Game #12 KC Chiefs @ CHICAGO BEARS 1:00 PM

[minnesotacubsfan]

especially when the opposing D had been completely keyed on the screen plays all day.

[scarey]

especially when the opposing D had been completely keyed on the screen plays all day.

 

That doesn't matter though. If two people do their jobs correctly (Hanie throwing the ball on a line and Williams blocking the linebacker) then that play works. This is Monday morning QBing. The only reason the play call sucks is because it was not executed well.

 

Your claim that you don't put your QB in that difficult position can be dispelled by the first Hanie TD. They are in an obvious blitzing down (3rd and 8 in the redzone) and the Bears go 4 WR. Forte is the only extra blocker left in to block for basically a rookie QB. If Hanie doesn't make the hot read and hits Knox for a TD, he likely gets sacked and everyone makes a big deal about how it was a bad play call and that Martz needs to put extra blockers in for Hanie. As it turned out, nobody mentions the play selection. Hanie was expected to perform and he did.

 

Again, if Hanie and Williams execute that play well, Davis gets the ball with two blockers in front of him and a good chance to score. We wouldn't hear anything about the play call. Martz probably even gets credit for a good play call if they score.

 

EDIT: Actually, I'm wrong, you do need to take into account that the Raiders were doing well against the screen when you make the play call. However, I'm not sure that was the case at this point in the game and also, the play is designed to misdirect the defense. And it did.

[jersey cubs fan]

especially when the opposing D had been completely keyed on the screen plays all day.

 

That doesn't matter though. If two people do their jobs correctly (Hanie throwing the ball on a line and Williams blocking the linebacker) then that play works. This is Monday morning QBing. The only reason the play call sucks is because it was not executed well.

 

No, it is not. It was an idiotic call for that time and place on the field with far too many moving parts. It was the epitome of being too cute when the Bears should not have been cute. You had a QB playing really poorly and throwing the ball to the opposition and you asked him to do something you shouldn't have asked him to do. It was dumb and it is pointless to try and pretend it's only hindsight.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'll admit, I absolutely hate short pass plays in the flats. they go for way too many pic-6's then they ever seem worth. I just would have much rather just kept pounding Barber, and if we had to settle for a FG, so be it. the momentum of the game was swinging our way at that point.

[scarey]

You had a QB playing really poorly and throwing the ball to the opposition

 

Ok, so I assume you were a person that was in favor of a run there? Assume they pick up 3 or 4 yards and 1st down. They have to spike the ball and there's about 25 seconds left on the clock and second down.

 

At this point, everone knows the Bears have to try and throw it to try and score. You want a QB that was playing poorly and throwing the ball to the oposition to try and throw for a TD on the 8 yard line? Or do you want to try and sneak in an easy opportunity on a high percentage screen play?

 

This video sucks, but this is exactly how that play is supposed to work... and it's Brandon freaking Manumaleuna doing it.

 

 

Do you see how easy that is? I could have made that throw. Heck, Todd Collins could have even made that throw.

 

You have to tip your cap to the Raiders for being in a good position, be disappointed in the lack of execution, and yes second guess the play call. Just don't forget the first two and totally emphasize the play call.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'll admit, I absolutely hate short pass plays in the flats. they go for way too many pic-6's then they ever seem worth. I just would have much rather just kept pounding Barber, and if we had to settle for a FG, so be it. the momentum of the game was swinging our way at that point.

 

And it wasn't just a pass into the flat. It was a very slowly developing play with the QB rolling out and looking to his right, backing up 10 yards and allowing (by design) pressure in his face, and a guy standing around waiting for the ball. He has very little chance to see where he's throwing, as it's designed to turn and throw without really knowing where the coverage is. You basically assume a guy is open. As for the guard not blocking the DB/LB, he basically didn't have a chance to make that block. When he turned back from the line the other guy was 4 yards away and three steps to his side. He was a smaller faster player sprinting into the backfield. There was no chance for him to block the guy and so he looked to go to the next level. It was a poorly time play call that was poorly executed in large part by a QB who was playing poorly. You don't call that play there.

[Theo]

I'm with Jersey, it was an incredibly stupid play call. They tried a very similar call earlier in the year with Cutler. And he either overthrew Kellen Davis, or Davis didn't run out the route correctly, but if you even have trouble running it with a seasoned QB like Cutler, why tried it in a compressed field with a neophyte at QB? The degree of diffuculty on that play is incredbily high. That was a 6 point swing right there and made the difference in the game. Just and absurd play call and no way to defend it.

