Joe Paterno

[BeerHere]

Statment from Second Mile http://www.thesecondmile.org/welcome.php

 

Consistent with that commitment and with The Second Mile policy, we immediately made the decision to separate him from all of our program activities involving children. Thus, from 2008 to present, Mr. Sandusky has had no involvement with Second Mile programs involving children.

 

The Second Mile was first contacted by the Attorney General’s office in early 2011. Since then, we have done everything in our power to cooperate with law-enforcement officials and will continue to do so.

 

Something I don't understand is why they just separated him from activities with children. Why not just completely separate from him? There were multiple reports and multiple investigations. Wouldn't the sane thing be to tell him that until it is involved we should disassociate with you? Even if he doesn't go to events where there are children, the fact that he's associated with an organization that helps children gives him cache with parents and at risk kids who may be unaware of the allegations. It was his Amex Black Card.

Agreed. As an organization that relies on charitable donations to survive it is extremely important.

[BeerHere]

If this pimping thing is real, I can't help but think of all the big names I saw on Second Mile's board...

 

I hate to defend these guys if it turns out they had any prior knowledge, but I think of a board of directors for a charity loaded with celebrities like that as pretty damn hands off. (pardon the phrase) I can't imagine Cal Ripken was doing much more than making an appearance or 2 per year and giving the occassional donation.

I don't know why you'd think that given what we've found out in the past few days.

 

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

 

i'm going to go ahead and say it would surprise me if cal [expletive] ripken was involved in pimping out kids to rich donors.

Do you have something against Cal Ripken? Is everyone aware of the alleged incident between Cal's wife and a certain actor from Field of Dreams?

[Banedon]

What a sad story all around.

 

The ramifications are not going to be limited to Penn State. If I'm an AD* anywhere else in the country, at a minimum I'm working late triple-checking guidelines for access and use of facilities; staff training from bottom to top on reporting requirements (for sexual assault and any other crime) and how far out to extend and renew background checks for non-employees. More crimes will come to light -- a good thing -- hopefully none as systematic and far-reaching as the Penn State situation (conspiracy?).

 

*or University President

 

There's already been a story in the local paper about Illinois State University's guidelines, and policies regarding these types of things. I expect there will be similar ones around the country.

[Laura]

Another quote from Mark Madden on NEEI:

 

"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."

[BeerHere]

Another quote from Mark Madden on NEEI:

 

"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."

The grand jury report also stated that at the point that Sandusky was told that he wouldn't be the next coach at PSU, he told one of the boys he was abusing that was the reason he was upset that day and that he should keep it to himself. So a child being abused by Sandusky was told by Sandusky that the decision was the reason he was upset. So to put this into perspective.....the university had two eyewitness reports of Sandusky sexually abusing young boys in the football shower room and he was still under consideration to take over for Paterno after he retired. Makes you wonder if that was or was not the reason he was removed from consideration. If it was not the reason, why the [expletive] not? If it was the reason, why was it kept quiet?

[jersey cubs fan]

didn't realize the psu vice chairman is also the US Steel CEO.

[SouthSideRyan]

Another quote from Mark Madden on NEEI:

 

"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."

 

I find it hard to believe that everyone in college football knew Sandusky was a scumbag and there was never anything brought to light about it.

[BeerHere]

Another quote from Mark Madden on NEEI:

 

"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."

Though I have to say, I think The Score had this guy on this morning and he is making a lot of allegations in his column, on twitter and now on the radio. If none of this ends up being true, this guy is opening himself to some liable suites. He better be going off more than just speculation.

[brinoch]

Ugh. The good ole coach network...

 

I don't understand how he didn't get arrested with so many people knowing. Everyone in football knows not to hire the guy, but he still is free and able to inflict massive harm on kids.

[SouthSideRyan]

From People Magazine on the Kutcher twitter issue:

 

This is the second Twitter faux pas in recent months for Kutcher. On Sept. 11, he backtracked after calling it "the greatest day of the year," because it was the start of football season.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Another quote from Mark Madden on NEEI:

 

"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."

