4/19 Cubs (Samardzija) @ Marlins (Nolasco) 11:40 CT WGN

[XZero771679666304]

This is one of the worst offenses I've ever seen.

You must not be watching a lot of baseball this year. The Pirates have scored half as many runs as the Cubs this year.

Ha! Check back in a month and see what it looks like.

The Cubs haven't been good offensively, but they're hardly the worst offense in their division, let alone in baseball, without even considering them as one of the worst in history (I mean, look at Seattle last year).

 

Their pitching, however, is one of the worst in baseball so far, and they've given up more runs than anyone except Boston. That is the kind of thing I don't think will keep up, as the starting pitching is better than they've shown in two weeks.

 

Do you mean the 2010 Mariners? That was an horrid, abysmal offense. 2011 was really bad, but they were nearly 50 runs worse in 2010.

[bukie]

This is one of the worst offenses I've ever seen.

You must not be watching a lot of baseball this year. The Pirates have scored half as many runs as the Cubs this year.

Ha! Check back in a month and see what it looks like.

The Cubs haven't been good offensively, but they're hardly the worst offense in their division, let alone in baseball, without even considering them as one of the worst in history (I mean, look at Seattle last year).

 

Their pitching, however, is one of the worst in baseball so far, and they've given up more runs than anyone except Boston. That is the kind of thing I don't think will keep up, as the starting pitching is better than they've shown in two weeks.

 

Do you mean the 2010 Mariners? That was an horrid, abysmal offense. 2011 was really bad, but they were nearly 50 runs worse in 2010.

Wow, that was two years ago already? Yeah, that offense was atrocious. Ichiro was the only regular with an OPS over .700 (and he was just .754). Russell Branyan was the best hitter on that roster.

[jersey cubs fan]

Their pitching, however, is one of the worst in baseball so far, and they've given up more runs than anyone except Boston. That is the kind of thing I don't think will keep up, as the starting pitching is better than they've shown in two weeks.

 

Maybe a little. But Dempster isn't going to have a sub 2.00 ERA all year either. They decided to go with guys who can hold their own but everything behind Garza was a question coming in and the final answers to those questions will be hard to ascertain. They actually have the 10th ranked starters' ERA right now (thanks to half their starters' innings coming from Dempster and Garza), but they are dead last in relief. They don't have any good relievers beyond Russell.

Edited April 19, 2012 by jersey cubs fan

[jersey cubs fan]

Do you mean the 2010 Mariners? That was an horrid, abysmal offense. 2011 was really bad, but they were nearly 50 runs worse in 2010.

Wow, that was two years ago already? Yeah, that offense was atrocious. Ichiro was the only regular with an OPS over .700 (and he was just .754). Russell Branyan was the best hitter on that roster.

 

Defense and baserunning baby, that is all you need to win.

[neely crenshaw]

Vitters?

 

yes, vitters. And yes it is entirely possible that baker is our best 3b (considering offense along with d) stewart is a good defender but he hit .153 last year and seems to be heading that direction, he has never hit .260, hit 20 hrs once and he is a career .235 hitte (in colorado even) his career fielding is lower than bakers(not the best stat to decide) and baker had a .270 career average coming into this year doing the hardest job of hitting by pinch hitting and spot starting with no one else in the lineup that is a proven hitter at all, yes, it is entirely possible that Baker could be the 2nd best...who do you go with ? soriano at .274 career and .244 last year, dejesus .84 career, ,240 last year, byrd .279 career .276 last year? or barney and Lahair..young and unproven-small sample sizes.

bottom line is we have a bad, bad lineup and a career untility guy could very well be our 2nd best hitter.

[jersey cubs fan]

Vitters?

 

yes, vitters. And yes it is entirely possible that baker is our best 3b (considering offense along with d) stewart is a good defender but he hit .153 last year and seems to be heading that direction, he has never hit .260, hit 20 hrs once and he is a career .235 hitte (in colorado even) his career fielding is lower than bakers(not the best stat to decide) and baker had a .270 career average coming into this year doing the hardest job of hitting by pinch hitting and spot starting with no one else in the lineup that is a proven hitter at all, yes, it is entirely possible that Baker could be the 2nd best...who do you go with ? soriano at .274 career and .244 last year, dejesus .84 career, ,240 last year, byrd .279 career .276 last year? or barney and Lahair..young and unproven-small sample sizes.

bottom line is we have a bad, bad lineup and a career untility guy could very well be our 2nd best hitter.

 

holy run-on nonsensical sentence batman.

 

You can start by not using batting average all over the place. And if Baker starts until Vitters is ready that would be really stupid.

 

Baker is a nice RH bat off the bench. That is all he is. Let him start vs LHP and pinch hit. Nothing more.

