Castro accused of sexual assault, no charges filed

[Tracer Bullet]

Good point. The cubs paid off the CPD shortly after Theo took over (or would this be Crane's area?). If so, we should turn the nsbb keys over to wsr.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You'd like to think that if the accusation was credible they would have at least questioned him then. I can't believe they wouldn't know when he was back in the US if they wanted to.

 

Of course, the Chicago PD doesn't have the most glowing reputation, so the failure to act quickly doesn't totally eliminate the possibility that this is credible.

2 words: hush money.

 

That explains where all the budget money has gone.

[Little Slide Rooter]

What exactly is he being accused of? The story I read was they were drunk together, the girl allegedly blacked out, came to early in the morning while they were having sex, objected and left. I don't recall seeing anything about force (and yes, I'm aware that drunk can't consent).

 

the law doesn't distinguish much between using force and knowing someone can't consent:

 

http://law.onecle.com/illinois/720ilcs5/12-13.html

 

http://law.onecle.com/illinois/720ilcs5/12-15.html

(and this lesser charge is still a class 4 felony if she was passed out...)

 

Maybe you missed the part where I said I know drunk can't consent. But in the law you reference, 1 requires force or threatened force, 2 requires Castro to know that the victim couldn't consent. If he's so drunk, he doesn't remember much of the evening either, what did he know?

 

Hey the law can be pretty strict on this point and maybe it should be. But I've struggled with 2 totally smashed people having sex and the guy being a rapist. Maybe I'm alone in that. Maybe every guy here that's had sex with a drunk woman is comfortable in the knowledge that he's a rapist. I doubt that though.

 

I have a hard time believing he gets charged with something unless he was pretty sober or there was force involved. Anything else and this looks a lot more like a mutual mistake than a crime.

 

We may rarely see eye to eye but you are very much not alone in that thinking. Starlin Castro may be a star athlete, and a hero to some but lest we forget, he's also a 21 year old kid. I don't know how many times I've heard about some drunk 18-early 20 somethings completely [expletive] up their own life and those of their families simply because they were too intoxicated to think clearly and when the smoke cleared both had a different interpretation of what happened and both probably legitimately feel that their story is the right one. Now if this girl awoke to find herself being groped that is vile and inexcusable no matter what, but nobody will ever truely know what happened besides the two people involved, an depending on how intoxicated they were maybe not even them.

[seanimal]

ugh. i'm half-tree, half-mr on this.

 

where there's smoke, there's fire. most of the time.

[XZero771679666304]

I think what MR is trying to state is that we don't have enough information to say whether or not he's a rapist. Until the exact details of what she's accusing him of come out, we really don't know.

 

What we do know is that she was very drunk, awoke and believed she was being assaulted, left, and filed a report some hours later.

 

What we don't know is exactly what Starlin was doing when she woke up, what condition he was in, etc.

 

I do not argue that if he was aware she could not consent and had sex with her any way, he's despicable and that according to the statutes is guilty of rape. I doubt that he would be prosecuted, but that is the case.

 

However, in a case like this, at least from my limited perspective, the devil may be in the details.

 

 

No one in this thread has said Starlin is a rapist, just that it is among the possibilities, and mentioning that it is isn't some kind of travesty or miscarriage of justice.

 

The timeline here here seems to be the best source of hope that this thing might not have real teeth.

 

Regardless, the only really palatable outcome (at least to me) would be for the whole thing to be proven to be BS.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I think what MR is trying to state is that we don't have enough information to say whether or not he's a rapist. Until the exact details of what she's accusing him of come out, we really don't know.

 

What we do know is that she was very drunk, awoke and believed she was being assaulted, left, and filed a report some hours later.

 

What we don't know is exactly what Starlin was doing when she woke up, what condition he was in, etc.

 

I do not argue that if he was aware she could not consent and had sex with her any way, he's despicable and that according to the statutes is guilty of rape. I doubt that he would be prosecuted, but that is the case.

 

However, in a case like this, at least from my limited perspective, the devil may be in the details.

 

 

No one in this thread has said Starlin is a rapist, just that it is among the possibilities, and mentioning that it is isn't some kind of travesty or miscarriage of justice.

 

The timeline here here seems to be the best source of hope that this thing might not have real teeth.

