2011-2012 NBA Season

[Ryne Ween]

Durant tweeted something like "I only went to college for a few months what does ____ mean" I forgot what the word was but it was pretty funny.

[SpongeWorthy]

Durant tweeted something like "I only went to college for a few months what does ____ mean" I forgot what the word was but it was pretty funny.

 

Neutrogena.

[Ryne Ween]

Magic's laker career is being disrespected like crazy. I dont think "greatest laker" is shaq's to crown. I would even question that Kobe's mvp coulda easily went to cp3 who behind lebron was the 2nd best player in the league at that time.

[illiniguy]

Magic's laker career is being disrespected like crazy. I dont think "greatest laker" is shaq's to crown. I would even question that Kobe's mvp coulda easily went to cp3 who behind lebron was the 2nd best player in the league at that time.

Magic doesn't get the respect he deserves. At all.

[illiniguy]

Anyone else seen the pic of Steve Francis floating around? He looks 60.

[Guest]

Magic's laker career is being disrespected like crazy. I dont think "greatest laker" is shaq's to crown. I would even question that Kobe's mvp coulda easily went to cp3 who behind lebron was the 2nd best player in the league at that time.

Magic doesn't get the respect he deserves. At all.

 

Certainly not amongst Laker fans under the age of 35.

[Banedon]

Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

 

Asian fan is holding up a sign: "Who says we can't drive?" Tremendous. It's all Jeremy Lin all the time

[illiniguy]

Magic's laker career is being disrespected like crazy. I dont think "greatest laker" is shaq's to crown. I would even question that Kobe's mvp coulda easily went to cp3 who behind lebron was the 2nd best player in the league at that time.

Magic doesn't get the respect he deserves. At all.

 

Certainly not amongst Laker fans under the age of 35.

I don't get it at all. I supervise a ton of young basketball fans at work. Their general consensus is that a young Magic couldn't play point guard in the league now. It infuriates me. Everything new isn't necesarrily better.

[illiniguy]

you cant fake it in the NBA for very long. Jazz suck ass on the road and nets just suck ass. Let's see what happens when a team breaks him down, makes him go left and and doesn't just high trap and let Chandler slip into the lane.

Yep probably, but I wonder if people thought the same about Steve Nash before he got a real shot in Dallas.

[SouthSideRyan]

you cant fake it in the NBA for very long. Jazz suck ass on the road and nets just suck ass. Let's see what happens when a team breaks him down, makes him go left and and doesn't just high trap and let Chandler slip into the lane.

Yep probably, but I wonder if people thought the same about Steve Nash before he got a real shot in Dallas.

 

Lin was an undrafted free agent who was let go by 2 teams for nothing. Nash was the 15th overall pick who was traded 2 years later for that year's 19th pick, plus the next year's draft pick from a team who just finished the season 20-62.

 

ETA: Pat Garrity was in a lot of huge trades.

 

September 25, 1997: As part of a 3-team trade, traded by the Cleveland Cavaliers (as a 1998 1st round draft pick) with Terrell Brandon and Tyrone Hill to the Milwaukee Bucks; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Sherman Douglas to the Cleveland Cavaliers; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Vin Baker to the Seattle SuperSonics; and the Seattle SuperSonics traded Shawn Kemp to the Cleveland Cavaliers.

June 24, 1998: Traded by the Dallas Mavericks with Martin Muursepp, Bubba Wells and a 1999 1st round draft pick (Shawn Marion) to the Phoenix Suns for Steve Nash.

June 24, 1998: Traded by the Milwaukee Bucks with Dirk Nowitzki to the Dallas Mavericks for Robert Traylor.

August 5, 1999: Traded by the Phoenix Suns with Danny Manning, a 2001 1st round draft pick (Jason Collins) and a 2002 1st round draft pick (Amare Stoudemire) to the Orlando Magic for Anfernee Hardaway.

[Ryne Ween]

I guess Dantoni just knows how to get stats out of his points that arent toney douglas or chris duhon. Id love to love what Lin is doing but simply cant becasue i absolutely despise that franchise and its fans.

 

Shortly somebody is going to come along and zip up Lin, and give everybody a blueprint on how to disrupt his game. Its probably gonna be carmelo anthoney.

 

I heard that in new york they are saying hes basically Tony Parker, despite the fact Parker had 2 titles and an all star appearence by the time he was Lin's age.

