Jim Boeheim

[jersey cubs fan]

He's no Joe Paterno, but there's still a lot of questions to be answered.

 

 

So far the oddest part seems to be that Fine's wife's vagina was apparently a ritualistic team drill, and that she also slept with the victim.

[rawaction]

The Penn St story is sad and disgusting. The Syracuse story is kind of entertaining and funny.

[Sammy Sofa]

I hated college sports to begin with, so all of this feels simultaneously horrifying and vindicating.

[treebird]

boeheim's comments on all of this ("this guy is a liar who wants money" followed by "i guess i was wrong but i will always defend my friends so i'm not really sorry") have been pretty infuriating. not a fan.

[wade]

boeheim's comments on all of this ("this guy is a liar who wants money" followed by "i guess i was wrong but i will always defend my friends so i'm not really sorry") have been pretty infuriating. not a fan.

 

The a-hole also cracked wise at a presser following the first game after the scandal. How can someone in his situation react so poorly when the PSU news still has to be fresh in their memory?

[Sammy Sofa]

boeheim's comments on all of this ("this guy is a liar who wants money" followed by "i guess i was wrong but i will always defend my friends so i'm not really sorry") have been pretty infuriating. not a fan.

 

The a-hole also cracked wise at a presser following the first game after the scandal. How can someone in his situation react so poorly when the PSU news still has to be fresh in their memory?

 

Dumb jocks are dumb.

[Guest]

The Penn St story is sad and disgusting. The Syracuse story is kind of entertaining and funny.

Still talking about molestation of minors. Not sure how that's funny.

[jersey cubs fan]

boeheim's comments on all of this ("this guy is a liar who wants money" followed by "i guess i was wrong but i will always defend my friends so i'm not really sorry") have been pretty infuriating. not a fan.

 

The a-hole also cracked wise at a presser following the first game after the scandal. How can someone in his situation react so poorly when the PSU news still has to be fresh in their memory?

How would you feel if these shady characters assaulted your friend's reputation and in turn threatened your own legacy. Maybe Fine did do some things he shouldn't have done with those guys, but that doesn't reflect on Boeheim, not after all the money he gave toward cancer research and the books he donated to the library here on campus. Get off his back and leave him alone.

 

I understand the affection you may have for the man but it really is inexcusable to react the way he did and say what he said about the alleged victims.

[chuckywang]

The Penn St story is sad and disgusting. The Syracuse story is kind of entertaining and funny.

 

No, it's really not.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Penn St story is sad and disgusting. The Syracuse story is kind of entertaining and funny.

 

No, it's really not.

 

The part involving the wife is pretty funny, but then you think that the same 18 years old she was supposedly banging was raped by her husband and she knew about it, and it's pretty disgusting. Talk about a guy who has probably had some funky relationships in his adult life.

[rawaction]

The Penn St story is sad and disgusting. The Syracuse story is kind of entertaining and funny.

 

No, it's really not.

 

The part involving the wife is pretty funny, but then you think that the same 18 years old she was supposedly banging was raped by her husband and she knew about it, and it's pretty disgusting. Talk about a guy who has probably had some funky relationships in his adult life.

 

Which is what I meant. Of course, I am an avid supporter of child rape and molestation, so you never know.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The Penn St story is sad and disgusting. The Syracuse story is kind of entertaining and funny.

You're weird.

[Derwood]

I know people are acting butthurt about this "ESPN KNEW EIGHT YEARS AGO!!!" story, but a) they told the police 8 years ago and the case was dismissed (sound familiar?) and b) they didn't report on it because they couldn't confirm the voice on the recording (at the time)

[jersey cubs fan]

I know people are acting butthurt about this "ESPN KNEW EIGHT YEARS AGO!!!" story, but a) they told the police 8 years ago and the case was dismissed (sound familiar?) and b) they didn't report on it because they couldn't confirm the voice on the recording (at the time)

 

They could have confirmed the voice, they waited until the more recent news to do anything about verifying the voice. And considering how outside the lines promotes itself as the moral crusader, especially with regards to amateur sports, this was a piss poor showing by them. But not nearly as bad as what PSU failed to do within their own institution.

[Derwood]

I know people are acting butthurt about this "ESPN KNEW EIGHT YEARS AGO!!!" story, but a) they told the police 8 years ago and the case was dismissed (sound familiar?) and b) they didn't report on it because they couldn't confirm the voice on the recording (at the time)

 

They could have confirmed the voice, they waited until the more recent news to do anything about verifying the voice. And considering how outside the lines promotes itself as the moral crusader, especially with regards to amateur sports, this was a piss poor showing by them. But not nearly as bad as what PSU failed to do within their own institution.

