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[Formerly Snayke]

Someone with an outsized ego probably wouldn't call himself out and praise his defense.

 

BS. An NFL QB is going to praise his teammates. That media speak 101. Posting a clip criticizing himself to the media isn't particularly persuasive, given his job.

 

So you don't actually have an example of Brady being egotistical. You're just dismissing his quote as being typical.

[RynoRules]

Just reading the quote from this egotistical jerk makes me want to throw up:

 

“Well, I sucked pretty bad today but our defense saved us and I’m going to try to go out and do a better job in a couple weeks,” said Brady.

 

How is this persuasive? This isn't his first rodeo. He's not a moron. No ones arguing that.

 

He is consistent in making this sort of statement. Contrast that with Peyton, who has his moments, but just as frequently implies or directly assigns blame to others. Favre did/does the same thing. The point is that Brady is on par in terms of celebrity with Peyton and Favre, but he, IMO, is easily the most humble (at least publicly).

 

In terms of his intensity and demanding nature, it plays out in how Brady communicates with the players and coaches in the lockeroom and on the sideline (rather than through the press). That's fine with me. People with good leadership skills do that all the time. Working very hard and expecting the same of your teammates isn't a bad thing.

 

That's crap. People say that because he said "we had some protection problems" in the playoff loss to the Steelers in 2006-06 -- but forget to note, he makes the protection reads and calls.

 

Then he should have said "I", rather than "we". He very likely was implying that his O-Line and backs failed to understand the calls he was making.

[SouthSideRyan]

Just reading the quote from this egotistical jerk makes me want to throw up:

 

“Well, I sucked pretty bad today but our defense saved us and I’m going to try to go out and do a better job in a couple weeks,” said Brady.

 

How is this persuasive? This isn't his first rodeo. He's not a moron. No ones arguing that.

 

He is consistent in making this sort of statement. Contrast that with Peyton, who has his moments, but just as frequently implies or directly assigns blame to others. Favre did/does the same thing. The point is that Brady is on par in terms of celebrity with Peyton and Favre, but he, IMO, is easily the most humble (at least publicly).

 

In terms of his intensity and demanding nature, it plays out in how Brady communicates with the players and coaches in the lockeroom and on the sideline (rather than through the press). That's fine with me. People with good leadership skills do that all the time. Working very hard and expecting the same of your teammates isn't a bad thing.

 

That's crap. People say that because he said "we had some protection problems" in the playoff loss to the Steelers in 2006-06 -- but forget to note, he makes the protection reads and calls.

 

Also he is an idiot kicker

[Tracer Bullet]

Someone with an outsized ego probably wouldn't call himself out and praise his defense.

 

BS. An NFL QB is going to praise his teammates. That media speak 101. Posting a clip criticizing himself to the media isn't particularly persuasive, given his job.

 

So you don't actually have an example of Brady being egotistical. You're just dismissing his quote as being typical.

 

I'm dismissing his quote as being typical of an NFL QB. Yes. You think his quote is unique?

 

And no I'm not going to hunt for a similarly meaningless quote where he said something more damning. It'd be equally worthless to the discussion and requests for such stupid 'evidence' make no sense.

[jersey cubs fan]

chill and humble

 

Those were the words somebody used to describe Tom Brady and I have no idea how that is possible. He's not anywhere near "chill". He's also an NFL QB who knocked up his actress girlfriend, then left her for the world's greatest super model. He regularly tries to get into the model business as well. On the field he cries and whines about every call that does not go his way and beyond that demands outrageous calls go in his favor. The guy has absolutely no reason to be humble, I would love for him to have been the Bears QB for the past decade and would love to live his life, but let's stop pretending he's humble. He doesn't reach the Brett Favre level of douchiness, but since when is that piece of a crap the bar you must hurdle?

[RynoRules]

Someone with an outsized ego probably wouldn't call himself out and praise his defense.

 

BS. An NFL QB is going to praise his teammates. That media speak 101. Posting a clip criticizing himself to the media isn't particularly persuasive, given his job.

 

So you don't actually have an example of Brady being egotistical. You're just dismissing his quote as being typical.

 

I'm dismissing his quote as being typical of an NFL QB. Yes. You think his quote is unique?

 

And no I'm not going to hunt for a similarly meaningless quote where he said something more damning. It'd be equally worthless to the discussion and requests for such stupid 'evidence' make no sense.