Though I have to say, I think The Score had this guy on this morning and he is making a lot of allegations in his column, on twitter and now on the radio. If none of this ends up being true, this guy is opening himself to some liable suites. He better be going off more than just speculation.

 

At this point, Sandusky is libel-proof because his reputation can't get lower (yes, that's a valid legal defense) and Penn State University is a government agency so they'd have to prove actual malice in a libel suit.

[jersey cubs fan]

So to put this into perspective.....the university had two eyewitness reports of Sandusky sexually abusing young boys in the football shower room and he was still under consideration to take over for Paterno after he retired. Makes you wonder if that was or was not the reason he was removed from consideration. If it was not the reason, why the [expletive] not? If it was the reason, why was it kept quiet?

 

My guess is they made the decision not to have him be the next coach well before they informed him he would not be the coach. And I'm sure it was the knowledge of child rape that informed said decision.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I was a little scared when I read that SPORTSbyBROOKS thing last night, but now I'm feeling sick to my stomach.

[BeerHere]

Ugh. The good ole coach network...

 

I don't understand how he didn't get arrested with so many people knowing. Everyone in football knows not to hire the guy, but he still is free and able to inflict massive harm on kids.

There are two parts to this that infuriate me as a father and human being. What you mentioned above, and the brazen approach by Sandusky. It doesn't even look like he tried to hide it, almost like he thought it wasn't a bad thing. But then you read the grand jury report and he mentions that he "hates himself" for doing it and you think he knew it was wrong. Janitors were watching him stalk children in the parking lot after seeing him sexually abusing a kid in the locker room. Yet, neither they, the GA, Paterno, the AD nor the university president did anything.

 

[expletive] sickening

[jersey cubs fan]

Another quote from Mark Madden on NEEI:

 

"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."

 

I find it hard to believe that everyone in college football knew Sandusky was a scumbag and there was never anything brought to light about it.

 

They didn't need to know why he was a scumbag, just that PSU officials had a negative view on him when he retired. The football coaching community is a pretty tight group, but it's very large. Lots of guys can hear issues about a guy without having anything close to proof to go to officials about him.

 

Also, the PSU staff is strangely insular.

[wade]

didn't realize the psu vice chairman is also the US Steel CEO.

 

Old man Roth was wrong about who would end up being bigger than US Steel.

[wade]

Ugh. The good ole coach network...

 

I don't understand how he didn't get arrested with so many people knowing. Everyone in football knows not to hire the guy, but he still is free and able to inflict massive harm on kids.

There are two parts to this that infuriate me as a father and human being. What you mentioned above, and the brazen approach by Sandusky. It doesn't even look like he tried to hide it, almost like he thought it wasn't a bad thing. But then you read the grand jury report and he mentions that he "hates himself" for doing it and you think he knew it was wrong. Janitors were watching him stalk children in the parking lot after seeing him sexually abusing a kid in the locker room. Yet, neither they, the GA, Paterno, the AD nor the university president did anything.

 

[expletive] sickening

 

He probably just said he "hates himself" to make the one mom think he was remorseful and would actually not do that stuff anymore, hoping she'd accept that and not push the issue further.

[BeerHere]

Another quote from Mark Madden on NEEI:

 

"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."

Though I have to say, I think The Score had this guy on this morning and he is making a lot of allegations in his column, on twitter and now on the radio. If none of this ends up being true, this guy is opening himself to some liable suites. He better be going off more than just speculation.

 

At this point, Sandusky is libel-proof because his reputation can't get lower (yes, that's a valid legal defense) and Penn State University is a government agency so they'd have to prove actual malice in a libel suit.

ugh@the terrible typo on my part

 

A lot of the allegations he is making are directed at Second Mile. As a charitable organization it would seem they would have firm ground to stand on if they chose to go after him. (disclaimer, I work in IT not law)

 

I'm not at all saying that his allegations are false. I'm saying that the guy better get control of his emotions before going on the radio etc.