[jersey cubs fan]

Ok, so I assume you were a person that was in favor of a run there? Assume they pick up 3 or 4 yards and 1st down. They have to spike the ball and there's about 25 seconds left on the clock and second down.

 

A run, or preferably a safer pass over the middle and/or in a only we can catch it spot. Basically nothing risky. You settle for the FG at that point and go into the half ecstatic.

 

It was an idiotic play call and it's really stupid to pretend that it monday morning quarterbacking. It was exactly the type of thing I didn't want them doing at the time of the play, not the next day.

 

Also, according to the video of this play the Bears had a timeout available. There was no need to spike it. But if they end up 1st and goal from the 4 there's still plenty of time to try and throw 2 relatively safe pass plays and then kick.

[scarey]

Ok, so I assume you were a person that was in favor of a run there? Assume they pick up 3 or 4 yards and 1st down. They have to spike the ball and there's about 25 seconds left on the clock and second down.

 

A run, or preferably a safer pass over the middle and/or in a only we can catch it spot. Basically nothing risky. You settle for the FG at that point and go into the half ecstatic.

 

It was an idiotic play call and it's really stupid to pretend that it monday morning quarterbacking. It was exactly the type of thing I didn't want them doing at the time of the play, not the next day.

 

Also, according to the video of this play the Bears had a timeout available. There was no need to spike it. But if they end up 1st and goal from the 4 there's still plenty of time to try and throw 2 relatively safe pass plays and then kick.

 

You have to save the timeout for the absolute last seconds to ensure you can stop the clock to kick a field goal. They run the ball and call a timeout then get sacked trying to score, then no FG.

[jersey cubs fan]

You have to save the timeout for the absolute last seconds to ensure you can stop the clock to kick a field goal. They run the ball and call a timeout then get sacked trying to score, then no FG.

 

You don't have to save the time out. You have 25 seconds and 2-3 plays where you throw it into the end zone, so it's either TD or incomplete and the clock stops.

 

 

 

 

Regardless, stop pretending it wasn't an idiotic play call on a tight field with 30 seconds remaining and a careless QB at the helm. You call that play on the 50, not the 6.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Ok, so I assume you were a person that was in favor of a run there? Assume they pick up 3 or 4 yards and 1st down. They have to spike the ball and there's about 25 seconds left on the clock and second down.

 

A run, or preferably a safer pass over the middle and/or in a only we can catch it spot. Basically nothing risky. You settle for the FG at that point and go into the half ecstatic.

 

It was an idiotic play call and it's really stupid to pretend that it monday morning quarterbacking. It was exactly the type of thing I didn't want them doing at the time of the play, not the next day.

 

Also, according to the video of this play the Bears had a timeout available. There was no need to spike it. But if they end up 1st and goal from the 4 there's still plenty of time to try and throw 2 relatively safe pass plays and then kick.

 

You have to save the timeout for the absolute last seconds to ensure you can stop the clock to kick a field goal. They run the ball and call a timeout then get sacked trying to score, then no FG.

 

 

what the hell are you talking about? Hanie threw an INT and Oakland still had time for 2 plays and a FG try. there was PLENTY of time for a run play, possibly 2.

[scarey]

You have to save the timeout for the absolute last seconds to ensure you can stop the clock to kick a field goal. They run the ball and call a timeout then get sacked trying to score, then no FG.

 

You don't have to save the time out. You have 25 seconds and 2-3 plays where you throw it into the end zone, so it's either TD or incomplete and the clock stops.

 

 

 

 

Regardless, stop pretending it wasn't an idiotic play call on a tight field with 30 seconds remaining and a careless QB at the helm. You call that play on the 50, not the 6.

 

 

There's no pretending. I genuinely think it was a decent play call to sneak a TD in, just that it was poorly executed. I also genuinely think it was going to be very difficult to get the ball in the endzone given the time constraints and ability of the QB. It was also a great play by Curry.

[scarey]

Ok, so I assume you were a person that was in favor of a run there? Assume they pick up 3 or 4 yards and 1st down. They have to spike the ball and there's about 25 seconds left on the clock and second down.