 

If these quotes are meaningless and worthless, how have you formed your opinion of Brady? Do you know him personally?

[Theo]

Outside of being a long time fan of the Patriots, anyone cheering for the Patriots in this one would generally just have to be a pathological douchebag, IMO. What's really to hate about the Giants? Maybe Eli over the draft day thing but that was eight years ago. I think you have to admire the way they have gone about building their team via the draft. There is no goon the the Giants, they generally are all likeable guys.

 

In a game between two teams I don't really care for, I'd rather the team I feel is more deserving(i.e. didn't lose 7 games) win the championship. I can respect the sustained success the Patriots have had even if I don't root for them, the Giants are like the '06 Cardinals.

Before yesterday, the Patriots hadn't beaten a winning team all year. And considering the Giants won the head to head matchup in November, I don't see how the Patsies are more deserving.

[Tracer Bullet]

Just reading the quote from this egotistical jerk makes me want to throw up:

 

“Well, I sucked pretty bad today but our defense saved us and I’m going to try to go out and do a better job in a couple weeks,” said Brady.

 

How is this persuasive? This isn't his first rodeo. He's not a moron. No ones arguing that.

 

He is consistent in making this sort of statement. Contrast that with Peyton, who has his moments, but just as frequently implies or directly assigns blame to others. Favre did/does the same thing. The point is that Brady is on par in terms of celebrity with Peyton and Favre, but he, IMO, is easily the most humble (at least publicly).

 

In terms of his intensity and demanding nature, it plays out in how Brady communicates with the players and coaches in the lockeroom and on the sideline (rather than through the press). That's fine with me. People with good leadership skills do that all the time. Working very hard and expecting the same of your teammates isn't a bad thing.

 

Yeah, I don't think that's true. I think all 3 of them are pretty similar in intensity and lack of humility. Away from the game, Peyton and Favre come of as more laid back, but maybe I've just seen too many commercials. Brady seems like a very intense person.

 

Humility is not a characteristic common among star NFL QB, like good presidents, head coaches, CEOs, and other positions which require decisions in high pressure situations (I'm not equating NFL decisions with presidential decisions before someone loses their mind over that). Lack of humility is not necessarily a character flaw.

[Formerly Snayke]

And no I'm not going to hunt for a similarly meaningless quote where he said something more damning. It'd be equally worthless to the discussion and requests for such stupid 'evidence' make no sense.

 

Actually, this doesn't make any sense. You said the only people who think Tom Brady is humble are Michigan fans. You can't actually prove this and when provided with a quote, you dismiss it as being typical. And when pressed for evidence that he is not humble, you say it wouldn't make any sense.

 

So you have nothing to back up your statement that Brady isn't humble, other than...umm.

[Tracer Bullet]

Someone with an outsized ego probably wouldn't call himself out and praise his defense.

 

BS. An NFL QB is going to praise his teammates. That media speak 101. Posting a clip criticizing himself to the media isn't particularly persuasive, given his job.

 

So you don't actually have an example of Brady being egotistical. You're just dismissing his quote as being typical.

 

I'm dismissing his quote as being typical of an NFL QB. Yes. You think his quote is unique?

 

And no I'm not going to hunt for a similarly meaningless quote where he said something more damning. It'd be equally worthless to the discussion and requests for such stupid 'evidence' make no sense.

 

If these quotes are meaningless and worthless, how have you formed your opinion of Brady? Do you know him personally?

 

Watching him. You know he's chill from all the relaxing by the pool you guys do together?

[Formerly Snayke]

Watching him. You know he's chill from all the relaxing by the pool you guys do together?

 

He qualified that statement with "seemingly."

[RynoRules]

chill and humble

 

Those were the words somebody used to describe Tom Brady and I have no idea how that is possible. He's not anywhere near "chill". He's also an NFL QB who knocked up his actress girlfriend, then left her for the world's greatest super model. He regularly tries to get into the model business as well. On the field he cries and whines about every call that does not go his way and beyond that demands outrageous calls go in his favor. The guy has absolutely no reason to be humble, I would love for him to have been the Bears QB for the past decade and would love to live his life, but let's stop pretending he's humble. He doesn't reach the Brett Favre level of douchiness, but since when is that piece of a crap the bar you must hurdle?

