Trading Soriano

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Of course, if they trade Soriano, then the Cubs don't have anything resembling a starting LF.

 

those are easier to come by

 

Easier than what? DHs? That's technically true, but misses a key point about the way the Cubs field a team.

[XZero771679666304]

Rodriguez to any NL team makes no sense. He can't play the field full-time now, let alone in a few years.

 

No different than Soriano.

 

Soriano is under contract through 2014, ARod through 2017, and I'd bet the farm ARod won't be anything resembling a 3B before long. He's averaged 119 games played over the past 3 years, an increasing amount of those as a DH.

 

Soriano is coming off of a decent year, ARod is coming off five consecutive years of decline, and his OPS (since you don't like WAR for this comparison) was 40 points higher than ARod's last year (and about the same as ARod's in 2011).

 

Of course it's not likely Soriano will repeat those numbers and I would love to see him traded. But if he were traded for ARod I'd be sick to my stomach. That'd be trading one albatross for another more onerous one. I'd much rather ride out Soriano's remaining two seasons than sign on for ARod's age 39-42 years beyond that, all of which will cost more than Soriano does now.

[WrigleyField 22]

Under the inital proposal where each team basically pays the original salaries it has some merit since you could put Arod at 3B. If the cash was neutral, the added years don't matter. I'm highly skeptical something like that is even possible, or even close. But also there are two no trade clauses, and for what is worth Soriano has come to be a veteran leader in the clubhouse.

 

It also has much more merit if you have an upgrade on the table for LF via trade or FA. If we're just swapping holes (3B for LF) I'd rather go with the Valbuena/Stewart hole than the Sappelt/LaHair/Jackson hole.

 

Overall too many things have to fall into place to make this anything more than an exercise in measuring Soriano's value in the trade market.

 

 

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[XZero771679666304]

Under the inital proposal where each team basically pays the original salaries it has some merit since you could put Arod at 3B. If the cash was neutral, the added years don't matter.

 

I disregarded that part because it's fantasy. No matter how much fans hate him, I can't see the Yanks doing that. That's a ton of money to eat, even for them.

[Banedon]

Soriano is better at baseball right now than A-Rod and is well liked around the clubhouse. Would that even be a trade the Cubs would be interested in?

 

The Cubs have nothing even resembling a third baseman ready to contribute the next few years. Soriano's value comes in large part to defensive metrics, which aren't particularly reliable and don't reflect the fact that coaches working on position play a major role in that.

 

I haven't watched a ton of Cubs, much less the Yankees, but isn't A-Rod....not so good defensively at this point? Isn't that why people are saying he should go to an AL team?

[jersey cubs fan]

But if he were traded for ARod I'd be sick to my stomach.

 

That's a pretty silly thing to say.

[jersey cubs fan]

and for what is worth Soriano has come to be a veteran leader in the clubhouse.

 

What it's worth is zero.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

The irony in a Soriano for A-Rod swap makes me chuckle.

I was thinking the same thing.

[Little Slide Rooter]

5 years and 119 mill left. Personally, I don't think ARod is tradable. I can't see the new Steinbrenners paying out the cash it'd take to move him.

 

ARod for Soriano with each team paying off the contract of the guy already on their team. Yankees fans are up in arms about ARod. They hate him. More than I've ever seen.

Would Hank pay 119 mill to make him go away? That's a ton of money to send inside of 18 months.

 

Well he's going to be a replacement player in like 3 months, so...

 

That and the fact that he's already 37. If the Yankees are to eat a huge chunk of that, it will require something big in return. I can't think of any contract for contract swap that would be in any way beneficial for the other team.

[Guest]

5 years and 119 mill left. Personally, I don't think ARod is tradable. I can't see the new Steinbrenners paying out the cash it'd take to move him.

 

ARod for Soriano with each team paying off the contract of the guy already on their team. Yankees fans are up in arms about ARod. They hate him. More than I've ever seen.

Would Hank pay 119 mill to make him go away? That's a ton of money to send inside of 18 months.