 

A run, or preferably a safer pass over the middle and/or in a only we can catch it spot. Basically nothing risky. You settle for the FG at that point and go into the half ecstatic.

 

It was an idiotic play call and it's really stupid to pretend that it monday morning quarterbacking. It was exactly the type of thing I didn't want them doing at the time of the play, not the next day.

 

Also, according to the video of this play the Bears had a timeout available. There was no need to spike it. But if they end up 1st and goal from the 4 there's still plenty of time to try and throw 2 relatively safe pass plays and then kick.

 

You have to save the timeout for the absolute last seconds to ensure you can stop the clock to kick a field goal. They run the ball and call a timeout then get sacked trying to score, then no FG.

 

 

what the hell are you talking about? Hanie threw an INT and Oakland still had time for 2 plays and a FG try. there was PLENTY of time for a run play, possibly 2.

 

The Raiders also had two timeouts, one of which they also saved just in case Bush wasn't able to get out of bounds on that last play before they kicked the FG.

[minnesotacubsfan]

watch the play again, it shifts EVERYONE to the right with Davis to the left, and Hanie hast to run back to his right 8 yards, turn and throw it across the field to Davis. That pay has no [expletive] business in any playbook where defense players can run faster then 5.5 40 yrd. Add to it Hanie threw it off his back foot off balance and across his body.

 

jesus christ I wouldn't even call that play with Cutler in at QB AND we were at the 50 trd line. THE WHOLE OFFENSE except maybe 2 guys are on the WRONG side of the field headed the WRONG way, so if it does get picked, its going the other way in a BIG hurry, and very little chance to stop them. Louis made the play of the game running him down.

 

hell, I wouldnt call the play with AARON RODGERS. its stupid. and Hanie botched the execution.

[minnesotacubsfan]

IM PISSED

 

 

lol. God we have to beat KC.

[Guest]

watch the play again, it shifts EVERYONE to the right with Davis to the left, and Hanie hast to run back to his right 8 yards, turn and throw it across the field to Davis. That pay has no [expletive] business in any playbook where defense players can run faster then 5.5 40 yrd. Add to it Hanie threw it off his back foot off balance and across his body.

 

jesus christ I wouldn't even call that play with Cutler in at QB AND we were at the 50 trd line. THE WHOLE OFFENSE except maybe 2 guys are on the WRONG side of the field headed the WRONG way, so if it does get picked, its going the other way in a BIG hurry, and very little chance to stop them. Louis made the play of the game running him down.

 

hell, I wouldnt call the play with AARON RODGERS. its stupid. and Hanie botched the execution.

 

Yep. You look for someone in the endzone and you throw it out of the endzone if no one is open. It really is that simple. And you most certainly could have run a running play there. If you don't get in, spike it on the next play and bring in the field goal team if time is running out. The absolute most important thing that needed to happen was to put points on the board. That was a 6 point swing and the Bears lost by 5.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The Raiders also had two timeouts, one of which they also saved just in case Bush wasn't able to get out of bounds on that last play before they kicked the FG.

 

so what, they blew nearly 20 seconds returning the int and still got 2 plays in before the fg. there was time to run at least 1 run play, possibly 2 and call a to to kick the fg.

[jersey cubs fan]

So anyways, this is a must win if they hope to make the playoffs.

[Magnetic Curses]

i hate must-wins

[minnesotacubsfan]

so, the Sun Times "10 Observations" has this:

 

6. The Chiefs' 27th-ranked offense (304 yards per game) will be the first offense the Bears have faced this season ranked in the bottom 10 in the NFL. Nine of the Bears' 11 games have been against offenses ranked in the top 12.

 

 

thats interesting.

 

also:

 

8. The bright side: Caleb Hanie combined for 304 total yards (254 passing, 50 rushing) as the Bears had a season-high 401 total yards Sunday. Jay Cutler's best total yardage games are 313 vs. the Packers and 312 vs. the Falcons.

[Soul]

The Hanie yardage total is definitely interesting. Just cut down the turnovers.

[Butterscup1679666578]

bears 31 chiefs 10

[minnesotacubsfan]

bears 31 chiefs 10

 

the Prodigal Son returns

[Guest]

Wasn't Hanie's numbers propped up a little bit with quality YAC?

[minnesotacubsfan]

also a 40 yrd ++ throw to Knox. who cares, they piled the yards up they just made dumb mistakes.