Joe Paterno

[jersey cubs fan]

How the hell is Ashton Kutcher against this move when he's supposed to be all about anti-sex abuse/prostitution.

 

He has since admitted he made the first statement without knowing the background and put himself in Twitter time-out. Dumb, dumb statment to make without familiarizing yourself at least a little beforehand.

 

EDIT- not dumb by you, jersey, dumb by Kuchar to make the statement about Paterno intially. When I re-read that it didn't sound right.

 

I knew what you meant.

[erik316wttn]

 

Penn State, no. But if Sandusky had contact with rich donors through Second Mile one of them could have fronted the money to have the guy offed to protect everyone's ass in this.

 

if the DA was on to the pimping thing, you think he would be the only one in the office that knew about it? and that killing him would put an end to the investigation?

 

It depends on exactly what the DA knew. I don't know how a DA'a office works, but could it be possible that at the time he either had damning evidence to bring about charges, or was dangerously close to obtaining them? Perhaps killing him before he was able to reveal/uncover the info was enough to keep them safe as nobody else has been able to get the proof?

 

I'm just completely spitballing here and am not at all saying that's what happened.

[abuck1220]

 

Penn State, no. But if Sandusky had contact with rich donors through Second Mile one of them could have fronted the money to have the guy offed to protect everyone's ass in this.

 

if the DA was on to the pimping thing, you think he would be the only one in the office that knew about it? and that killing him would put an end to the investigation?

 

It depends on exactly what the DA knew. I don't know how a DA'a office works, but could it be possible that at the time he either had damning evidence to bring about charges, or was dangerously close to obtaining them? Perhaps killing him before he was able to reveal/uncover the info was enough to keep them safe as nobody else has been able to get the proof?

 

I'm just completely spitballing here and am not at all saying that's what happened.

 

you watch too much tv.

[BeerHere]

5) The Assistant District Attorney that is finally investigating the allegations and eyewitness accounts suddenly disappears? They find his laptop minus the HD in a river/lake. His disappearance can't be a coincidence. Was he paid off to disappear? Was he killed? What was on the HD?

 

 

didn't he decide not to prosecute sandusky in 1998? and he disappeared in 2005.

I believe there were allegations in 2004 as well. And....after two eyewitness accounts of graphic abuse of multiple children, how do you not prosecute?

 

i just find it very hard to believe penn state arranged for the murder of a DA in order to protect a retired coach/molester. i think it's much more likely that it's a coincidence.

 

unless the 2nd mile pimp story is true, in which a bunch of rich donors would be in need of protection.

 

That is my point as well. There is certainly going to be a lot of speculation and investigations forthcoming. However, from my earlier post, there seem to be a lot of "loose ends" that don't align with typical human behavior even for those not alleged to have been involved with the molestation. See my earlier post but I can't get past the GA continuing to see him on campus and not doing anything, the wife not thinking something was up, the Second Mile people brushing it away.

 

If you were the GA, how would you react every time you saw him afterward? How would you react if you saw with another boy -- a distinct possibility since the GA worked there and Sandusky continued to bring the boys to campus. The grand jury report also said that he was bringing boys to games and into PSU coaches meetings as recently as 2007. The GA had to have seen him.

 

If you were Sandusky, how would you react every time you saw the GA? Would you not think to yourself that he needed to be taken care of to keep his mouth shut?

 

Again, all of this is pure speculation on my part but if you honestly think about all of the individuals involved and how many people knew or must have known or reacted, there is too much that doesn't align for it to be limited to a single coach and a university sweeping it under the rug.

 

*edited to make a further point

Edited November 10, 2011 by BeerHere

[wade]

How the hell is Ashton Kutcher against this move when he's supposed to be all about anti-sex abuse/prostitution.

 

He has since admitted he made the first statement without knowing the background and put himself in Twitter time-out. Dumb, dumb statment to make without familiarizing yourself at least a little beforehand.

 

EDIT- not dumb by you, jersey, dumb by Kuchar to make the statement about Paterno intially. When I re-read that it didn't sound right.

 

I knew what you meant.

 

I figured, but wanted to clarify since it sounded at least a little like I was the biggest Ashton Kuchar fanboy in the world.

[erik316wttn]

 

Penn State, no. But if Sandusky had contact with rich donors through Second Mile one of them could have fronted the money to have the guy offed to protect everyone's ass in this.

 

if the DA was on to the pimping thing, you think he would be the only one in the office that knew about it? and that killing him would put an end to the investigation?

 

It depends on exactly what the DA knew. I don't know how a DA'a office works, but could it be possible that at the time he either had damning evidence to bring about charges, or was dangerously close to obtaining them? Perhaps killing him before he was able to reveal/uncover the info was enough to keep them safe as nobody else has been able to get the proof?

