Game #12 KC Chiefs @ CHICAGO BEARS 1:00 PM

[Magnetic Curses]

this means John Shoop will be back

 

It would be nice to upgrade from Martz but I absolutely have no faith in Angelo/Lovie hiring a better offensive coach.

 

what about the packers quarterbacks coach again?

 

 

sounds like a great candidate. would angelo interview him, and would the packers let angelo interview him?

 

i think cutler would excel in that type of offense. man, i hope it's possible. the packers denied them access this time, but would they do it again?

[Mark Priors Calves]

John Clayon tweeted that Martz might be in consideration for the Jags HC.

[Rex Buckingham]

John Clayon tweeted that Martz might be in consideration for the Jags HC.

 

pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

[JonJayCutler]

Hilarious seeing everyone wanting Martz' head fresh off a loss that included a questionable goal-line screen call. Do you really think another coach could get more out of this horrible line and WR group? Doubtful.

 

We had a good thing going with Cutler, he got hurt, the new QB isn't as good. Calling for a new OC isn't the solution.

[SpongeWorthy]

If Reid gets canned Mohrinweg could be an interesting OC candidate too.

[Theo]

I prefer we go after a coordinator from the Air Coryell tree, so Cutler and the receivers can maintain the basic concepts.

[rawaction]

Hilarious seeing everyone wanting Martz' head fresh off a loss that included a questionable goal-line screen call. Do you really think another coach could get more out of this horrible line and WR group? Doubtful.

 

We had a good thing going with Cutler, he got hurt, the new QB isn't as good. Calling for a new OC isn't the solution.

 

Honestly? YES. It took Cutler getting sacked 56 times in the regular season, leaving the game before the Superbowl with an injury, and 2 crappy showings in Week 2 and 3 on offense for Martz to finally start to protect his QB. He still makes questionable play calls. He still gets set in his ways and it hurts the team. I think the lack of talent on the Bears offense is severely overstated. I know it's not the Saints OL or Packers skilled position players on the roster, but the Bears have some young talent on offense. Cutler's the only elite talent, but Forte, Bennett, and Knox are fine players and would be contributors on any NFL team. The OL doesn't have any stars but Williams, Carimi and Spencer were all 1st round picks, Williams changed positions and played pretty well. Louis was a great find and has played strong all year. Webb was a late pick, but he's not short of talent being a former freshman starting OT for U of Texas.

 

I just don't know that Martz is using all his players to the best of his ability. Obviously he wasn't with Olsen. He's not with Hester. May not even be with Cutler (having him in the pocket constantly). Of course, the next OC will probably be a Martz disciple or someone that won't change the offense too much....which would be fine if certain things were tweaked.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I don't think you can blame Martz for the offensive line, that was a Angelo f-up.

 

I wouldn't mind an amoeba-type offense (aka NE), but I hate the idea of Cutler learning one more scheme. I like the Coryell type, its fun to watch when it works.

[JonJayCutler]

Cutler's the only elite talent, but Forte, Bennett, and Knox are fine players

 

You made some good points just now, but this I could not ignore. How is Forte merely a "fine" player? He's more elite than Cutler is, and I'm a very pro-Cutler person. Now I might buy that Cutler is more valuable to his team than Forte is, but that's an entirely different argument.

[scarey]

As much as I'll defend that misdirection screen, I wouldn't shed a tear if Martz moved on.

[Guest]

I'd love to be rid of Martz. There should be a few better options out there.

[Soul]

Sure, it would be nice but we're in the middle of a season here. Nothing would happen mid-stream. I'll think about this in 2012, when our season is over.

[Banedon]

Hilarious seeing everyone wanting Martz' head fresh off a loss that included a questionable goal-line screen call. Do you really think another coach could get more out of this horrible line and WR group? Doubtful.

 

We had a good thing going with Cutler, he got hurt, the new QB isn't as good. Calling for a new OC isn't the solution.

 

Martz has done a better job than Ron Turner ever did, I'll give him that much. But the most successful things the Bears have done offensively are things that are against the Martz "profile" and, most people presume, he had to really be forced to do.

 

Norv Turner will be available

 

After the Bears/Smith canned his brother? Don't see it.

