Game #12 KC Chiefs @ CHICAGO BEARS 1:00 PM

[jersey cubs fan]

Dan Pompei was theorizing this morning on The Score that if Martz leaves, that they may make Mike Tice the OC in order to maintain some level of stability.

 

Yeah, I've heard that. Don't really know what his qualifications are. Does Martz just say, "here's my playbook". Not sure how this would work.

 

He's been a tight ends coach, offensive line coach, tight ends coach, head coach, assistant head coach and now line coach again. I think he's probably qualified in the general sense, but I fear he'd run a dumbed down version of this scheme and isn't very imaginative, or bright for that matter. Actually, he'd probably be more to Lovie's liking consisidering his history. I'd much rather prefer the guy who could be the next head coach (the next Sean Payton as raw said and as we said last time this position was available).

[Banedon]

Dan Pompei was theorizing this morning on The Score that if Martz leaves, that they may make Mike Tice the OC in order to maintain some level of stability.

 

Yeah, I've heard that. Don't really know what his qualifications are. Does Martz just say, "here's my playbook". Not sure how this would work.

 

Yeah, unfortunately I didn't hear the whole conversation, so I'm not sure if this was addressed in any way.

[Guest]

Besides ASU, now apparently UCLA has contacted Martz (ugh). Supposedly, Martz would like to get back to the West Coast.

 

What's he doing? Sending everyone copies of his portfolio?

[jersey cubs fan]

It looks like the Bears are down to 7 point favorites after opening at 9 and settling at 8 for a while. Must be a fair amount of money going against Hanie right now.

[jersey cubs fan]

Besides ASU, now apparently UCLA has contacted Martz (ugh). Supposedly, Martz would like to get back to the West Coast.

 

What's he doing? Sending everyone copies of his portfolio?

 

Any coach in his position would be talked about for these types of positions. Coaches with NFL experience (and success) have a lot of cache in college, especially at secondary programs like these two. I fully expected him to be here for just a couple years before taking a head gig somewhere and the lack of an extension solidified that feeling.

[cubweiser03]

Dan Pompei was theorizing this morning on The Score that if Martz leaves, that they may make Mike Tice the OC in order to maintain some level of stability.

 

Yeah, I've heard that. Don't really know what his qualifications are. Does Martz just say, "here's my playbook". Not sure how this would work.

 

He's been a tight ends coach, offensive line coach, tight ends coach, head coach, assistant head coach and now line coach again. I think he's probably qualified in the general sense, but I fear he'd run a dumbed down version of this scheme and isn't very imaginative, or bright for that matter. Actually, he'd probably be more to Lovie's liking consisidering his history. I'd much rather prefer the guy who could be the next head coach (the next Sean Payton as raw said and as we said last time this position was available).

 

Exactly he'd probably use the other end of that pencil he carries to dumb down this offense. Keep him at line coach. Cutler is old enough and talented enough to adapt to another system, he is not a 'system' qb.

[Guest]

Besides ASU, now apparently UCLA has contacted Martz (ugh). Supposedly, Martz would like to get back to the West Coast.

 

What's he doing? Sending everyone copies of his portfolio?

 

Any coach in his position would be talked about for these types of positions. Coaches with NFL experience (and success) have a lot of cache in college, especially at secondary programs like these two. I fully expected him to be here for just a couple years before taking a head gig somewhere and the lack of an extension solidified that feeling.

 

Oh, I know. It was just a throw away line as if it's the offseason and he doesn't need to be spending as much time as possible getting Hanie ready for the Chiefs this Sunday.

[rawaction]

Dan Pompei was theorizing this morning on The Score that if Martz leaves, that they may make Mike Tice the OC in order to maintain some level of stability.

 

Yeah, I've heard that. Don't really know what his qualifications are. Does Martz just say, "here's my playbook". Not sure how this would work.

 

He's been a tight ends coach, offensive line coach, tight ends coach, head coach, assistant head coach and now line coach again. I think he's probably qualified in the general sense, but I fear he'd run a dumbed down version of this scheme and isn't very imaginative, or bright for that matter. Actually, he'd probably be more to Lovie's liking consisidering his history. I'd much rather prefer the guy who could be the next head coach (the next Sean Payton as raw said and as we said last time this position was available).

 

Well, that brings up another issue too. Lovie and crew are still 1 bad season away from getting the axe, IMO. Do you risk starting from scratch this year, going 7-9 next year, and then needing an entire new coaching staff the year after?

 

I definitely don't want Tice as OC, unless it's only as a figurehead like Lovie as DC. But I don't really want to start over just yet.

[Magnetic Curses]

martz is the architect of his offense, i don't want anyone running it except for him. if he's gone, so is the scheme. i have never heard of anyone else running the exact scheme that martz does, anyway, have you?

 

get cutler in the shotgun, let him survey the field and use his brain a little bit.

