bears game ten, chargers at home at 3:15

[Butterscup1679666578]

Hanie isn't going to do [expletive]. I really thought we could make a run with Jay, our D and our ST. The dream's over, you guys.

 

hanie did fine in the packer game. settle down.

 

sample size

 

it was a pretty huge game, though. just relax, he could come out and tom brady it for all we know. plus he knows the offense and he has the same escapability as cutler. his arm is fine.

 

he could also come out and be moses moreno, which is probably more likely than him being tom brady.

[Soul]

Sulley's the voice of reason. Love it dude, but we're in trouble.

 

Hanie might play decently for a game or two. Defenses will get some game tape on him, and thereafter our offense will be reduced to junk.

[UMFan83]

If the Bears can make the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman at QB, they can make the playoffs with Caleb Hanie at QB.

 

Different team, different time. The current offense is built in a way that requires strong QB play. The 06 team had a much better offensive line and was built towards minimizing the number of mistakes the QB can make. Sure at times Grossman was given the keys to the offense, but as the season went on, especially in the last few games of the season it was a much more basic game plan most of the time (see the St Louis game)

[Magnetic Curses]

Hanie isn't going to do [expletive]. I really thought we could make a run with Jay, our D and our ST. The dream's over, you guys.

 

hanie did fine in the packer game. settle down.

 

sample size

 

it was a pretty huge game, though. just relax, he could come out and tom brady it for all we know. plus he knows the offense and he has the same escapability as cutler. his arm is fine.

 

he could also come out and be moses moreno, which is probably more likely than him being tom brady.

 

except he's exhibited actual ability.

[UMFan83]

they play the giants twice, the eagles, who they lost badly to already, tampa bay, that played well today against the packers and could give them real trouble, miami, who has won their last 3 games and destroyed buffalo today, i mean destroyed. the only easy matchup for them is arizona.

 

the bears have a much easier schedule

 

They will likely split with the giants, but the time they play the eagles again they will be eliminated from the playoffs, and the game will be in Dallas. Tampa Bay is decent but is one week removed from getting humiliated by the Texans at home. Miami is solid but the game is in Dallas and Dallas is still more talented. Buffalo [expletive] sucks and should not be used as a measuring stick.

 

I see 4-2 there, which leaves us in the mercy of the tiebreaker gods, assuming we finish 3-3.

[bukie]

If the Bears can make the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman at QB, they can make the playoffs with Caleb Hanie at QB.

 

Different team, different time. The current offense is built in a way that requires strong QB play. The 06 team had a much better offensive line and was built towards minimizing the number of mistakes the QB can make. Sure at times Grossman was given the keys to the offense, but as the season went on, especially in the last few games of the season it was a much more basic game plan most of the time (see the St Louis game)

The current offense is mostly generated through Matt Forte, and it can continue to be. This Bears team is not successful right now because of their offense. Not that Cutler is chopped liver out there, far from it, but the way the line and receivers have performed for the majority of the year, the offense already had to rely on Forte, and now they'll have to do it even more.

 

Fortunately, none of the defenses coming up in the next 5 weeks are really effective against the run. Only Seattle is in the top 10 in run defense efficiency. Even better, none of the final 6 opponents are in the top half of the league in pass defense. Basically, the Bears are done playing good defenses this year.

[UMFan83]

Hanie isn't going to do [expletive]. I really thought we could make a run with Jay, our D and our ST. The dream's over, you guys.

 

hanie did fine in the packer game. settle down.

 

sample size

 

it was a pretty huge game, though. just relax, he could come out and tom brady it for all we know. plus he knows the offense and he has the same escapability as cutler. his arm is fine.

 

Again, Hanie was the 3rd string QB going into the game and had almost no chance to enter the game. I guarantee you none of the Packers had any clue what to expect from Hanie. Judging by the performance Collins gave us, I'm sure they assumed that if Hanie is below this douche on the depth chart, he must be really bad. So they played expecting a pocket QB to be throwing short and medium routes and looked really unprepared when he started flinging it deep and scrambling for 1st downs.