 

Well he's going to be a replacement player in like 3 months, so...

 

That and the fact that he's already 37. If the Yankees are to eat a huge chunk of that, it will require something big in return. I can't think of any contract for contract swap that would be in any way beneficial for the other team.

 

I'm so glad I clicked display this post.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm so glad I clicked display this post.

 

Normally that would annoy me, but thanks for this one.

[jersey cubs fan]

From Deadspin:

[brian] Cashman vehemently denied a report by Keith Olbermann for MLB.com that said the Yankees have already discussed a deal to the Miami Marlins.

 

"I've had no discussions whatsoever with the Florida Marlins,'' Cashman said, but then again, didn't deny talks with the Miami Marlins. "I can tell you there are no discussions whatsoever, 100% false. We are not down the line on any trade talks on any of our players, including Alex.''

[WrigleyField 22]

and for what is worth Soriano has come to be a veteran leader in the clubhouse.

 

What it's worth is zero.

Nah. Doesn't mean its some irreplaceable skill, but it has value. Less and less value as guys like Castro and Rizzo hopefully become the leaders of the clubhouse, but there is some value in having a steady veteran who can show young players how to prepare and deal with the nuances of major league baseball. Now the caveat is they have to be able to play, otherwise they're just a coach. Luckily Soriano more than covered that this year.

 

 

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[Post Count Padder]

Accidentally put this in the wrong forum because I'm an idiot.

 

Alex Rodriguez would welcome a trade from the Yankees under the right circumstances, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports. Rodriguez won’t ask to be traded, but he has told close friends he won’t block a deal as long as he’s going to a large-market team.

 

Not sure how I'd feel about a Sori-ARod swap. I can't imagine the Yanks would eat his whole contract to facilitate a trade, especially when the Dodgers or Marlins might not require it. I could definitely see him going to one of those places. Someone suggested Heath Bell and Mark Buerhle as possible trade candidates in that deal.

[jersey cubs fan]

and for what is worth Soriano has come to be a veteran leader in the clubhouse.

 

What it's worth is zero.

Nah. Doesn't mean its some irreplaceable skill, but it has value. Less and less value as guys like Castro and Rizzo hopefully become the leaders of the clubhouse, but there is some value in having a steady veteran who can show young players how to prepare and deal with the nuances of major league baseball. Now the caveat is they have to be able to play, otherwise they're just a coach. Luckily Soriano more than covered that this year.

 

There is no assigned value in that, given that any veteran can do the same damn thing.

[jersey cubs fan]

Accidentally put this in the wrong forum because I'm an idiot.

 

Alex Rodriguez would welcome a trade from the Yankees under the right circumstances, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports. Rodriguez won’t ask to be traded, but he has told close friends he won’t block a deal as long as he’s going to a large-market team.

 

Not sure how I'd feel about a Sori-ARod swap. I can't imagine the Yanks would eat his whole contract to facilitate a trade, especially when the Dodgers or Marlins might not require it. I could definitely see him going to one of those places. Someone suggested Heath Bell and Mark Buerhle as possible trade candidates in that deal.

 

The Yankees need a shortstop and should get Reyes.

[WrigleyField 22]

and for what is worth Soriano has come to be a veteran leader in the clubhouse.

 

What it's worth is zero.

Nah. Doesn't mean its some irreplaceable skill, but it has value. Less and less value as guys like Castro and Rizzo hopefully become the leaders of the clubhouse, but there is some value in having a steady veteran who can show young players how to prepare and deal with the nuances of major league baseball. Now the caveat is they have to be able to play, otherwise they're just a coach. Luckily Soriano more than covered that this year.

 

There is no assigned value in that, given that any veteran can do the same damn thing.

Can any damn veteran do it while being good at baseball?

 

We're not talking about Soriano for a clear upgrade. We're talking about the swap of potentially risky assets. So intagibles like that will come into it.

