Coco Crisp

[davearm2]

You completely missed the point of Truffle's post.

Nope.

[Sammy Sofa]

Read it again and report back.

[TruffleShuffle]

yes, you did. when i wrote "whatever you can get" i meant that - basically i was talking about trading them away without caring about the return (i threw in the part about eating salary because obviously with zambrano if someone is willing to take his whole salary off your hands, you do it), because wsr seemed to be saying that if you aren't going to win then you mineaswell spend as little money as possible.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Crisp is now the highest paid player on the A's. Moreso than any other franchise it seems, they need to get final word about their stadium fate so they can be moved, contracted, whatever. Because they are just aimless right now.

 

It just seems like Billys luck has run out the past 4-5 years. They're no longer generating the top prospects they once did and all of the top prospects they acquired in his masterful trades have been doing bellyflops and Beanes just seemed weird and desperate the past few years adding guys like Mastsui, Nomar, Giambi and of course Holliday in an extremely un Beane-like trade. Now they're just stuck hoping that Daric Barton, Michael Taylor, and Chris Carter can pull things together along with the haul they got for Gio and Cahill. For now, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them add someone like Manny or Vlad.

[Sammy Sofa]

You wouldn't be surprised to see them sign the 39-year-old Manny Ramirez who still has to serve a 50-game suspension.

[davearm2]

yes, you did. when i wrote "whatever you can get" i meant that - basically i was talking about trading them away without caring about the return (i threw in the part about eating salary because obviously with zambrano if someone is willing to take his whole salary off your hands, you do it), because wsr seemed to be saying that if you aren't going to win then you mineaswell spend as little money as possible.

I have understood that all along.

[El Duderino]

You wouldn't be surprised to see them sign the 39-year-old Manny Ramirez who still has to serve a 50-game suspension.

 

doesn't he face 100 games?

[Rob]

You wouldn't be surprised to see them sign the 39-year-old Manny Ramirez who still has to serve a 50-game suspension.

 

doesn't he face 100 games?

 

MLB says he should face 100 games. Manny's camp (and likely the MLBPA) says his retirement last season should count towards those 100. Both sides are amenable to a 50 game suspension, though I don't know that anything has been officially declared.

[Sammy Sofa]

You wouldn't be surprised to see them sign the 39-year-old Manny Ramirez who still has to serve a 50-game suspension.

 

doesn't he face 100 games?

 

MLB says he should face 100 games. Manny's camp (and likely the MLBPA) says his retirement last season should count towards those 100. Both sides are amenable to a 50 game suspension, though I don't know that anything has been officially declared.

 

Right. If he did play it sounds like he'd like get 50 games instead of 100.

[TruffleShuffle]

Crisp is now the highest paid player on the A's. Moreso than any other franchise it seems, they need to get final word about their stadium fate so they can be moved, contracted, whatever. Because they are just aimless right now.

 

It just seems like Billys luck has run out the past 4-5 years. They're no longer generating the top prospects they once did and all of the top prospects they acquired in his masterful trades have been doing bellyflops and Beanes just seemed weird and desperate the past few years adding guys like Mastsui, Nomar, Giambi and of course Holliday in an extremely un Beane-like trade. Now they're just stuck hoping that Daric Barton, Michael Taylor, and Chris Carter can pull things together along with the haul they got for Gio and Cahill. For now, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them add someone like Manny or Vlad.

 

like TT said, the stadium issue is just massive for them. the coliseum is a dump that's outdated and not suitable for baseball, especially when you have a gorgeous pac bell park (or at&t, whatever the hell it's called now) sitting on the other side of the bay. i actually sympathize with lew wolff (as much as one can sympathize with an extremely rich person, anyway) - he legitimately seems committed to keeping the a's in northern california and has tried a lot of things to get the new stadium done, without holding the local community hostage by threatening to move the club, but he keeps running into roadblocks. the city of oakland has been useless, a lot of the fremont community complained about the possibility of the a's relocating there (plus BART, the light rain, wasn't helping matters), and the giants can block a move to san jose. if the san jose plan doesn't go through i'd have a hard time blaming wolff for moving his team to whatever city is willing to give him a sweet deal.

[El Duderino]

i'm sure selig would compensate the giants if the a's can really get a deal to move to san jose.

[TruffleShuffle]

yes, you did. when i wrote "whatever you can get" i meant that - basically i was talking about trading them away without caring about the return (i threw in the part about eating salary because obviously with zambrano if someone is willing to take his whole salary off your hands, you do it), because wsr seemed to be saying that if you aren't going to win then you mineaswell spend as little money as possible.

I have understood that all along.

 

oh ok, so you just decided to argue against a point that i wasn't making, good work.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Crisp is now the highest paid player on the A's. Moreso than any other franchise it seems, they need to get final word about their stadium fate so they can be moved, contracted, whatever. Because they are just aimless right now.

 

It just seems like Billys luck has run out the past 4-5 years. They're no longer generating the top prospects they once did and all of the top prospects they acquired in his masterful trades have been doing bellyflops and Beanes just seemed weird and desperate the past few years adding guys like Mastsui, Nomar, Giambi and of course Holliday in an extremely un Beane-like trade. Now they're just stuck hoping that Daric Barton, Michael Taylor, and Chris Carter can pull things together along with the haul they got for Gio and Cahill. For now, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them add someone like Manny or Vlad.

 

like TT said, the stadium issue is just massive for them. the coliseum is a dump that's outdated and not suitable for baseball, especially when you have a gorgeous pac bell park (or at&t, whatever the hell it's called now) sitting on the other side of the bay. i actually sympathize with lew wolff (as much as one can sympathize with an extremely rich person, anyway) - he legitimately seems committed to keeping the a's in northern california and has tried a lot of things to get the new stadium done, without holding the local community hostage by threatening to move the club, but he keeps running into roadblocks. the city of oakland has been useless, a lot of the fremont community complained about the possibility of the a's relocating there (plus BART, the light rain, wasn't helping matters), and the giants can block a move to san jose. if the san jose plan doesn't go through i'd have a hard time blaming wolff for moving his team to whatever city is willing to give him a sweet deal.