[Theo]

Every opportunity to win is sacred

[neely crenshaw]

Also this is too small a sample size to judge against others in terms of bad offenses. The problem is that while our guys are basically playing to their career levels offensively...other teams are not. Chances are players and lineups that have traditionally competed at a certain level will come up to level over the long haul while those playing over their heads ill come back.

in terms of runs scored we are ahead of the A's, reds, phillies and pirates. The only offense I put in our catagory is the A's. We have the 6th worst BA , 6th worst OB% and fewest HR's in the majors. The big problem is that we have no one other than Byrd who is hitting dramatically worse than their usual. what happens when Lahair isn't hitting .360 and Castro isn't hitting .370?

 

my hope is that Lahair proves he is for real, barney and castro do what they have done.

Dempster, Garza, Marmol all pitch their arses off so we can trade them for some prospects.

Byrd plays like Byrd 2 years ago and maybe someone will take a vet OF for a prospect.

As I said No one other than Castro is guaranteed to be here in 2 years. This year is and should be like a year long evaluation camp for anyone near ready for the bigs.

[bukie]

Also this is too small a sample size to judge against others in terms of bad offenses. The problem is that while our guys are basically playing to their career levels offensively...other teams are not. Chances are players and lineups that have traditionally competed at a certain level will come up to level over the long haul while those playing over their heads ill come back.

in terms of runs scored we are ahead of the A's, reds, phillies and pirates. The only offense I put in our catagory is the A's. We have the 6th worst BA , 6th worst OB% and fewest HR's in the majors. The big problem is that we have no one other than Byrd who is hitting dramatically worse than their usual. what happens when Lahair isn't hitting .360 and Castro isn't hitting .370?

 

my hope is that Lahair proves he is for real, barney and castro do what they have done.

Dempster, Garza, Marmol all pitch their arses off so we can trade them for some prospects.

Byrd plays like Byrd 2 years ago and maybe someone will take a vet OF for a prospect.

As I said No one other than Castro is guaranteed to be here in 2 years. This year is and should be like a year long evaluation camp for anyone near ready for the bigs.

Yeah, nobody is hitting worse than their career norms except for Byrd, Soriano, Soto, and the entire bench.

 

Really, the only two hitters hitting unsustainably well above their projections are LaHair and Clevenger.

[neely crenshaw]

Baker is a nice RH bat off the bench. That is all he is. Let him start vs LHP and pinch hit. Nothing more.

why because Stewart is the answer?

Bottom line Stewart is a career .235 hitter coming from one of the best offensive parks in baseball. He hit .153 last year. He is hovering at the Mendoza line this year. He is 27 on his 6th season in the bigs...there ain't a whole lot of upside or room to grow for him- He is what he is. We aren't going to trade or sign anyone else for 3rd this season. Give him til the end of May if you want. Then until Vitters shows he's ready why not play Baker? Seriously, yes I know he is career utility guy, he is best suited in the role he is playing now BUT this is certainly not a normal major league offense. Not that any change will make this team any good but he simply can not be worse than what it looks like stewart will be or is. The only 3b that is worse is morel on the other side of town. Why would you continue to play stewart if his play continues as is?

[bukie]

There's less to learn from playing Baker regularly than there is playing Stewart regularly.

 

And please work on sentence and paragraph structure.

[Guest]

Also this is too small a sample size to judge against others in terms of bad offenses. The problem is that while our guys are basically playing to their career levels offensively...other teams are not. Chances are players and lineups that have traditionally competed at a certain level will come up to level over the long haul while those playing over their heads ill come back.

in terms of runs scored we are ahead of the A's, reds, phillies and pirates. The only offense I put in our catagory is the A's. We have the 6th worst BA , 6th worst OB% and fewest HR's in the majors. The big problem is that we have no one other than Byrd who is hitting dramatically worse than their usual. what happens when Lahair isn't hitting .360 and Castro isn't hitting .370?

 

Cubs by OPS - today not included

 

LaHair - 1.128 - Going to come way down(and only 29 PA)

Castro - .835 - Maybe come down a little

DeJesus - .783 - Right at career norms

Barney - .727 - Maybe come down a little, no surprise if remains

Stewart - .654 - Below career norms

Soriano - .529 - WAY below career norms

Soto - .489 - WAY below career norms

Byrd - .231 - WAY below career norms

 

The bench has Clevenger playing way over his head(13 PA), and the rest of the bench hitting terribly to make it about normal (.642 as a group). Seems to me that regression will be the Cubs friend.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why would you continue to play stewart if his play continues as is?

 

Because he is the best option to face RH pitching and play 3B on this team as it currently stands. And nobody in the minors is even close to being ready.