 

 

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[jersey cubs fan]

We're not talking about Soriano for a clear upgrade. We're talking about the swap of potentially risky assets. So intagibles like that will come into it.

 

I'm talking about the swap of a LFer coming off a surprisingly good year for a 3B coming off a year that is going to drag down his perceived value. The Cubs are desperate for 3B help, but can more easily acquire OF help.

 

Also, Soriano's value is being good. Being good and being a veteran isn't an additional value. Reed Johnson got credit for being a gritty vet, it's the same damn thing that doesn't help the team at all in reality, but rather makes fans feel better about how horrible they are.

[Guest]

jersey has tried so hard to become anti-meatball that he has circled all the way back to meatball

[jersey cubs fan]

jersey has tried so hard to become anti-meatball that he has circled all the way back to meatball

 

that makes so much sense that it doesn't make any sense

[Sammy Sofa]

Much like this proposed trade.

[XZero771679666304]

But if he were traded for ARod I'd be sick to my stomach.

 

That's a pretty silly thing to say.

 

If the Cubs traded Soriano for ARod minus his salary over what Soriano would make this year and next (a fantasyland idea), that would be nice. Then you could just consign him to the bench or cut him when he's 40 and can't play the field anymore.

 

If the Cubs traded Soriano for ARod in a contract for contract swap (probably the only way the Yanks would do it), it would be monumentally, sickeningly stupid. No one in their right mind would do that. That'd be a ridiculous premium to pay to fill a short term need.

 

 

He might be a bit of a pariah now, but do you really think the Yankees would eat $78MM just to be rid of him? Because that's the only way it would make one iota of sense.

[jersey cubs fan]

But if he were traded for ARod I'd be sick to my stomach.

 

That's a pretty silly thing to say.

 

If the Cubs traded Soriano for ARod minus his salary over what Soriano would make this year and next (a fantasyland idea), that would be nice. Then you could just consign him to the bench or cut him when he's 40 and can't play the field anymore.

 

If the Cubs traded Soriano for ARod in a contract for contract swap (probably the only way the Yanks would do it), it would be monumentally, sickeningly stupid. No one in their right mind would do that. That'd be a ridiculous premium to pay to fill a short term need.

 

 

He might be a bit of a pariah now, but do you really think the Yankees would eat $78MM just to be rid of him? Because that's the only way it would make one iota of sense.

 

The only way they can trade him is by eating money and when the pressure builds on the Yankees to get rid of somebody, they usually do. When signing the deal in the first place they had to know there would be a huge chunk completely wasted.

[davell]

I doubt they thought it'd be half the deal though. At any rate, with his NTC, would he even accept a deal to a rebuilding team? I'm asking, not insinuating, no clue what his priorities would be. To me, the LA teams seem like the best fits for him, when everything is taken under consideration.

[XZero771679666304]

But if he were traded for ARod I'd be sick to my stomach.

 

That's a pretty silly thing to say.

 

If the Cubs traded Soriano for ARod minus his salary over what Soriano would make this year and next (a fantasyland idea), that would be nice. Then you could just consign him to the bench or cut him when he's 40 and can't play the field anymore.

 

If the Cubs traded Soriano for ARod in a contract for contract swap (probably the only way the Yanks would do it), it would be monumentally, sickeningly stupid. No one in their right mind would do that. That'd be a ridiculous premium to pay to fill a short term need.

 

 

He might be a bit of a pariah now, but do you really think the Yankees would eat $78MM just to be rid of him? Because that's the only way it would make one iota of sense.

 

The only way they can trade him is by eating money and when the pressure builds on the Yankees to get rid of somebody, they usually do. When signing the deal in the first place they had to know there would be a huge chunk completely wasted.

 

We'll see, I guess. I'm sure they knew they were effectively burning cash at the end of that contract, but I don't think the Yankees envisioned quite the decline that ARod has gone through, at least not so soon. The Yankees will eat money, but we're talking about a huge sum here.

 

But if they were inclined to do it, I would welcome such a trade.