 

if they turned the recording over to the police, what exactly did ESPN do wrong? they're a sports entertainment channel, not a branch of the justice system.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://deadspin.com/5864334/espn-keeps-trying-to-pretend-it-cared-about-the-bernie-fine-molestation-allegations-all-along

 

ESPN's Mark Schwarz, the reporter who spent eight years not reporting the story that a Syracuse ballboy had accused assistant coach Bernie Fine of molesting him, has now taken his own turn in the spotlight on the ESPN Rationalization Tour by talking to Sports Illustrated's Richard Deitsch. As Deitsch recounts, after Schwarz recorded an interview* with alleged victim Bobby Davis in 2003, the reporter waited eight years for a corroborating witness to come forward.

 

Finally, in November, after the news of the Jerry Sandusky scandal at Penn State broke, Davis's stepbrother Mike Lang called Schwarz's cell phone. Here's what he said:

 

"Bernie grabbed my leg a few times."

 

Oh, wait. According to Schwarz, that's what Lang said to ESPN reporters EIGHT YEARS AGO, when they interviewed him and decided not to bother pursuing the story. This is how ESPN defends its own decision. To be fair, here's the full quote, via Schwarz, via Deitsch:

 

"Bernie grabbed my leg a few times but he didn't really do too much to me and I don't have anything to say to you.

 

That's a denial? "He didn't really do too much to me"? They had one ballboy with a graphic account of being molested by Fine, and a second ballboy saying Fine had "grabbed my leg a few times." What else did they want?

[jersey cubs fan]

Their job was to report the story. And they didn't do their job. Schwarz's reasoning about why not to have given the cops the tape nicely captures ESPN's passivity and journalistic cowardice:

 

I know we have been criticized for that, but given that he had contacted the police and that we didn't know that much about the tape or how it was made, we really didn't have the tools to take it to the police ourselves. In fact, we could have gotten Bobby Davis in trouble if the tape was recorded illegally.

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But the tape wasn't recorded illegally. ESPN determined that itself, last week, before it decided to bring out the tape to back up its Bernie Fine coverage. Nothing was stopping ESPN from checking the relevant wiretap laws back in 2003. Just like nothing was stopping it back then from hiring a voice-recognition expert to identify Laurie Fine's voice on the tape.

 

When ESPN decided to run the story last week, those problems suddenly became solvable. The only reason ESPN didn't take those steps eight years ago is that it didn't care enough to try.

[jersey cubs fan]

if they turned the recording over to the police, what exactly did ESPN do wrong? they're a sports entertainment channel, not a branch of the justice system.

 

They had an alleged victim with a pretty good story and another potential victim who confirmed something weird happened plus a recording that revealed a hell of a lot of bad stuff was happening. They had a hell of a story that they could have easily chosen to run with.

 

But they didn't run it because ESPN is nothing but a promotional tool for institutions like Syracuse.

[imb]

Is there any way Chris Berman can lose his job for this because that would truly be a terrific outcome

[Magnetic Curses]

if they turned the recording over to the police, what exactly did ESPN do wrong? they're a sports entertainment channel, not a branch of the justice system.

 

They had an alleged victim with a pretty good story and another potential victim who confirmed something weird happened plus a recording that revealed a hell of a lot of bad stuff was happening. They had a hell of a story that they could have easily chosen to run with.

 

But they didn't run it because ESPN is nothing but a promotional tool for institutions like Syracuse.

 

pretty much exactly right.

[ConstableRabbit]

Is there any way Chris Berman can lose his job for this because that would truly be a terrific outcome

Nope because then he'd just ask for his job

 

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[Smack]

Is there any way Chris Berman can lose his job for this because that would truly be a terrific outcome

Nope because then he'd just ask for his job

 

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Lol

[wade]

Deadspin has more on Syracuse today, centered on the guy that came forward, who is also facing molestation charges. A truly wacked out story.

 

Plus, that 'orangeyougladididn'tsay' guy was a troll, right? I don't think the post was serious since it mentioned donating to the library, etc.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://deadspin.com/5865932/the-case-against-bernie-fine-is-falling-apart

 

Doesn't look like Fine will face charges. I really have to question the rationale behind statutes of limitation for sexual abuse of minors.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I really have to question the rationale behind statutes of limitation for sexual abuse of minors.

 

its insane. survivors of this type of abuse should be allowed to take their damn time with coming forward. putting limitations on it is asinine and byzantine. it protects molesters due to the extreme stress the abuse puts on the victims.