[sneakypower]

yes, let's roll out the red carpet for a guy sporting a .688 OPS in the PCL, a place where even Tony Campana and Travis Wood can hit HRs

[nick23]

Also this is too small a sample size to judge against others in terms of bad offenses. The problem is that while our guys are basically playing to their career levels offensively...other teams are not. Chances are players and lineups that have traditionally competed at a certain level will come up to level over the long haul while those playing over their heads ill come back.

in terms of runs scored we are ahead of the A's, reds, phillies and pirates. The only offense I put in our catagory is the A's. We have the 6th worst BA , 6th worst OB% and fewest HR's in the majors. The big problem is that we have no one other than Byrd who is hitting dramatically worse than their usual. what happens when Lahair isn't hitting .360 and Castro isn't hitting .370?

 

my hope is that Lahair proves he is for real, barney and castro do what they have done.

Dempster, Garza, Marmol all pitch their arses off so we can trade them for some prospects.

Byrd plays like Byrd 2 years ago and maybe someone will take a vet OF for a prospect.

As I said No one other than Castro is guaranteed to be here in 2 years. This year is and should be like a year long evaluation camp for anyone near ready for the bigs.

Yeah, nobody is hitting worse than their career norms except for Byrd, Soriano, Soto, and the entire bench.

 

Really, the only two hitters hitting unsustainably well above their projections are LaHair and Clevenger.

Are you arguing that this offense isn't pathetic?

[bukie]

Also this is too small a sample size to judge against others in terms of bad offenses. The problem is that while our guys are basically playing to their career levels offensively...other teams are not. Chances are players and lineups that have traditionally competed at a certain level will come up to level over the long haul while those playing over their heads ill come back.

in terms of runs scored we are ahead of the A's, reds, phillies and pirates. The only offense I put in our catagory is the A's. We have the 6th worst BA , 6th worst OB% and fewest HR's in the majors. The big problem is that we have no one other than Byrd who is hitting dramatically worse than their usual. what happens when Lahair isn't hitting .360 and Castro isn't hitting .370?

 

my hope is that Lahair proves he is for real, barney and castro do what they have done.

Dempster, Garza, Marmol all pitch their arses off so we can trade them for some prospects.

Byrd plays like Byrd 2 years ago and maybe someone will take a vet OF for a prospect.

As I said No one other than Castro is guaranteed to be here in 2 years. This year is and should be like a year long evaluation camp for anyone near ready for the bigs.

Yeah, nobody is hitting worse than their career norms except for Byrd, Soriano, Soto, and the entire bench.

 

Really, the only two hitters hitting unsustainably well above their projections are LaHair and Clevenger.

Are you arguing that this offense isn't pathetic?

Are you reading anything? It's below average, more hitters are hitting unsustainably bad than unsustainably good, and several offenses are doing far worse.

[nick23]

Also this is too small a sample size to judge against others in terms of bad offenses. The problem is that while our guys are basically playing to their career levels offensively...other teams are not. Chances are players and lineups that have traditionally competed at a certain level will come up to level over the long haul while those playing over their heads ill come back.

in terms of runs scored we are ahead of the A's, reds, phillies and pirates. The only offense I put in our catagory is the A's. We have the 6th worst BA , 6th worst OB% and fewest HR's in the majors. The big problem is that we have no one other than Byrd who is hitting dramatically worse than their usual. what happens when Lahair isn't hitting .360 and Castro isn't hitting .370?

 

my hope is that Lahair proves he is for real, barney and castro do what they have done.

Dempster, Garza, Marmol all pitch their arses off so we can trade them for some prospects.

Byrd plays like Byrd 2 years ago and maybe someone will take a vet OF for a prospect.

As I said No one other than Castro is guaranteed to be here in 2 years. This year is and should be like a year long evaluation camp for anyone near ready for the bigs.

Yeah, nobody is hitting worse than their career norms except for Byrd, Soriano, Soto, and the entire bench.

 

Really, the only two hitters hitting unsustainably well above their projections are LaHair and Clevenger.

Are you arguing that this offense isn't pathetic?

Are you reading anything? It's below average, more hitters are hitting unsustainably bad than unsustainably good, and several offenses are doing far worse.

What do several offenses have to do with this one? You think the Phillies and Reds offense is going to end up beign worse than this one? Our second best hitter is a toss up between Bryan Lahair and David DeJesus.

[jersey cubs fan]

What do several offenses have to do with this one? You think the Phillies and Reds offense is going to end up beign worse than this one? Our second best hitter is a toss up between Bryan Lahair and David DeJesus.

 

You can only describe any aspect of a baseball team as good or bad based on how they compare with all of the rest. Philly was about as bad as the Cubs were last year and I'm not sure they'll be any better this year.

 

What the other person was saying is that the level of bad they are doesn't quite match up with the description some people are giving it.

[bukie]

What do several offenses have to do with this one? You think the Phillies and Reds offense is going to end up beign worse than this one? Our second best hitter is a toss up between Bryan Lahair and David DeJesus.