 

Dont get me wrong, Hanie played well..but also threw a pick 6 and a game ending interception right to a Packer player (although he didnt have much preparation for the situation either). Anyways, I don't really put too much stock in his performance that game, other than knowing he's not a complete stiff.

 

He could be decent or he could be miserably bad. Only time will tell.

[Magnetic Curses]

they play the giants twice, the eagles, who they lost badly to already, tampa bay, that played well today against the packers and could give them real trouble, miami, who has won their last 3 games and destroyed buffalo today, i mean destroyed. the only easy matchup for them is arizona.

 

the bears have a much easier schedule

 

They will likely split with the giants, but the time they play the eagles again they will be eliminated from the playoffs, and the game will be in Dallas. Tampa Bay is decent but is one week removed from getting humiliated by the Texans at home. Miami is solid but the game is in Dallas and Dallas is still more talented. Buffalo [expletive] sucks and should not be used as a measuring stick.

 

I see 4-2 there, which leaves us in the mercy of the tiebreaker gods, assuming we finish 3-3.

 

tampa bay got humliated by the texans with matt schaub and arian foster? the dolphins beat the redskins worse than dallas has this year, and they'll be playing hard, as will the eagles. you think they'll just lay down because they're out of the playoffs? you think they'll just give up? dallas is a rival and the eagles are still very talented and a matchup nightmare for the cowboys. the giants are a goocd team, by no means are either of those games going to be easy.

[JonJayCutler]

Why is everyone assuming we're racing Dallas for a WC? If the Giants lose tonight Dallas moves into a tie for first.

[Magnetic Curses]

Hanie isn't going to do [expletive]. I really thought we could make a run with Jay, our D and our ST. The dream's over, you guys.

 

hanie did fine in the packer game. settle down.

 

sample size

 

it was a pretty huge game, though. just relax, he could come out and tom brady it for all we know. plus he knows the offense and he has the same escapability as cutler. his arm is fine.

 

Again, Hanie was the 3rd string QB going into the game and had almost no chance to enter the game. I guarantee you none of the Packers had any clue what to expect from Hanie.

 

i thought i made my point by ignoring your insipid remark, my bad. the fact that hanie has anything that could surprise a team like the packers last year proves that he has ability. they scouted the bears offense, they scouted cutler, hanie's foot speed is about the same and his arm is weaker, yet he managed to do damage against the packers. any vanilla, generic defense that the packers threw at hanie with the amazing defensive players they had at the tops of their game should have been enough to shut him down if he wasn't able. that didn't happen. he showed poise in the pocket and he showed an arm against a bunch of incredibly fast and intelligent defensive players with nick collins directing things in the defensive backfield. he's got enough for me to give him a chance.

 

your other points are stupid since you've strangely chosen to undermine them yourself.

[UMFan83]

they play the giants twice, the eagles, who they lost badly to already, tampa bay, that played well today against the packers and could give them real trouble, miami, who has won their last 3 games and destroyed buffalo today, i mean destroyed. the only easy matchup for them is arizona.

 

the bears have a much easier schedule

 

They will likely split with the giants, but the time they play the eagles again they will be eliminated from the playoffs, and the game will be in Dallas. Tampa Bay is decent but is one week removed from getting humiliated by the Texans at home. Miami is solid but the game is in Dallas and Dallas is still more talented. Buffalo [expletive] sucks and should not be used as a measuring stick.

 

I see 4-2 there, which leaves us in the mercy of the tiebreaker gods, assuming we finish 3-3.

 

tampa bay got humliated by the texans with matt schaub and arian foster? the dolphins beat the redskins worse than dallas has this year, and they'll be playing hard, as will the eagles. you think they'll just lay down because they're out of the playoffs? you think they'll just give up? dallas is a rival and the eagles are still very talented and a matchup nightmare for the cowboys. the giants are a goocd team, by no means are either of those games going to be easy.

 

Yeah I see the Eagles as the type of team that will completely fall apart once their playoff dreams are over. They have way too many distractions with Deshaun Jackson's contract, Vick's shoddy play, Reids job status, etc. I see them going way south once this playoff run is over.