[jersey cubs fan]

Hilarious seeing everyone wanting Martz' head fresh off a loss that included a questionable goal-line screen call. Do you really think another coach could get more out of this horrible line and WR group? Doubtful.

 

We had a good thing going with Cutler, he got hurt, the new QB isn't as good. Calling for a new OC isn't the solution.

 

I've been a nominal supporter of Martz from before they hired him. They needed an actual NFL caliber offensive coach, and he was/is one. I do not blame him for the garbage talent they have on offense (at receiver and line), and I think raw grossly overstates what he's had to work with. But he did run a quality tight end out of town and he has not maximized the talent of the players he does have. I do not like a coach that needs players to fit his system and refuses to tweak his system to fit the players. Martz was never going to be a longterm solution to the position. He was always going to be in-line for some head coaching position, and I think that college would be perfect for him. Martz stabilized the offense, but they will need somebody else to allow it to grow and actually get the most out of Cutler.

[rawaction]

Cutler's the only elite talent, but Forte, Bennett, and Knox are fine players

 

You made some good points just now, but this I could not ignore. How is Forte merely a "fine" player? He's more elite than Cutler is, and I'm a very pro-Cutler person. Now I might buy that Cutler is more valuable to his team than Forte is, but that's an entirely different argument.

 

Talent wise....Forte is not elite. Production is clearly elite. He's not super fast (Chris Johnson). He's not super elusive (Jamal Charles). He doesn't run over defenders (Peterson). Not a knock against Forte, because he's had an MVP type year, but I think his success is largely scheme influenced. Any RB with above average talent would be successful in this offense.

[jersey cubs fan]

Cutler's the only elite talent, but Forte, Bennett, and Knox are fine players

 

You made some good points just now, but this I could not ignore. How is Forte merely a "fine" player? He's more elite than Cutler is, and I'm a very pro-Cutler person. Now I might buy that Cutler is more valuable to his team than Forte is, but that's an entirely different argument.

 

Talent wise....Forte is not elite. Production is clearly elite. He's not super fast (Chris Johnson). He's not super elusive (Jamal Charles). He doesn't run over defenders (Peterson). Not a knock against Forte, because he's had an MVP type year, but I think his success is largely scheme influenced. Any RB with above average talent would be successful in this offense.

 

I agree with your description. I think it's a combination of having above average talent, but also a specialization as a pass catching RB.

[rawaction]

Hilarious seeing everyone wanting Martz' head fresh off a loss that included a questionable goal-line screen call. Do you really think another coach could get more out of this horrible line and WR group? Doubtful.

 

We had a good thing going with Cutler, he got hurt, the new QB isn't as good. Calling for a new OC isn't the solution.

 

I've been a nominal supporter of Martz from before they hired him. They needed an actual NFL caliber offensive coach, and he was/is one. I do not blame him for the garbage talent they have on offense (at receiver and line), and I think raw grossly overstates what he's had to work with. But he did run a quality tight end out of town and he has not maximized the talent of the players he does have. I do not like a coach that needs players to fit his system and refuses to tweak his system to fit the players. Martz was never going to be a longterm solution to the position. He was always going to be in-line for some head coaching position, and I think that college would be perfect for him. Martz stabilized the offense, but they will need somebody else to allow it to grow and actually get the most out of Cutler.

 

Didn't mean to overstate the lack of talent. The Bears skilled position players and OL are bottom 1/4 in the league clearly, no question about that. But they are capable players, and people (not on here necessarily) act like they don't even have players with any ability whatsoever.

 

And that was my issue with Martz. Never wanted him to begin with due to his stubborness and allowing his QBs to take hits, and I knew he wasn't going to be a long-term solution. I don't know if someone like Shane Day is capable, but he would be a good choice if he is. While I would like to completely revamp the offense with the next Sean Payton at OC....it doesn't really make sense to. The Bears are 16th in total offense and top 10 in points scored. A couple tweaks and a couple players would take this offense to a new level. 1 stud lineman, 1 better than replacement WR, and elimination of terrible play calls could make this team elite on offense.

[Banedon]

The Bears skilled position players and OL are bottom 1/4 in the league clearly, no question about that. But they are capable players, and people (not on here necessarily) act like they don't even have players with any ability whatsoever.