 

I'm just completely spitballing here and am not at all saying that's what happened.

 

you watch too much tv.

 

Perhaps. But there's so much good stuff on!

[jersey cubs fan]

http://img.poptower.com/pic-45613/the-killing-amc-tv-show.jpg?d=600

[Guest]

Okay, last night I agreed with everyone who said nothing would shock them at this point. I was wrong.

 

Yep.

[ConstableRabbit]

If this pimping thing is real, I can't help but think of all the big names I saw on Second Mile's board...

[SouthSideRyan]

If this pimping thing is real, I can't help but think of all the big names I saw on Second Mile's board...

 

I hate to defend these guys if it turns out they had any prior knowledge, but I think of a board of directors for a charity loaded with celebrities like that as pretty damn hands off. (pardon the phrase) I can't imagine Cal Ripken was doing much more than making an appearance or 2 per year and giving the occassional donation.

[Laura]

What a sad story all around.

 

The ramifications are not going to be limited to Penn State. If I'm an AD* anywhere else in the country, at a minimum I'm working late triple-checking guidelines for access and use of facilities; staff training from bottom to top on reporting requirements (for sexual assault and any other crime) and how far out to extend and renew background checks for non-employees. More crimes will come to light -- a good thing -- hopefully none as systematic and far-reaching as the Penn State situation (conspiracy?).

 

*or University President

[ConstableRabbit]

If this pimping thing is real, I can't help but think of all the big names I saw on Second Mile's board...

 

I hate to defend these guys if it turns out they had any prior knowledge, but I think of a board of directors for a charity loaded with celebrities like that as pretty damn hands off. (pardon the phrase) I can't imagine Cal Ripken was doing much more than making an appearance or 2 per year and giving the occassional donation.

I don't know why you'd think that given what we've found out in the past few days.

 

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

[jersey cubs fan]

If this pimping thing is real, I can't help but think of all the big names I saw on Second Mile's board...

 

I hate to defend these guys if it turns out they had any prior knowledge, but I think of a board of directors for a charity loaded with celebrities like that as pretty damn hands off. (pardon the phrase) I can't imagine Cal Ripken was doing much more than making an appearance or 2 per year and giving the occassional donation.

 

I believe that is true, especially with these guys. We aren't talking about a group of lawyers at the head of some charity, it's just a bunch of athletes or ex athletes who won't be delving deep into the situation.

[BeerHere]

If this pimping thing is real, I can't help but think of all the big names I saw on Second Mile's board...

Arnold Palmer

Dick Vermeil

Andy Reid

Mark Wahlberg

Franco Harris

Jack Ham

Lou Holtz

 

 

These guys have to be sick right now.

[glavine93]

if true, the rich donor child abuse ring is RIGHT out of a terrible SVU episode that i remember watching (so i take back all of those times i said "this seems implausible" when i happened to see that show). somehow these molester guys are able to identify each other and have underground hangouts and evilness conventions, so it doesn’t really surprise me.

 

also, someone has to be tracking down all of those foster kids he took in, and obviously the six he adopted. i would hope that he’d have some self-control there, but signs point to no.

 

i had to turn off espn after a while last night. the students were so, so embarrassing. i keep telling myself they're only 18, but still.

[BeerHere]

Statment from Second Mile http://www.thesecondmile.org/welcome.php

 

The most recent reports we’ve read this past weekend state that Mr. Sandusky met the alleged victims through The Second Mile. To our knowledge, all the alleged incidents occurred outside of our programs and events. However, we are encouraging anyone with information regarding this investigation to contact investigators from the Office of Attorney General at 814-863-1053 or Pennsylvania State Police at 814-470-2238.

 

As The Second Mile’s CEO Jack Raykovitz testified to the Grand Jury, he was informed in 2002 by Pennsylvania State University Athletic Director Tim Curley that an individual had reported to Mr. Curley that he was uncomfortable about seeing Jerry Sandusky in the locker room shower with a youth. Mr. Curley also shared that the information had been internally reviewed and that there was no finding of wrongdoing. At no time was The Second Mile made aware of the very serious allegations contained in the Grand Jury report.

 

Subsequently, in November 2008, Mr. Sandusky informed The Second Mile that he had learned he was being investigated as a result of allegations made against him by an adolescent male in Clinton County, PA. Although he maintained there was no truth to the claims, we are an organization committed first and foremost to the safety and well-being of the children we serve. Consistent with that commitment and with The Second Mile policy, we immediately made the decision to separate him from all of our program activities involving children. Thus, from 2008 to present, Mr. Sandusky has had no involvement with Second Mile programs involving children.

 

The Second Mile was first contacted by the Attorney General’s office in early 2011. Since then, we have done everything in our power to cooperate with law-enforcement officials and will continue to do so.