 

So if the Bulls continue to play great, we are looking at Bulls-Knicks in the first round? I cant wait to see us dismantle that team.

[17 Seconds]

totally rational knicks fans talk about how theyre glad they didnt get chris paul because now they have lin:

 

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1159476

[illiniguy]

you cant fake it in the NBA for very long. Jazz suck ass on the road and nets just suck ass. Let's see what happens when a team breaks him down, makes him go left and and doesn't just high trap and let Chandler slip into the lane.

Yep probably, but I wonder if people thought the same about Steve Nash before he got a real shot in Dallas.

 

Lin was an undrafted free agent who was let go by 2 teams for nothing. Nash was the 15th overall pick who was traded 2 years later for that year's 19th pick, plus the next year's draft pick from a team who just finished the season 20-62.

 

ETA: Pat Garrity was in a lot of huge trades.

 

September 25, 1997: As part of a 3-team trade, traded by the Cleveland Cavaliers (as a 1998 1st round draft pick) with Terrell Brandon and Tyrone Hill to the Milwaukee Bucks; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Sherman Douglas to the Cleveland Cavaliers; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Vin Baker to the Seattle SuperSonics; and the Seattle SuperSonics traded Shawn Kemp to the Cleveland Cavaliers.

June 24, 1998: Traded by the Dallas Mavericks with Martin Muursepp, Bubba Wells and a 1999 1st round draft pick (Shawn Marion) to the Phoenix Suns for Steve Nash.

June 24, 1998: Traded by the Milwaukee Bucks with Dirk Nowitzki to the Dallas Mavericks for Robert Traylor.

August 5, 1999: Traded by the Phoenix Suns with Danny Manning, a 2001 1st round draft pick (Jason Collins) and a 2002 1st round draft pick (Amare Stoudemire) to the Orlando Magic for Anfernee Hardaway.

Yeah he isn't going to be as good as Steve Nash, but they don't need him to be. They just need him to not be awful.

[Ryne Ween]

you cant fake it in the NBA for very long. Jazz suck ass on the road and nets just suck ass. Let's see what happens when a team breaks him down, makes him go left and and doesn't just high trap and let Chandler slip into the lane.

Yep probably, but I wonder if people thought the same about Steve Nash before he got a real shot in Dallas.

 

Lin was an undrafted free agent who was let go by 2 teams for nothing. Nash was the 15th overall pick who was traded 2 years later for that year's 19th pick, plus the next year's draft pick from a team who just finished the season 20-62.

 

Steve Nash was (still is) one of the best ballhandlers (w/both hands) the league has ever seen, to go with supreme court vision, unbelievablely accurate passing ability (w/both hands) and and among the best jumpers ever. At his age now, without his former quickness, he can work in traffic better than any other guard in the league. Lin is not that kind of playmaker, doesnt have that type of handle or shot and never will.

 

Not to say Lin wont be useful, but comparing him to nash is asinine, as they dont share any similarities in their game.

[illiniguy]

you cant fake it in the NBA for very long. Jazz suck ass on the road and nets just suck ass. Let's see what happens when a team breaks him down, makes him go left and and doesn't just high trap and let Chandler slip into the lane.

Yep probably, but I wonder if people thought the same about Steve Nash before he got a real shot in Dallas.

 

Lin was an undrafted free agent who was let go by 2 teams for nothing. Nash was the 15th overall pick who was traded 2 years later for that year's 19th pick, plus the next year's draft pick from a team who just finished the season 20-62.

 

Steve Nash was (still is) one of the best ballhandlers (w/both hands) the league has ever seen, to go with supreme court vision, unbelievablely accurate passing ability (w/both hands) and and among the best jumpers ever. At his age now, without his former quickness, he can work in traffic better than any other guard in the league. Lin is not that kind of playmaker, doesnt have that type of handle or shot and never will.

 

Not to say Lin wont be useful, but comparing him to nash is asinine, as they dont share any similarities in their game.

I didn't mean to really compare their games. Just the situations that they were in. I think he will be passable in the system Mike D runs.

[17 Seconds]

but their situations weren't even remotely similar

[Ryne Ween]

totally rational knicks fans talk about how theyre glad they didnt get chris paul because now they have lin:

 

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1159476

 

I wish i didnt see that. I got 4 posts down and somebody said that "if melo plays like durant in this system we are the best team in the league".

