor command and control of otherwise nasty stuff. Being the Yankees, they can keep him around forever and when he's useful promote the hell out of the fact he's from NYC or they can trade him to get what they need from a team that wants an upside arm who needs some tinkering. They can afford to do either one...they'll pick the option that helps them out the most when they want the help.

 

One day, the Cubs will operate on that level. Bringing up where a prospect ranks is a nice way of not talking about his flaws IMO. Really I'd like to take someone they really like like Angelo Gumbs, who could be their next Cano in a couple years.

[davell]

I feel really, really bad for Demp. Hope like hell he gets traded. As well as he's pitching, he can really help a team. He's gotta be tired of this [expletive], at least. I can't imagine him vetoing a trade right about now.

[Tryptamine]

The Red Sox desperately need someone in their rotation. Is there anyway the Cubs could pry away Lavarnway? If that's unrealistic then what about Jackie Bradley?

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

The Red Sox desperately need someone in their rotation. Is there anyway the Cubs could pry away Lavarnway? If that's unrealistic then what about Jackie Bradley?

 

Jackie Bradley Jr would be awesome, and hopefully possible. I don't think it'd be crazy to ask for him. I think he's got similar upside to Jackson without the absolutely ridiculous K totals.

[chuckywang]

Kaplan is 100% sure Dempster is dealt by July 31st. Not sure if he understands the 10/5 rights or not. There's an article someone can post, I would but I'm on my cell.

 

Bingo. He might as well have a no-trade clause in his contract.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Kaplan is 100% sure Dempster is dealt by July 31st. Not sure if he understands the 10/5 rights or not. There's an article someone can post, I would but I'm on my cell.

 

Bingo. He might as well have a no-trade clause in his contract.

 

A no trade clause he's already said he would waive if it helps...at least I read that here.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Kaplan is 100% sure Dempster is dealt by July 31st. Not sure if he understands the 10/5 rights or not. There's an article someone can post, I would but I'm on my cell.

 

Bingo. He might as well have a no-trade clause in his contract.

 

A no trade clause he's already said he would waive if it helps...at least I read that here.

 

He recently stated that he knew that he was going to be shopped and they'd cross that bridge when they get to it. You'd think he'd want off the Titanic. I don't get why guys on expiring contracts wouldn't want off a bad team. I get the family thing, and as a rent a player, there's a good chance he'd be on the move again next season, but it's just 3-4 months, and you're only in the home town half the time anyway.

[davell]

In his case, because of his daughter. He may not want to uproot his family more than once. It could come down to negotiating an extension possibly before he's traded.

[KingCubsFan]

The Red Sox desperately need someone in their rotation. Is there anyway the Cubs could pry away Lavarnway? If that's unrealistic then what about Jackie Bradley?

Have you seen Bradley's stats this year? I doubt they'd put him in a Garza package.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Looking over some of the potential deadline sellers and the rent-a-player starting pitchers they can offer, there's Hamels, Greinke, Marcum, McCarthy, and Wandy. With this in mind, and knowing what we'll be doing could it be in our best interest to try to trade Dempster sooner than later?

[KaiserCesar]

Looking over some of the potential deadline sellers and the rent-a-player starting pitchers they can offer, there's Hamels, Greinke, Marcum, McCarthy, and Wandy. With this in mind, and knowing what we'll be doing could it be in our best interest to try to trade Dempster sooner than later?

 

Or hold onto him and make a qualifying offer at season's end? With this number of trade targets, there's little risk of all potential trading partners sneaking back into contention or deciding to hold onto their arms. With that in mind, there's really no reason for GM to pay a premium for Dempster considering its a near certainty at least a few of those guys will be available.

[Little Slide Rooter]

@mlbtrcubs: Cubs Open To New Contract For Ryan Dempster http://t.co/lAfmodqm #cubs

 

I'm perfectly OK with it assuming it's the 3rd or 4th biggest aquisition of the offseason. If there won't be any big names joining him, 2 more years of Dempster with what we have plus some bargain bin pick ups would be less useful than the pick(s) we'd get if we kept him, offered arb and he walked. Either way, even if he wins a Cy Young this season, that won't change the fact that he'll be 36 this time next season and we have a front office borrowing it's organizational philosophy from Logan's Run so it should be nice and team friendly.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'd be okay with it, too, but I don't for a minute believe it. Any correlation between the truth and what the Cubs' front office leaks this close to the trading deadline is a coincidence.

[Guest]

I'd be okay with it, too, but I don't for a minute believe it. Any correlation between the truth and what the Cubs' front office leaks this close to the trading deadline is a coincidence.

 

Yea. I think it was pretty much a non-answer.