[BeerHere]

Ugh. The good ole coach network...

 

I don't understand how he didn't get arrested with so many people knowing. Everyone in football knows not to hire the guy, but he still is free and able to inflict massive harm on kids.

There are two parts to this that infuriate me as a father and human being. What you mentioned above, and the brazen approach by Sandusky. It doesn't even look like he tried to hide it, almost like he thought it wasn't a bad thing. But then you read the grand jury report and he mentions that he "hates himself" for doing it and you think he knew it was wrong. Janitors were watching him stalk children in the parking lot after seeing him sexually abusing a kid in the locker room. Yet, neither they, the GA, Paterno, the AD nor the university president did anything.

 

[expletive] sickening

 

He probably just said he "hates himself" to make the one mom think he was remorseful and would actually not do that stuff anymore, hoping she'd accept that and not push the issue further.

Which would imply that he knew it was wrong (which I think he did). If you can assume that was the case, how do you explain how brazen he was (took multiple kids to the showers, PSU games, coaches meetings) etc. Even after the coaching staff knew of the first abuse witnesses by the GA. If he knew he was wrong enough to make an attempt to make himself look pitiful to a parent, why was he so certain he wouldn't be caught by anyone else?

 

I fear there is a LOT more to this. Just really a gut feeling, but there is more than a simple "good ole boy" being protected by the university and coaching staff. There must be.

[erik316wttn]

If this pimping thing is real, I can't help but think of all the big names I saw on Second Mile's board...

 

I hate to defend these guys if it turns out they had any prior knowledge, but I think of a board of directors for a charity loaded with celebrities like that as pretty damn hands off. (pardon the phrase) I can't imagine Cal Ripken was doing much more than making an appearance or 2 per year and giving the occassional donation.

I don't know why you'd think that given what we've found out in the past few days.

 

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

 

i'm going to go ahead and say it would surprise me if cal [expletive] ripken was involved in pimping out kids to rich donors.

 

I'll admit, that one could knock me over. I'd be very surprised if any of those major names on the board were invovled beyond what someone upthread said: writing a few checks a year and appearing at some fundraisers. I very much doubt that any of them were involved in day-to-day stuff. But with as crazy as this story keeps getting, I guess you have to brace for news like that.

[jersey cubs fan]

Which would imply that he knew it was wrong (which I think he did).

 

Or just that he knew other people viewed it as wrong.

 

Old men having sex with young boys is nothing new, and is viewed by some as perfectly fine.

[abuck1220]

If this pimping thing is real, I can't help but think of all the big names I saw on Second Mile's board...

 

I hate to defend these guys if it turns out they had any prior knowledge, but I think of a board of directors for a charity loaded with celebrities like that as pretty damn hands off. (pardon the phrase) I can't imagine Cal Ripken was doing much more than making an appearance or 2 per year and giving the occassional donation.

I don't know why you'd think that given what we've found out in the past few days.

 

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

 

i'm going to go ahead and say it would surprise me if cal [expletive] ripken was involved in pimping out kids to rich donors.

 

I'll admit, that one could knock me over. I'd be very surprised if any of those major names on the board were invovled beyond what someone upthread said: writing a few checks a year and appearing at some fundraisers. I very much doubt that any of them were involved in day-to-day stuff. But with as crazy as this story keeps getting, I guess you have to brace for news like that.

 

no you don't.

[BeerHere]

Things are getting weird in PA. My employer (apparently) is doing a large project for PSU (30 people) and has pulled everyone out of the campus due to the "social and political climate" at the university. Travel to this client is restricted for now.

[erik316wttn]

 

no you don't.

 

I am NOT at ALL saying that Cal Ripken is complicit in anything that happened. My comment is pretty much that this story got so far beyond what anyone could ever imagine (and continues to) that you just have to brace for the next impact.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm not saying it's likely that Cal Ripken was actually mind-controlling Sandusky to do all those things. I'm just saying you have to brace yourself for that possibility.