 

Too bad their dump isn't quite old and dumpy enough to be considered a landmark and hallowed halls of baseball history.

[TruffleShuffle]

stop being a fool. wrigley is a great baseball park, albeit one that has outdated facilities and infrastructure. the coliseum is a football stadium where the a's happen to play baseball. the coliseum never would be around to be considered one of hallowed halls of baseball because it sucks and no team would play there for 100 years.

[Little Slide Rooter]

stop being a fool. wrigley is a great baseball park, albeit one that has outdated facilities and infrastructure. the coliseum is a football stadium where the a's happen to play baseball. the coliseum never would be around to be considered one of hallowed halls of baseball because it sucks and no team would play there for 100 years.

 

Sorry to go on a bit of a tangeant, But don't get me wrong, I love Wrigley, hell I named my dog after it but like when I'm toy shopping for my daughter and come across older or retro toys, they have a great nostalgic appeal but the fact of the matter is that the new toys are a hell of a lot cooler. I'm all for riding Wrigley as long as its still useable but if they decide to build a new park I would not be amongst the protesters.

[davearm2]

yes, you did. when i wrote "whatever you can get" i meant that - basically i was talking about trading them away without caring about the return (i threw in the part about eating salary because obviously with zambrano if someone is willing to take his whole salary off your hands, you do it), because wsr seemed to be saying that if you aren't going to win then you mineaswell spend as little money as possible.

I have understood that all along.

 

oh ok, so you just decided to argue against a point that i wasn't making, good work.

I don't recall arguing.

[mul21]

stop being a fool. wrigley is a great baseball park, albeit one that has outdated facilities and infrastructure. the coliseum is a football stadium where the a's happen to play baseball. the coliseum never would be around to be considered one of hallowed halls of baseball because it sucks and no team would play there for 100 years.

 

Sorry to go on a bit of a tangeant, But don't get me wrong, I love Wrigley, hell I named my dog after it but like when I'm toy shopping for my daughter and come across older or retro toys, they have a great nostalgic appeal but the fact of the matter is that the new toys are a hell of a lot cooler. I'm all for riding Wrigley as long as its still useable but if they decide to build a new park I would not be amongst the protesters.

 

You have a daughter? Oh god.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I started to panic when I found out he had a dog.

[Little Slide Rooter]

stop being a fool. wrigley is a great baseball park, albeit one that has outdated facilities and infrastructure. the coliseum is a football stadium where the a's happen to play baseball. the coliseum never would be around to be considered one of hallowed halls of baseball because it sucks and no team would play there for 100 years.

 

Sorry to go on a bit of a tangeant, But don't get me wrong, I love Wrigley, hell I named my dog after it but like when I'm toy shopping for my daughter and come across older or retro toys, they have a great nostalgic appeal but the fact of the matter is that the new toys are a hell of a lot cooler. I'm all for riding Wrigley as long as its still useable but if they decide to build a new park I would not be amongst the protesters.

 

You have a daughter? Oh god.

 

I make posts on a message board that don't appeal to you how could I possibly lead a normal fulfilling life with a family and not be locked in a hole somewhere only to be let out from time to time to make poorly spelled and structured posts about baseball?

[Sammy Sofa]

Well, that was shockingly self-aware.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Well, that was shockingly self-aware.

 

Very much so. I'm well aware that I'm not amongst the NSBB "popular crowd", but I'm not here to make friends. I'm hear to share my opinions and speculations as well as read and respond to those of others on Cubs baseball, baseball in general, and occasionally other topics. I lot of people are subject to random, often uncalled for attacks, but they keep coming back all the same, because this is a very good place for said discussions. If mul21, whom I'm not even particularly familiar with as a poster but seems to have taken quite a notice of me lately or some other guy I don't know want's to take a jab at me, maybe I see it as unnecessary, but it's hardly going to ruin my day. I try when I can to keep up with my spell check to keep Truffle Shuffle at bay though I still get lazy, but that's really as far as I'll go to appease those who feel it necessary to attack what I have to say.

[treebird]

Well, that was shockingly self-aware.

 

Very much so. I'm well aware that I'm not amongst the NSBB "popular crowd", but I'm nit here to make friends. I'm hear to share my opinions and speculations as well as read and respond to those of others on Cubs baseball, baseball in general, and occasionally other topics. I lot of people are subject to random, often uncalled for attacks, but they keep coming back all the same, because this is a very good place for said discussions. If mul21, whom I'm not even particularly familiar with as a poster but seems to have taken quite a notice of me lately or some other guy I don't know want's to take a jab at me, maybe I see it as unnecessary, but it's hardly going to ruin my day.

 

[Little Slide Rooter]

Well, that was shockingly self-aware.

 

Very much so. I'm well aware that I'm not amongst the NSBB "popular crowd", but I'm nit here to make friends. I'm hear to share my opinions and speculations as well as read and respond to those of others on Cubs baseball, baseball in general, and occasionally other topics. I lot of people are subject to random, often uncalled for attacks, but they keep coming back all the same, because this is a very good place for said discussions. If mul21, whom I'm not even particularly familiar with as a poster but seems to have taken quite a notice of me lately or some other guy I don't know want's to take a jab at me, maybe I see it as unnecessary, but it's hardly going to ruin my day.

 

 

Exactly. I'm to here to make friends. I'm here to win the heart of Flavor Flav and yall bitches aint gown stand in my way.