 

Yeah TB got humiliated by Schaub and Foster, so it seems pretty likely that Romo and Murray has a shot to do the same. They have 4 straight games and have been blown out by more than 25 points twice in their last 6 games, going 1-5 during that stretch. Nice showing today in GB but it doesnt change the fact that they arent that good.

 

Giants are a good team prone to bad games. I think it's pretty likely that the Cowboys split at least. Miami did a nice job of beating the Chiefs (4-6, lost 2 in a row), Redskins (3-7, lost 6 in a row) and Bills (5-5, lost 4 of 5, gotten blown out 3 weeks in a row), and are decent but I don't see Dallas losing to them at home.

 

You also have to look at Atlanta's schedule:

MIN, @HOU, @CAR, JAX, @NO, TB.

 

That's a schedule that they can go 5-1 in, putting pressure on the Bears to go 4-2 to make the playoffs.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The Bears can still beat several teams on their schedule, but we arent beating GB in GB and we arent winning 3 road games in the playoffs w/o cutler

 

god this sucks

[UMFan83]

 

hanie did fine in the packer game. settle down.

 

sample size

 

it was a pretty huge game, though. just relax, he could come out and tom brady it for all we know. plus he knows the offense and he has the same escapability as cutler. his arm is fine.

 

Again, Hanie was the 3rd string QB going into the game and had almost no chance to enter the game. I guarantee you none of the Packers had any clue what to expect from Hanie.

 

i thought i made my point by ignoring your insipid remark, my bad. the fact that hanie has anything that could surprise a team like the packers last year proves that he has ability. they scouted the bears offense, they scouted cutler, hanie's foot speed is about the same and his arm is weaker, yet he managed to do damage against the packers. any vanilla, generic defense that the packers threw at hanie with the amazing defensive players they had at the tops of their game should have been enough to shut him down if he wasn't able. that didn't happen. he showed poise in the pocket and he showed an arm against a bunch of incredibly fast and intelligent defensive players with nick collins directing things in the defensive backfield. he's got enough for me to give him a chance.

 

your other points are stupid since you've strangely chosen to undermine them yourself.

 

I know your devastated with this news and hiding behind your rare show of optimism (you're not fooling anyone), but not necessary to call my points stupid as they make more sense then you claiming Hanie will be good based on a half of a game and some preseason games against 3rd string defenses. I'm not saying that Hanie cant be good, I actually feel decent about his chances to be competent, but anyone who refuses to believe that he could come out and be awful is in denial.

[Magnetic Curses]

and i love Jay, but he's not irreplaceable.

[Magnetic Curses]

I know your devastated with this news and hiding behind your rare show of optimism (you're not fooling anyone), but not necessary to call my points stupid as they make more sense then you claiming Hanie will be good based on a half of a game and some preseason games against 3rd string defenses. I'm not saying that Hanie cant be good, I actually feel decent about his chances to be competent, but anyone who refuses to believe that he could come out and be awful is in denial.

 

lol, yeah, hiding behind optimism, sure. yeah, it sucks, but let's not get carried away.

 

and i never said he couldn't be bad, where in the hell did i say that? you're making [expletive] up now, i'm just not saying "um well, he could be good he could be bad he could be in the middle, eh, i don't know". i'm saying that i think he will be good, don't confuse my non-milquetoast stance with a complete and absurd optimism.

[wekse]

i'm with sulley...surprisingly i'm taking this very well, and i'm stone cold sober.

 

football is fun for me and i'm not going to let this [expletive] get in the way...go caleb hanie!

[wekse]

[expletive] happens, it just sucks that it happened to our qb at a time when we were all flying high...the sun will rise tomorrow and i'll still be cooler than most of the people i know, haha.

[UMFan83]

I know your devastated with this news and hiding behind your rare show of optimism (you're not fooling anyone), but not necessary to call my points stupid as they make more sense then you claiming Hanie will be good based on a half of a game and some preseason games against 3rd string defenses. I'm not saying that Hanie cant be good, I actually feel decent about his chances to be competent, but anyone who refuses to believe that he could come out and be awful is in denial.

 

lol, yeah, hiding behind optimism, sure. yeah, it sucks, but let's not get carried away.