 

I think you are missing my point, gooney (whoops - originally wrote "Sulley"). My opinion is directed at his professional demeanor relative to other people at his level of celebrity in the same profession. I can't comment on his personal life because I don't have enough info (I have heard from people in both Indy and Tennessee that Peyton Manning walks into a bar and announces his presence ("Peyton is here!!!"), but that alone doesn't tell me enough to form a judgment on who he is personally). So at least on the football field and with the press, yes, Brady seems more humble than his peers.

 

As for the bold part, I simply disagree. A good example would be when the TD he thought he scored last night was overturned. Near as I could tell, Brady went back to huddle without giving the ref(s) a hard time.

Edited January 23, 2012 by RynoRules

[RynoRules]

If these quotes are meaningless and worthless, how have you formed your opinion of Brady? Do you know him personally?

 

Watching him. You know he's chill from all the relaxing by the pool you guys do together?

 

I formed my opinion based on evidence that you have conveniently discounted because it doesn't support your argument or position.

[Tracer Bullet]

Watching him. You know he's chill from all the relaxing by the pool you guys do together?

 

He qualified that statement with "seemingly."

 

Are you [expletive] kidding me?

[jersey cubs fan]

As for the bold part, I simply disagree. A good example would be when the TD he thought he scored last night was overturned. Near as I could tell, Brady went back to huddle without giving the ref(s) a hard time.

 

You've never seen a Patriots game if you think that.

[Guest]

Outside of being a long time fan of the Patriots, anyone cheering for the Patriots in this one would generally just have to be a pathological douchebag, IMO. What's really to hate about the Giants? Maybe Eli over the draft day thing but that was eight years ago. I think you have to admire the way they have gone about building their team via the draft. There is no goon the the Giants, they generally are all likeable guys.

 

In a game between two teams I don't really care for, I'd rather the team I feel is more deserving(i.e. didn't lose 7 games) win the championship. I can respect the sustained success the Patriots have had even if I don't root for them, the Giants are like the '06 Cardinals.

Before yesterday, the Patriots hadn't beaten a winning team all year. And considering the Giants won the head to head matchup in November, I don't see how the Patsies are more deserving.

 

It's a 16 game season, the difference in schedule is negligible. There are no Mountain West schools in the NFL. Again, I don't really like either team, but I can handle the team that has won 9 of 11 division titles and didn't lose 7 games this year winning a title a bit more.

[RynoRules]

As for the bold part, I simply disagree. A good example would be when the TD he thought he scored last night was overturned. Near as I could tell, Brady went back to huddle without giving the ref(s) a hard time.

 

You've never seen a Patriots game if you think that.

 

 

I didn't say he "never" does it. Every player at every position and at every skill level argues calls at one time or another. In other words, I didn't say he is the Job of football. My opinion is that, relative to his peers (Again, not the Caleb Hanie's of the world. Rather, superstar / celebrity QB's.), he is humble and relaxed.

Edited January 23, 2012 by RynoRules

[jersey cubs fan]

Outside of being a long time fan of the Patriots, anyone cheering for the Patriots in this one would generally just have to be a pathological douchebag, IMO. What's really to hate about the Giants? Maybe Eli over the draft day thing but that was eight years ago. I think you have to admire the way they have gone about building their team via the draft. There is no goon the the Giants, they generally are all likeable guys.

 

In a game between two teams I don't really care for, I'd rather the team I feel is more deserving(i.e. didn't lose 7 games) win the championship. I can respect the sustained success the Patriots have had even if I don't root for them, the Giants are like the '06 Cardinals.

Before yesterday, the Patriots hadn't beaten a winning team all year. And considering the Giants won the head to head matchup in November, I don't see how the Patsies are more deserving.

 

It's a 16 game season, the difference in schedule is negligible. There are no Mountain West schools in the NFL. Again, I don't really like either team, but I can handle the team that has won 9 of 11 division titles and didn't lose 7 games this year winning a title a bit more.

What? The difference in schedule is very meaningful in just a 16 game NFL season. For one, the AFC West exists.

[Tracer Bullet]

As for the bold part, I simply disagree. A good example would be when the TD he thought he scored last night was overturned. Near as I could tell, Brady went back to huddle without giving the ref(s) a hard time.

 

You've never seen a Patriots game if you think that.

