Trading Soriano

[Little Slide Rooter]

If Soriano had signed a 6 year deal and became a FA this offseason, what kind of contract would he get, assuming he's not qualified? 2 years, 20 mill, is my guess.

 

That's a good question. There's the age factor, his knees, and the fact that whatever he's done in the OF this year, people are very skeptical about his defense. He'd be competing with Young, Cabrera, Victorino, and to a lesser extent, Hairston and Pagan each of whom are younger than he. There's also Upton and Swisher, though i think they'll be looking at bigger deals in terms of length. I don't think he'd get 2/10, but perhaps 1/10 or 2/15, perhaps with an option of some sort.

[KingCubsFan]

If Soriano had signed a 6 year deal and became a FA this offseason, what kind of contract would he get, assuming he's not qualified? 2 years, 20 mill, is my guess.

I can't see anything more than a one year deal at his age.

[AlwaysaCub]

There have been a raft of "Soriano is earning his salary this year" and "Soriano isn't that overpaid" articles floating around the web right now. This sort of reminds me of the "DLee is pure class" movement at the end of 2009 and that offseason. Next year Lee was not good with the Cubs and even Trader Jim got a subpar hall for him. This offseason is the time to trade Soriano. If Vernon Wells could be moved, and Crawford & Beckett traded in one deal, he can be exchanged for some value.

[Sammy Sofa]

All of those players were younger than Soriano is now by at least 4 years when they were traded. Plus there are actually other options out there when it comes to OF FA, even with the FA class being pretty crappy overall. It's not that it's impossible to trade him, but it seems many are overstating how easy they think it is and how much the Cubs could get back.

[Little Slide Rooter]

At this point, if we can't get at least 2 quality prospects or players (I know, it's a broad spectrum) whilst eating 90+% of his salary, I say keep him and maybe shop DeJesus, Barney, and Wood. Spend on pitching, acquire another OF bat, and hope for the best from Stewart, Jackson, and Castillo. The NL is pretty weak overall, and with 3 playoff spots to work with, there's no reason to go into another season with a lose now mentality.

 

As horrible as the Cubs have looked in their recent sprint to 100 losses, it's been with one of the worst rotations in the history of organized baseball since Shark was shut down.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wait, what? You don't want them to go into next season expecting to lose, but you also want them to trade Soriano, DeJesus, Barney and Wood? Those guys aren't getting you good MLB-ready prospects in return.

[davell]

I can see DeJesus moved at the deadline next year. Considering we've seen reports that only mention Shark and Garza as locks for next years rotation, I could see Wood dealt, I guess. Right now though, I think that Barney and Soriano stay put.

[Irrelevant Dude]

This offseason is the time to trade Soriano. If Vernon Wells could be moved, and Crawford & Beckett traded in one deal, he can be exchanged for some value.

I have never been the biggest Soriano fan, but I just don't see the need to trade him at this point. He is still a productive player and it is pretty clear that nobody is going to offer much value for him. The Cubs have plenty of money to spend and don't have any young LF prospects who are being blocked, so the value that Soriano can provide on the field is likely higher than what they could ever get in a trade. If he has another good season, maybe someone will sweeten the pot at the trade deadline, but if not the Cubs might as well pencil him in the lineup for at least 1 more year. As bad as this team is currently, I can't imagine how much worse they would be without Soriano's offensive production (and even his defense) in LF.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Wait, what? You don't want them to go into next season expecting to lose, but you also want them to trade Soriano, DeJesus, Barney and Wood? Those guys aren't getting you good MLB-ready prospects in return.

 

I said at this point I'd only want to move Soriano IF we were getting something of actual quality, and only move DeJesus if we can't.

 

Barney depends on whether or not anyone would value his D enough to give up something of real value. Maybe if we were to bundle him with Vogelbach, Hernandez, or Amaya, we could get a quality pitching prospect.

 

If we could have a top 4 of Garza, Shields/Haren, Shark, McCarthy/Marcum/Sanchez, then I'd certainly shop Wood for the right return and chance some combination of Volstad/Raley/Rusin/Struck for a 5 starter, and hope that Vizcaino is ready to take over for them by mid 2013-early 2014.