 

Hitting is down everywhere.

 

The Phillies could very well be that bad offensively all year.

 

The Pirates could very well be far worse all year. The Mariners, despite actually scoring runs to this point, could also be far worse.

 

You seem to be working under the assumption that everyone who is doing badly will continue as they are (Soriano, Byrd, Soto, Stewart, bench), and everyone who is actually doing well will fall off a cliff. There's a simple logical fallacy there if you care to realize it.

[bukie]

On a slightly related note, how long will it be before Andrew McCutchen isn't given a hittable pitch for the remainder of the season?

[SouthSideRyan]

What do several offenses have to do with this one? You think the Phillies and Reds offense is going to end up beign worse than this one? Our second best hitter is a toss up between Bryan Lahair and David DeJesus.

 

Hitting is down everywhere.

 

The Phillies could very well be that bad offensively all year.

 

The Pirates could very well be far worse all year. The Mariners, despite actually scoring runs to this point, could also be far worse.

 

You seem to be working under the assumption that everyone who is doing badly will continue as they are (Soriano, Byrd, Soto, Stewart, bench), and everyone who is actually doing well will fall off a cliff. There's a simple logical fallacy there if you care to realize it.

 

Well not everyone who is doing badly will continue as they are. People doing badly on other teams will hit like they're supposed to.

[nick23]

What do several offenses have to do with this one? You think the Phillies and Reds offense is going to end up beign worse than this one? Our second best hitter is a toss up between Bryan Lahair and David DeJesus.

 

Hitting is down everywhere.

 

The Phillies could very well be that bad offensively all year.

 

The Pirates could very well be far worse all year. The Mariners, despite actually scoring runs to this point, could also be far worse.

 

You seem to be working under the assumption that everyone who is doing badly will continue as they are (Soriano, Byrd, Soto, Stewart, bench), and everyone who is actually doing well will fall off a cliff. There's a simple logical fallacy there if you care to realize it.

I'm not at all saying that. But Soriano, Byrd, and Soto all OPS'd in the low .700's last year. Stewart somewhere in the .400's. Even when they start hitting "better" they'll still be sucky hitters contributing to a sucky offense.

[bukie]

What do several offenses have to do with this one? You think the Phillies and Reds offense is going to end up beign worse than this one? Our second best hitter is a toss up between Bryan Lahair and David DeJesus.

 

Hitting is down everywhere.

 

The Phillies could very well be that bad offensively all year.

 

The Pirates could very well be far worse all year. The Mariners, despite actually scoring runs to this point, could also be far worse.

 

You seem to be working under the assumption that everyone who is doing badly will continue as they are (Soriano, Byrd, Soto, Stewart, bench), and everyone who is actually doing well will fall off a cliff. There's a simple logical fallacy there if you care to realize it.

I'm not at all saying that. But Soriano, Byrd, and Soto all OPS'd in the low .700's last year. Stewart somewhere in the .400's. Even when they start hitting "better" they'll still be sucky hitters contributing to a sucky offense.

If Soriano, Byrd and Soto all OPS in the low .700's they'd be above average hitters this season.

[neely crenshaw]

unfortunately you grasping for straws. Using OPS at this point of the season is going to be greatly skewed. If you hit 1-2 Hrs it'll jump. I would expect everyone's hr number to end up where they are normally. That will help our runs number but not our overall offense.

DeJesus is hitting right where his career average is.

barney has a small sample size but hitting better than last year.

Castro will not hit .370 for the season that will fall to about .300

Stewart is a .235 hitter for his career and been fading. he is bouyed by hitting .259 one year because he has always been low .200's he is 4 years removed from his .259 25 hr season.

soriano is hitting.250. his career average is .274. his last 3 years with the cubs he has .241, ,258, .244 so do you expect that soriano or the guy that hit .290-.300 with the yankees?

lahair small sample

byrd=way low

soto= below average for career BUT he has a .280 average sandwiched around .218 and .228. right now he is 2 hits below being right up where last year was.

My statement was that no one is hitting remarkably below where you would expect them to be.

I would expect soriano to hit around .250, stewart maybe .220, soto .220, dejesus will probably dropn to ,250-260, barney .275 and castro low .300's.

last year we hit .256 as a team we are .233 without rameriz, fukudome and pena- who provided alot of offense especially ops. hitting 20 points lower

as for last season going into today we are actually 1 homerun and 1 single away from having the same exact slugging as last season without pena and rameriz. I think that should be very for seeable with this group?

Slice it anyway you want -the offense is bad, short of divine intervention there is more reason to see it getting worse not better.

Stewart, Dejesus, Baker, Byrd, Johnson, and most everyone else are not any long term solution.

[bukie]

Ok, everything in that unreadable blob of strawman is wrong.

 

Read the actual information given, brush up on basic sentence structure, and try again.