[jersey cubs fan]

martz is the architect of his offense, i don't want anyone running it except for him. if he's gone, so is the scheme. i have never heard of anyone else running the exact scheme that martz does, anyway, have you?

 

get cutler in the shotgun, let him survey the field and use his brain a little bit.

 

They thought Terry Shea could essentially run it before. Not a good idea.

[jersey cubs fan]

Oh, I know. It was just a throw away line as if it's the offseason and he doesn't need to be spending as much time as possible getting Hanie ready for the Chiefs this Sunday.

 

It comes with the territory though, this is the point in time when coaches express interest in their next job and organizations start looking at current coaches. It doesn't take much time to send out the proverbial resume. Just let your agent know you have interest and go back and coach your guys.

[Magnetic Curses]

martz is the architect of his offense, i don't want anyone running it except for him. if he's gone, so is the scheme. i have never heard of anyone else running the exact scheme that martz does, anyway, have you?

 

get cutler in the shotgun, let him survey the field and use his brain a little bit.

 

They thought Terry Shea could essentially run it before. Not a good idea.

 

good call, i forgot about shea.

[Guest]

So is McCown #2 on the depth chart at this point and how quick of a hook will Lovie have if Hanie struggles out of the gate? He seemed to settle down a little in the second half.

[UMFan83]

Now really sure how Martz managed to revive his career with the Bears. I mean it hasn't been a disaster, and he's working with less than optimal talent, but nothing he's done here, to me at least, screams "I deserve another chance at head coaching" Prior to taking this job, I got the impression that his career was at an all time low and it was almost a favor that we hired him.

[jersey cubs fan]

So is McCown #2 on the depth chart at this point and how quick of a hook will Lovie have if Hanie struggles out of the gate? He seemed to settle down a little in the second half.

 

I'm guessing McCown will be #2 by week's end but there won't be an announcement for a couple days. And I'm guessing the hook won't be that quick unless he absolutely chits the bed early.

[Magnetic Curses]

yeah, they won't throw enderle out there if they can avoid it. i just don't like the idea of going with another bad retread like mccown, we know he's bad, everyone knows he's bad, please don't pull hanie for this guy.

[jersey cubs fan]

Now really sure how Martz managed to revive his career with the Bears. I mean it hasn't been a disaster, and he's working with less than optimal talent, but nothing he's done here, to me at least, screams "I deserve another chance at head coaching" Prior to taking this job, I got the impression that his career was at an all time low and it was almost a favor that we hired him.

 

Dennis Erickson was a disaster of an NFL coach and yet still was welcomes back to college with open arms. Butch Davis was a joke in the NFL and got a job right away in the college. There are over 100 college positions in addition to 32 NFL head jobs, and there aren't 100 quality head coaches. There alway's going to be room for a guy who won as many games as Martz won as an NFL head coach, not to mention a guy who ran a big time offense that won a Super Bowl. He has a 53-32 record as an NFL head coach and he was involved in multiple championship game teams. I'm not sure why you would think he'd never coach again. His resume is as good as 95% of coaches out there.

[Formerly Snayke]

It was a common belief after Martz was fired by the Rams in '06 that he would be going back to college where he could be as crazy and imaginitive as he wanted. I think he should get another shot in the NFL and would welcome him back to St. Louis in a heartbeat, but I think his reputation has (wrongly) disqualified him from getting another shot.

[Banedon]

Dan Pompei was theorizing this morning on The Score that if Martz leaves, that they may make Mike Tice the OC in order to maintain some level of stability.

 

Yeah, I've heard that. Don't really know what his qualifications are. Does Martz just say, "here's my playbook". Not sure how this would work.

 

He's been a tight ends coach, offensive line coach, tight ends coach, head coach, assistant head coach and now line coach again. I think he's probably qualified in the general sense, but I fear he'd run a dumbed down version of this scheme and isn't very imaginative, or bright for that matter. Actually, he'd probably be more to Lovie's liking consisidering his history. I'd much rather prefer the guy who could be the next head coach (the next Sean Payton as raw said and as we said last time this position was available).

 

Well, that brings up another issue too. Lovie and crew are still 1 bad season away from getting the axe, IMO. Do you risk starting from scratch this year, going 7-9 next year, and then needing an entire new coaching staff the year after?

 

I definitely don't want Tice as OC, unless it's only as a figurehead like Lovie as DC. But I don't really want to start over just yet.

 

Hmm...I disagree about Lovie being anywhere near the hot seat. He's had his ups and downs, but he manages to take teams that experts don't think belong near the top of the league and keeps them playing hard, and really, beyond the level that most think they should be playing. I can see an argument for Angelo being on the hot seat, but I think Lovie's pretty safe, actually.

[apete6]

Dan Pompei was theorizing this morning on The Score that if Martz leaves, that they may make Mike Tice the OC in order to maintain some level of stability.

 

Yeah, I've heard that. Don't really know what his qualifications are. Does Martz just say, "here's my playbook". Not sure how this would work.