 

 

I didn't say he "never" does it. Every player at every position and at every skill level argues calls at one time or another. I didn't say he is the Job of football. My opinion is that, relative to his peers (again, not the Caleb Hanies of the world. Rather, superstar / celebrity QB's.), he is humble and relaxed.

 

Wow. I just don't see that at all. I see Cutler as more of the relaxed type. Cutler has a generally calm demeanor and a shoot from the hip type attitude. Brady seems intense and meticulous about every detail.

[Theo]

(@TT)I disagree, I think schedules can make a big difference in the NFL, especially with conferences that are consistently bad. Look at the Tampa Bay Bucs last year, they got to play the AFC and NFC west and won 10 games. The AFC West has been a pushover for a while now and the Patriots did a good job of beating them up.. and then they got the luck of the draw by getting the worst team to make the playoffs, the Broncos.

 

Biased aside, I think top to bottom the Giants are a better football team. Their defense, esp front 7 destroys that of the Patriots. On the offensive side of the ball, I think it's a push

 

Brady>Eli (Eli could even this out if he plays to his potential)

Pat's Oline >> Giants Oline

Giants WR's >>>>>> Patriot's WR's

Giants RB's>>Patriots Rb's

Patriots TE's>>>>Giants Te's

[RynoRules]

As for the bold part, I simply disagree. A good example would be when the TD he thought he scored last night was overturned. Near as I could tell, Brady went back to huddle without giving the ref(s) a hard time.

 

You've never seen a Patriots game if you think that.

 

 

I didn't say he "never" does it. Every player at every position and at every skill level argues calls at one time or another. I didn't say he is the Job of football. My opinion is that, relative to his peers (again, not the Caleb Hanies of the world. Rather, superstar / celebrity QB's.), he is humble and relaxed.

 

Wow. I just don't see that at all. I see Cutler as more of the relaxed type. Cutler has a generally calm demeanor and a shoot from the hip type attitude. Brady seems intense and meticulous about every detail.

 

I think we are looking at two different aspects of persona. Or maybe we are the saying the same thing in different ways. Either way, no need to go round-and-round. Agree to disagree.

[Tracer Bullet]

If these quotes are meaningless and worthless, how have you formed your opinion of Brady? Do you know him personally?

 

Watching him. You know he's chill from all the relaxing by the pool you guys do together?

 

I formed my opinion based on evidence that you have conveniently discounted because it doesn't support your argument or position.

 

Bc there aren't similar statements from every NFL QB? It's not persuasive, that's why I discount it.

 

I think you formed your opinion bc he's a Michigan Man (as you said).

[Guest]

It's a 16 game season, the difference in schedule is negligible. There are no Mountain West schools in the NFL. Again, I don't really like either team, but I can handle the team that has won 9 of 11 division titles and didn't lose 7 games this year winning a title a bit more.

What? The difference in schedule is very meaningful in just a 16 game NFL season. For one, the AFC West exists.

 

We're talking about a difference of less than 1 win per opponent played in a 16 game schedule. It's statistically insignificant. The difference in 7 win teams and 9 win teams is very little.

[Exile on Waveland]

That's crap. People say that because he said "we had some protection problems" in the playoff loss to the Steelers in 2006-06 -- but forget to note, he makes the protection reads and calls.

 

Then he should have said "I", rather than "we". He very likely was implying that his O-Line and backs failed to understand the calls he was making.

 

Sure, we can pick at these nits if you want. In a perfect public-relations world, maybe he should have said "I"; but,at the same time, he said "we" not "the offensive line" or "the idiot linemen" or something. And I disagree quite a bit that he was implying what you say, much less that it's "very likely." I think he was saying he made poor reads, the offensive line blocked poorly, he did a poor job feeling the pressure and throwing the ball quicker, etc., etc. Football is a team game; the collective "we" win and lose together.

[Exile on Waveland]

That's crap. People say that because he said "we had some protection problems" in the playoff loss to the Steelers in 2006-06 -- but forget to note, he makes the protection reads and calls.

 

Also he is an idiot kicker

 

Ha ha, that comment was awesome and hilarious. And only blamed Vanderjagt for being drunk and an idiot, instead of what I would have been tempted to say: "our idiot kicker -- that choked another playoff field goal costing our team a game -- got liquored up and ran his mouth."