[toonsterwu]

I can see DeJesus moved at the deadline next year. Considering we've seen reports that only mention Shark and Garza as locks for next years rotation, I could see Wood dealt, I guess. Right now though, I think that Barney and Soriano stay put.

 

My guess is DeJesus is with us to start 2013 ... but it wouldn't really stun me if a team came calling and offered a decent deal for a capable top of the order type hitter like DeJesus, with the thinking that it would be safer than spending multiple years on a weak FA. For example ... the Orioles have the returning Reimold, who is 29 and has been banged up quite a bit, and McLouth as a FA. They did well with Markakis as a leadoff option this year, but if McLouth gets too pricey ... I wonder if they might consider it.

 

I guess, I'm thinking in my head that DeJesus might look like a nice option to some of the FA's out there. Hard to know how the trade market will shape up, though ... and hard to know if the Cubs would move DeJesus on a simply decent deal, or if they value his value to the team next year, as a veteran who can get on base, such that they would hope for something more than decent (and obviously, using the word decent without expanding on it makes it hard to really make a judgment on anything I've said here ... so taking a specific example ... what if they got a Baker-type deal this offseason, getting a Carreno type arm in return? I wonder if they would do it ... I'd certainly consider it)

[jersey cubs fan]

So Soriano for Arod is coming down the pipe.

[ctcf]

So Soriano for Arod is coming down the pipe.

 

Which pipe?

[jersey cubs fan]

So Soriano for Arod is coming down the pipe.

 

Which pipe?

 

The "Arod is persona non grata in NY now so he's on the chopping block" pipe.

[davell]

5 years and 119 mill left. Personally, I don't think ARod is tradable. I can't see the new Steinbrenners paying out the cash it'd take to move him.

[jersey cubs fan]

5 years and 119 mill left. Personally, I don't think ARod is tradable. I can't see the new Steinbrenners paying out the cash it'd take to move him.

 

ARod for Soriano with each team paying off the contract of the guy already on their team. Yankees fans are up in arms about ARod. They hate him. More than I've ever seen.

[davell]

5 years and 119 mill left. Personally, I don't think ARod is tradable. I can't see the new Steinbrenners paying out the cash it'd take to move him.

 

ARod for Soriano with each team paying off the contract of the guy already on their team. Yankees fans are up in arms about ARod. They hate him. More than I've ever seen.

Would Hank pay 119 mill to make him go away? That's a ton of money to send inside of 18 months.

[SouthSideRyan]

5 years and 119 mill left. Personally, I don't think ARod is tradable. I can't see the new Steinbrenners paying out the cash it'd take to move him.

 

ARod for Soriano with each team paying off the contract of the guy already on their team. Yankees fans are up in arms about ARod. They hate him. More than I've ever seen.

Would Hank pay 119 mill to make him go away? That's a ton of money to send inside of 18 months.

 

Well he's going to be a replacement player in like 3 months, so...

[davell]

Damn, evidently the Marlins and Yanks have talked about a Bell for ARod swap.

[Banedon]

Soriano is better at baseball right now than A-Rod and is well liked around the clubhouse. Would that even be a trade the Cubs would be interested in?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Rodriguez to any NL team makes no sense. He can't play the field full-time now, let alone in a few years.

[jersey cubs fan]

Soriano is better at baseball right now than A-Rod and is well liked around the clubhouse. Would that even be a trade the Cubs would be interested in?

 

The Cubs have nothing even resembling a third baseman ready to contribute the next few years. Soriano's value comes in large part to defensive metrics, which aren't particularly reliable and don't reflect the fact that coaches working on position play a major role in that.

[jersey cubs fan]

Rodriguez to any NL team makes no sense. He can't play the field full-time now, let alone in a few years.

 

No different than Soriano.

[El Duderino]

Of course, if they trade Soriano, then the Cubs don't have anything resembling a starting LF.

[jersey cubs fan]

Of course, if they trade Soriano, then the Cubs don't have anything resembling a starting LF.

 

those are easier to come by

[Clem Fandango]

The irony in a Soriano for A-Rod swap makes me chuckle.