 

I'm confused about this. You think we have a bottom 1/4 QB and RB? Seems like it'd be more accurate to just say we have WR issues.

[jersey cubs fan]

Didn't mean to overstate the lack of talent. The Bears skilled position players and OL are bottom 1/4 in the league clearly, no question about that. But they are capable players, and people (not on here necessarily) act like they don't even have players with any ability whatsoever.

 

It's like anything else in sports, obviously there is some semblence of ability and talent there, otherwise they wouldn't be in the NFL. But they are starting a guy like Roy Williams who may be out of football after this season and have some of the worst talent in the league out there. Earl Bennet is a really nice complementary receiver, but he hasn't been healthy enough on a consistent basis to contribute with the QB who really seems to want to throw to him.

 

 

I don't have a problem with starting from scratch as far as offensive game plans are concerned this offseason. Cutler is established enough at this point where I don't worry about wasting his abilities while he learns a new system. Martz doesn't really have a coaching tree to choose from if you want continuity. I'd prefer the best guy otu there than the best guy to emulate Martz.

[rawaction]

 

I don't have a problem with starting from scratch as far as offensive game plans are concerned this offseason. Cutler is established enough at this point where I don't worry about wasting his abilities while he learns a new system. Martz doesn't really have a coaching tree to choose from if you want continuity. I'd prefer the best guy otu there than the best guy to emulate Martz.

 

My issue isn't Cutler learning a new offense. It's more everyone else. If you believe some of the talking heads, Bennett has had issues in the past learning a new offense. Knox has had issues learning the Martz offense. It's pretty clear that the OL had issues with the protection schemes in the Martz offense last year and to start this year. I don't think the other 10 guys on the field (though probably shouldn't include Forte) really can handle another offense, the 3rd in 4 years for most of them.

 

And like the rankings show, a complete revamp probably isn't necessary. I just feel everyone would be best served by not starting from scratch, though the guys on the offense for the most part are young enough to do so and still be in their primes when all systems are clicking.

[Banedon]

Dan Pompei was theorizing this morning on The Score that if Martz leaves, that they may make Mike Tice the OC in order to maintain some level of stability.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

I don't have a problem with starting from scratch as far as offensive game plans are concerned this offseason. Cutler is established enough at this point where I don't worry about wasting his abilities while he learns a new system. Martz doesn't really have a coaching tree to choose from if you want continuity. I'd prefer the best guy otu there than the best guy to emulate Martz.

 

My issue isn't Cutler learning a new offense. It's more everyone else. If you believe some of the talking heads, Bennett has had issues in the past learning a new offense. Knox has had issues learning the Martz offense. It's pretty clear that the OL had issues with the protection schemes in the Martz offense last year and to start this year. I don't think the other 10 guys on the field (though probably shouldn't include Forte) really can handle another offense, the 3rd in 4 years for most of them.

 

And like the rankings show, a complete revamp probably isn't necessary. I just feel everyone would be best served by not starting from scratch, though the guys on the offense for the most part are young enough to do so and still be in their primes when all systems are clicking.

 

I think "learning the system" is more an excuse for not being good than anything else.

 

How much does a guy like Tice actually offer consistency in terms of scheme? He knows what Martz was doing and obviously he's involved closely. But he's got a history as a tight end and doesn't have much ties to any sort of sophisticated passing game (which is what Martz at least tries to do). I'm not opposed to it necessarily, but I have significant doubts about his ability to get the most value out of Cutler. He's be more about staying the same than taking a step forward.

[rawaction]

Dan Pompei was theorizing this morning on The Score that if Martz leaves, that they may make Mike Tice the OC in order to maintain some level of stability.

 

Yeah, I've heard that. Don't really know what his qualifications are. Does Martz just say, "here's my playbook". Not sure how this would work.

[Magnetic Curses]

I'd love to be rid of Martz. There should be a few better options out there.

 

the only system i'd like to see him in is the packers' offense. that offense was built for quarterbacks like rodgers and cutler. tom clements would be perfect and i don't think even the packers would be evil enough to deny him an interview at this point.

Edited November 30, 2011 by Stannis

[Guest]

Besides ASU, now apparently UCLA has contacted Martz (ugh). Supposedly, Martz would like to get back to the West Coast.