 

Glad you dont have Chris Paul? I did not realize anybody could support that opinion. The bulls have the reigning MVP at point guard and I am not glad we dont have chris paul. (I will completely ignore the fact that at no point, ever, were the knicks anywhere close to obtaining chris paul.)

[illiniguy]

but their situations weren't even remotely similar

Both undervalued guys. Nash was thought of as more of a backup, in reality he was a star. Lin was thought of as a D-Leaguer, in reality he's a serviceable pro. Both played very very well in Mike D's system.

[Banedon]

Glad you dont have Chris Paul? I did not realize anybody could support that opinion. The bulls have the reigning MVP at point guard and I am not glad we dont have chris paul. (I will completely ignore the fact that at no point, ever, were the knicks anywhere close to obtaining chris paul.)

 

Clarify this. Given the oppotunity, you'd take Paul over Rose?

[Ryne Ween]

but their situations weren't even remotely similar

Both undervalued guys. Nash was thought of as more of a backup, in reality he was a star. Lin was thought of as a D-Leaguer, in reality he's a serviceable pro. Both played very very well in Mike D's system.

 

Yea I can agree with this. Lin is on his way to proving he belongs in the NBA. If what you are saying is "Dantoni runs everything through his point, the guy who gets the first pass to shoots 20 seconds left ont he shot clock and they get 8-10 extra possessions resulting in steriod era statistics for the point guard" then yes, playing in Mike D's system will stuff a guy like Nash or Felton, or even maybe Lin's stats.

 

Not to take anything away from Nash, but obviously without a system like that he doesnt win two MVPs (and he arguably should have gotten that 3rd). Historically point guards dont MVPs, to the point where if Nash and Rose play against each other next year, (im pretty sure) it will be the first time two MVP point guards play in the same game ever.

[illiniguy]

Glad you dont have Chris Paul? I did not realize anybody could support that opinion. The bulls have the reigning MVP at point guard and I am not glad we dont have chris paul. (I will completely ignore the fact that at no point, ever, were the knicks anywhere close to obtaining chris paul.)

 

Clarify this. Given the oppotunity, you'd take Paul over Rose?

I'd play them together.

[Ryne Ween]

Glad you dont have Chris Paul? I did not realize anybody could support that opinion. The bulls have the reigning MVP at point guard and I am not glad we dont have chris paul. (I will completely ignore the fact that at no point, ever, were the knicks anywhere close to obtaining chris paul.)

 

Clarify this. Given the oppotunity, you'd take Paul over Rose?

 

No, id put them on the floor together, as that would be unstoppable. I figured in the knicks fans' alternate reality they had the option of both Lin and Paul, but given paul's contract needs and the fact they would have to trade for him, they were "blessed to just have Lin, the cap room, and Shumpert/Fields; and not just Paul". Perhaps i misunderstood their thread.

 

Between the two, Id take Rose (to start a franchise with) because he is younger and Paul has suffered a knee injury. If it were a one of season, it would depend on the composition of the rest of the team.

 

I would have never dreamed that Rose could even be argued over CP3 after just three years in the league. Its pretty remarkable that you can successfully make that argument.

 

I also think there are areas that Rose may improve before his quickness starts to decline, whereas CP3 is probably at his summit right now.

[Banedon]

Wow....Howard had 24 boards against Miami last night?

[Ryne Ween]

Speaking of Chris Paul: A little MVP talk. Lebron is having a once in a generation season and in my opinion should be leading the race by a wide margin. For the sake of discussion lets say a portion of the voting panel hates him enough to buy into the myths surrounding his game to drop him off their ballots (this is actually quite possible).

 

I feel like they have been waiting for an opportunity to get KD his MVP. Id like to see him get one but i think if you look at the LAC roster from last year compared to this year (and Vinny's pathetic coaching), and the fact that they won 30 games last year and this year will probably get a top 4 seed in the west; Paul's impact is ridiculous and he should be leading the non-Lebron MVP race.

 

Their GM should get exec of the year for pulling off that deal too. Pop should get coach of the year, every year.

[imb]

I'm a fan of only voting for a guy as MVP if he plays for a good defensive team. Durant is having an amazing season, but we're so bad defensively at this point that I couldn't justify picking him over LeBron. You're right though, he's going to get one of those MVPs eventually because people just want to give it to him.