 

and i never said he couldn't be bad, where in the hell did i say that? you're making [expletive] up now, i'm just not saying "um well, he could be good he could be bad he could be in the middle, eh, i don't know". i'm saying that i think he will be good, don't confuse my non-milquetoast stance with a complete and absurd optimism.

 

Dude you are calling my points stupid because I'm arguing that the Packers game doesnt really tell us much. What other evidence do you have that he is unlikely to be bad?

[Butterscup1679666578]

and i love Jay, but he's not irreplaceable.

 

His talent is irreplaceable at this point in the season.

[bukie]

I mean, Tebow is 4-1 and look at the crap he's tossed out at QB.

 

I have full confidence that Hanie will be better than Tebow.

 

You might think "Yeah, but it's not like the Bears get to play the AFC West every week". But...yeah, they kind of do.

[Magnetic Curses]

I know your devastated with this news and hiding behind your rare show of optimism (you're not fooling anyone), but not necessary to call my points stupid as they make more sense then you claiming Hanie will be good based on a half of a game and some preseason games against 3rd string defenses. I'm not saying that Hanie cant be good, I actually feel decent about his chances to be competent, but anyone who refuses to believe that he could come out and be awful is in denial.

 

lol, yeah, hiding behind optimism, sure. yeah, it sucks, but let's not get carried away.

 

and i never said he couldn't be bad, where in the hell did i say that? you're making [expletive] up now, i'm just not saying "um well, he could be good he could be bad he could be in the middle, eh, i don't know". i'm saying that i think he will be good, don't confuse my non-milquetoast stance with a complete and absurd optimism.

 

Dude you are calling my points stupid because I'm arguing that the Packers game doesnt really tell us much. What other evidence do you have that he is unlikely to be bad?

 

no, i was calling your points stupid because you'd make one and then make a disclaimer statement.

 

yeah, we get it, hanie could be bad or he could be good. no need to say any more.

[Magnetic Curses]

and i love Jay, but he's not irreplaceable.

 

His talent is irreplaceable at this point in the season.

 

maybe. he's my quarterback, but i think it's hanie time. you'll see.

[bukie]

Here is why I am still optimistic:

 

1. A replacement-level QB could go 4-2 against the Bears' remaining schedule with the D and ST advantages the Bears offer. KC and SEA are inexcusable no matter what happens, DEN and MIN are also both terrible but on the road, OAK is an average team, and GB is probably resting starters by week 16 at this rate having wrapped up the division and a bye...and if they haven't by that point it means the Bears are somehow still in contention for the division and they have a playoff spot clinched anyway.

 

2. 4-2 guarantees a playoff spot unless it's New Orleans that falls back. Cutler is back at that point, and the 5-6 seed is what the Bears were looking at anyway. Playoff game in New Orleans/Dallas/New York/Atlanta.

 

3. Hanie is better than replacement-level (I mean, have you seen some of these replacement QBs?), so it gives the Bears a bit of a buffer on that front, too.

[SpongeWorthy]

Hanie will dominate

[UMFan83]

I know your devastated with this news and hiding behind your rare show of optimism (you're not fooling anyone), but not necessary to call my points stupid as they make more sense then you claiming Hanie will be good based on a half of a game and some preseason games against 3rd string defenses. I'm not saying that Hanie cant be good, I actually feel decent about his chances to be competent, but anyone who refuses to believe that he could come out and be awful is in denial.

 

lol, yeah, hiding behind optimism, sure. yeah, it sucks, but let's not get carried away.

 

and i never said he couldn't be bad, where in the hell did i say that? you're making [expletive] up now, i'm just not saying "um well, he could be good he could be bad he could be in the middle, eh, i don't know". i'm saying that i think he will be good, don't confuse my non-milquetoast stance with a complete and absurd optimism.

 

Dude you are calling my points stupid because I'm arguing that the Packers game doesnt really tell us much. What other evidence do you have that he is unlikely to be bad?

 

no, i was calling your points stupid because you'd make one and then make a disclaimer statement.

 

yeah, we get it, hanie could be bad or he could be good. no need to say any more.

 

Who the hell cares, regardless I'm bringing points up for discussion that are not stupid, regardless of a "disclaimer" afterwords.