 

Regardless, the only really palatable outcome (at least to me) would be for the whole thing to be proven to be BS.

 

Even if it is complete BS I don't know how it's possible to prove it. The closest thing at this point would be for the girl to come out and either admit she made the whole thing up or to admit that it was consensual and even if that were to happen his reputation would meet fully heal as there would be talk that hush money(oh that word) came into play whether it did or not.

[XZero771679666304]

There could be a confluence of circumstances that thoroughly discredit the accusation.

[17 Seconds]

even if no legal action is taken, cards fans are still going to be able to make fun of castro for this for the next decade..... and all we'll be able to say is "we don't know what really happened!"

[UMFan83]

even if no legal action is taken, cards fans are still going to be able to make fun of castro for this for the next decade..... and all we'll be able to say is "we don't know what really happened!"

 

No doubt. Its the first thing I thought and posted when I heard this. even if they decide not to press charges and the girl admits that nothing happened, to our rivals, our best player will forever be referred to as a rapist.

[manbearcub]

Yeah, how awful.

[Sammy Sofa]

Whoooooooooooooooooo gives a [expletive] what other fans think?

[XZero771679666304]

Whoooooooooooooooooo gives a [expletive] what other fans think?

 

I don't. I just care what I think.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, same here. The "worry" about what fans of other teams think should be pretty [expletive] far down the list of concerns right now.

[17 Seconds]

yea i'm more terrified that an athlete on my favorite sports team is a bad person

[17 Seconds]

Whoooooooooooooooooo gives a [expletive] what other fans think?

 

when they're still calling castro a rapist in 2019 tell me if it's annoying

[Guest]

I don't know what happened, but if they don't press charges, IMO, he didn't do anything wrong. Innocent until proven guilty.

However, If he did do something wrong and they can't prove it, he'll do it again and again until he gets caught.

 

If I were a young, single MLB player I'd find a nice escort service and order room service.

[Fro]

Considering Castro hasn't even been arrested yet and it's been several months, I highly doubt anything comes from this unless he goes in for questioning and does extremely poorly there (and he won't because he'll have super lawyers with him).

 

Seems like "He Said/She Said" thing and we'll never know the truth.

 

Hopefully Castro learns to make better judgements from now on.

[Sammy Sofa]

Whoooooooooooooooooo gives a [expletive] what other fans think?

 

when they're still calling castro a rapist in 2019 tell me if it's annoying

 

As opposed to all the respect and admiration they'd have for him otherwise?

[Magnetic Curses]

Considering Castro hasn't even been arrested yet and it's been several months, I highly doubt anything comes from this unless he goes in for questioning and does extremely poorly there (and he won't because he'll have super lawyers with him).

 

Seems like "He Said/She Said" thing and we'll never know the truth.

 

Hopefully Castro learns to make better judgements from now on.

 

he's a kid, though. he goes out and gets drunk, some drunk comes home with him and blacks out after who knows what happened.

 

is the lesson here not to go out and drink and pick up chicks? that seems a bit limiting since that's one of the huge perks of being a pro athlete.

[Magnetic Curses]

Whoooooooooooooooooo gives a [expletive] what other fans think?

 

when they're still calling castro a rapist in 2019 tell me if it's annoying

 

this isn't even close to as serious as what happened with kobe. no one really cares anymore about what he did or didn't do.

[El Duderino]

did this make sportscenter or mlb network yesterday?

[Backtobanks]

The whole consent thing kind of reminds me of Borat walking down the street and asking every woman "Do you want to have sex with me?" (in a heavy foreign accent). Obviously Castro made a very bad decision, but I think it will be hard to get an arrest (let alone conviction) with the woman so drunk that she passed out being able to keep her story straight.

[Little Slide Rooter]

did this make sportscenter or mlb network yesterday?

 

Don't think so. Hasn't really been getting much press at all, even in the Chicago area. I know Castro isn't Big Ben or Kobe but he's pretty big here.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Whoooooooooooooooooo gives a [expletive] what other fans think?

 

when they're still calling castro a rapist in 2019 tell me if it's annoying

 

If he's been found innocent or 8 years earlier, either who cares or it will have blown over. If he's found guilty, maybe he deserves it.

[Bote McBoteface]

Why would anybody complain about Starlin Castro groping them?