 

He's been a tight ends coach, offensive line coach, tight ends coach, head coach, assistant head coach and now line coach again. I think he's probably qualified in the general sense, but I fear he'd run a dumbed down version of this scheme and isn't very imaginative, or bright for that matter. Actually, he'd probably be more to Lovie's liking consisidering his history. I'd much rather prefer the guy who could be the next head coach (the next Sean Payton as raw said and as we said last time this position was available).

 

Well, that brings up another issue too. Lovie and crew are still 1 bad season away from getting the axe, IMO. Do you risk starting from scratch this year, going 7-9 next year, and then needing an entire new coaching staff the year after?

 

I definitely don't want Tice as OC, unless it's only as a figurehead like Lovie as DC. But I don't really want to start over just yet.

 

Hmm...I disagree about Lovie being anywhere near the hot seat. He's had his ups and downs, but he manages to take teams that experts don't think belong near the top of the league and keeps them playing hard, and really, beyond the level that most think they should be playing. I can see an argument for Angelo being on the hot seat, but I think Lovie's pretty safe, actually.

 

Completely agree. Lovie's only underachieving season based on the talent on the roster was the one after the Super Bowl. Even that year, there was some weirdness, especially with the Rex stuff (he was bad, but benched after 3 or 4 games, really?).

 

Also, that was the year where, outside of Olsen, they got absolutely nothing from the draft (thanks, Jerry) and traded their best offensive player from the season before (Thomas Jones) for no apparent reason outside of trying to justify the overdrafting of Ced Benson, lost Mike Brown in the 1st game of the year, and lost a lot of close games with weird things happening.

 

By and large, Lovie has overachieved as the coach and Jerry has underachieved as the GM. I think Lovie will continue that by making the playoffs without Cutler. The first step in that is beating a terrible Chiefs team at home.

[Magnetic Curses]

It was a common belief after Martz was fired by the Rams in '06 that he would be going back to college where he could be as crazy and imaginitive as he wanted. I think he should get another shot in the NFL and would welcome him back to St. Louis in a heartbeat, but I think his reputation has (wrongly) disqualified him from getting another shot.

 

yeah, it's not his resume that's the issue, it's his ability to piss anyone and everyone off.

 

he's a czar, and if he'd won a super bowl as a head coach, he may have more leeway, like a parcells, but he didn't.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well, that brings up another issue too. Lovie and crew are still 1 bad season away from getting the axe, IMO. Do you risk starting from scratch this year, going 7-9 next year, and then needing an entire new coaching staff the year after?

 

I definitely don't want Tice as OC, unless it's only as a figurehead like Lovie as DC. But I don't really want to start over just yet.

 

Hmm...I disagree about Lovie being anywhere near the hot seat. He's had his ups and downs, but he manages to take teams that experts don't think belong near the top of the league and keeps them playing hard, and really, beyond the level that most think they should be playing. I can see an argument for Angelo being on the hot seat, but I think Lovie's pretty safe, actually.

 

Well I kind of think raw is right that he's one bad season away from the ax, but 7-9 isn't going to do it. 4-12 could cost him his job, but simply changing offensive systems shouldn't cause them to take such a step back.

[jersey cubs fan]

It was a common belief after Martz was fired by the Rams in '06 that he would be going back to college where he could be as crazy and imaginitive as he wanted. I think he should get another shot in the NFL and would welcome him back to St. Louis in a heartbeat, but I think his reputation has (wrongly) disqualified him from getting another shot.

 

yeah, it's not his resume that's the issue, it's his ability to piss anyone and everyone off.

 

he's a czar, and if he'd won a super bowl as a head coach, he may have more leeway, like a parcells, but he didn't.

 

czars play well in the academic world

[Banedon]

Well, that brings up another issue too. Lovie and crew are still 1 bad season away from getting the axe, IMO. Do you risk starting from scratch this year, going 7-9 next year, and then needing an entire new coaching staff the year after?

 

I definitely don't want Tice as OC, unless it's only as a figurehead like Lovie as DC. But I don't really want to start over just yet.

 

Hmm...I disagree about Lovie being anywhere near the hot seat. He's had his ups and downs, but he manages to take teams that experts don't think belong near the top of the league and keeps them playing hard, and really, beyond the level that most think they should be playing. I can see an argument for Angelo being on the hot seat, but I think Lovie's pretty safe, actually.

 

Well I kind of think raw is right that he's one bad season away from the ax, but 7-9 isn't going to do it. 4-12 could cost him his job, but simply changing offensive systems shouldn't cause them to take such a step back.

 

Ok, I can agree with that. Bears have never been that bad under Lovie though.

[jersey cubs fan]

Ok, I can agree with that. Bears have never been that bad under Lovie though.

 

5-11 in year one and two 7-9 seasons. Lovie generally gets the most out of the guys. He's just struggled to make the team great (despite having the defense great for 2 years) and he's a bad personel guy. Remember, he had more power in the post Super Bowl offseason, including the draft.