[BeerHere]

if true, the rich donor child abuse ring is RIGHT out of a terrible SVU episode that i remember watching (so i take back all of those times i said "this seems implausible" when i happened to see that show). somehow these molester guys are able to identify each other and have underground hangouts and evilness conventions, so it doesn’t really surprise me.

 

also, someone has to be tracking down all of those foster kids he took in, and obviously the six he adopted. i would hope that he’d have some self-control there, but signs point to no.

 

i had to turn off espn after a while last night. the students were so, so embarrassing. i keep telling myself they're only 18, but still.

Agreed, those adopted kids/people need to be protected immediately.

[jersey cubs fan]

Statment from Second Mile http://www.thesecondmile.org/welcome.php

 

Consistent with that commitment and with The Second Mile policy, we immediately made the decision to separate him from all of our program activities involving children. Thus, from 2008 to present, Mr. Sandusky has had no involvement with Second Mile programs involving children.

 

The Second Mile was first contacted by the Attorney General’s office in early 2011. Since then, we have done everything in our power to cooperate with law-enforcement officials and will continue to do so.

 

Something I don't understand is why they just separated him from activities with children. Why not just completely separate from him? There were multiple reports and multiple investigations. Wouldn't the sane thing be to tell him that until it is involved we should disassociate with you? Even if he doesn't go to events where there are children, the fact that he's associated with an organization that helps children gives him cache with parents and at risk kids who may be unaware of the allegations. It was his Amex Black Card.

Edited November 10, 2011 by jersey cubs fan

[SouthSideRyan]

also, someone has to be tracking down all of those foster kids he took in, and obviously the six he adopted. i would hope that he’d have some self-control there, but signs point to no.

 

 

This goes back to gooney's point about the wife facilitating this stuff. [expletive] this is awful.

[Laura]

Something I don't understand is why they just separated him from activities with children. Why not just completely separate from him? There were multiple reports and multiple investigations. Wouldn't the sane thing be to tell him that until it is involved we should disassociate with you?

 

$$$$

[wade]

if true, the rich donor child abuse ring is RIGHT out of a terrible SVU episode that i remember watching (so i take back all of those times i said "this seems implausible" when i happened to see that show). somehow these molester guys are able to identify each other and have underground hangouts and evilness conventions, so it doesn’t really surprise me.

 

also, someone has to be tracking down all of those foster kids he took in, and obviously the six he adopted. i would hope that he’d have some self-control there, but signs point to no.

 

i had to turn off espn after a while last night. the students were so, so embarrassing. i keep telling myself they're only 18, but still.

Agreed, those adopted kids/people need to be protected immediately.

 

I think one has a court-order barring her dad from unsupervised contact with his grandchilren.

[SouthSideRyan]

Something I don't understand is why they just separated him from activities with children. Why not just completely separate from him? There were multiple reports and multiple investigations. Wouldn't the sane thing be to tell him that until it is involved we should disassociate with you?

 

$$$$

 

Yep, if he was still heavily connected to PSU and its alums, it wasn't an enemy they wanted to make. Ok Jerry, you can stick around, but no more raping promise?

[jersey cubs fan]

also, someone has to be tracking down all of those foster kids he took in, and obviously the six he adopted. i would hope that he’d have some self-control there, but signs point to no.

 

 

This goes back to gooney's point about the wife facilitating this stuff. [expletive] this is awful.

 

I'm just going to hope that his wife serving these kids up on a silver platter to him is the extent of the issue and hope to hell the rest is just rumor.

[abuck1220]

If this pimping thing is real, I can't help but think of all the big names I saw on Second Mile's board...

 

I hate to defend these guys if it turns out they had any prior knowledge, but I think of a board of directors for a charity loaded with celebrities like that as pretty damn hands off. (pardon the phrase) I can't imagine Cal Ripken was doing much more than making an appearance or 2 per year and giving the occassional donation.

I don't know why you'd think that given what we've found out in the past few days.

 

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

 

i'm going to go ahead and say it would surprise me if cal [expletive] ripken was involved in pimping out kids to rich donors.

[jersey cubs fan]

If this pimping thing is real, I can't help but think of all the big names I saw on Second Mile's board...

 

I hate to defend these guys if it turns out they had any prior knowledge, but I think of a board of directors for a charity loaded with celebrities like that as pretty damn hands off. (pardon the phrase) I can't imagine Cal Ripken was doing much more than making an appearance or 2 per year and giving the occassional donation.

I don't know why you'd think that given what we've found out in the past few days.

 

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

 

i'm going to go ahead and say it would surprise me if cal [expletive] ripken was involved in pimping out kids to rich donors.

 

WHY DO YOU THINK HE HAD TO START HIS OWN VERSION OF LITTLE LEAGUE?????