College Football - Week 11 (Nov. 12th)

[NewUserName]

What does the outcome of the title game have to do with whether Michigan deserved a rematch or not?

I think it pretty decidedly proved that Florida deserved a chance to play for the title.

 

still had nothing to do with who should have been in the game based on the outcome of the regular season. I don't want to argue this because I understand your point, but I think you are missing SSR's point. Personally I think I was for Florida going over Michigan, but I didn't like the way it happened.

[CubColtPacer]

Oklahoma and Oregon got a big boost by Boise State losing. Boise was stuck in between Alabama and Oklahoma/Oregon in the polls and that will allow them to get a lot closer to Alabama then they were before. The problem is for both schools is that Oregon is ahead in the polls while Oklahoma is ahead in the computer rankings which might end up killing them both. Oregon is also hurt bigtime by having to play at least a 4 loss team and maybe a 5 loss team in the championship game (right now UCLA is actually in the lead to go to the title game, although it will probably be Arizona State or Utah at the end of the season).

 

The other interesting question right now is if Boise actually falls enough to fall below Houston or not. I'm guessing they will, but it will be somewhat close.

 

BTW, Sagarin's ratings love, love, love the Big 12. 7 teams in the top 17 and 9 of their 10 teams are in the top 28 of the country. And yet Oklahoma State is behind LSU and Oklahoma is behind Alabama, Oregon, and Arkansas. That really doesn't make much sense.

[hawkeyecub]

So has MSU been having like 12 defensive injuries (only to return the next play most of the time) per game often this year? Worthy confirmed they were mostly to slow down the offense.

[NewUserName]

So has MSU been having like 12 defensive injuries (only to return the next play most of the time) per game often this year? Worthy confirmed they were mostly to slow down the offense.

 

yeap and they also got several defensive players released from prison just to beat Iowa

[hawkeyecub]

So has MSU been having like 12 defensive injuries (only to return the next play most of the time) per game often this year? Worthy confirmed they were mostly to slow down the offense.

 

yeap and they also got several defensive players released from prison just to beat Iowa

 

Serious question. Iowa is not good and the defense completely sucks. The injury thing had nothing to do with MSU winning.

Edited November 13, 2011 by hawkeyecub

[Tracer Bullet]

So has MSU been having like 12 defensive injuries (only to return the next play most of the time) per game often this year? Worthy confirmed they were mostly to slow down the offense.

 

I hope you're not suggesting that a Mark Dantonio team is anything but disciplined. ESPN would never allow me to believe such hogwash.

[NewUserName]

So has MSU been having like 12 defensive injuries (only to return the next play most of the time) per game often this year? Worthy confirmed they were mostly to slow down the offense.

 

I hope you're not suggesting that a Mark Dantonio team is anything but disciplined. ESPN would never allow me to believe such hogwash.

 

I think it is relative. Compared to John L Smith teams, Dantonio teams have a lot of discipline. Compared to the actions of ND, Dantonio teams are similar.

[SouthSideRyan]

What does the outcome of the title game have to do with whether Michigan deserved a rematch or not?

I think it pretty decidedly proved that Florida deserved a chance to play for the title.

 

No, it certainly did not.

[E.J.]

Illinois LB Trulon Henry was shot in the hand last night trying to help break up a party. He's done for the season.

 

http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/story/_/id/7229963/illinois-fighting-illini-trulon-henry-shot-hand-done-season

[Andy]

What does the outcome of the title game have to do with whether Michigan deserved a rematch or not?

I think it pretty decidedly proved that Florida deserved a chance to play for the title.

 

No, it certainly did not.

I think it says a lot that only B1G fans are still beating or would ever beat the 'rematch' drum for that game. OSU controlled that game and Michigan came back and made it look closer than it was at the end. They both then got absolutely destroyed in bowl games. Troy Smith was embarrassingly bad against the first consistent pass rush he faced all year long. The B1G was weak that year outside the top 2. I don't understand why this is even an argument.

[NewUserName]

What does the outcome of the title game have to do with whether Michigan deserved a rematch or not?

I think it pretty decidedly proved that Florida deserved a chance to play for the title.

 

No, it certainly did not.

I think it says a lot that only B1G fans are still beating or would ever beat the 'rematch' drum for that game. OSU controlled that game and Michigan came back and made it look closer than it was at the end. They both then got absolutely destroyed in bowl games. Troy Smith was embarrassingly bad against the first consistent pass rush he faced all year long. The B1G was weak that year outside the top 2. I don't understand why this is even an argument.

 

Again you are missing the point. The outcome of the games were not known when it was decided who should be in. Michigan was ranked ahead of Florida going into championship game weekend. There was a campaign to push Florida past Michigan based mainly on "there shouldn't be a rematch, Michigan had their chance". Florida then passed Michigan in the polls not because the pollsters thought they were a better team, but because the sentiment that there shouldn't be a rematch. That is why that standard should apply to Alabama and is relevant today. It has nothing to do with who actually won the bowl games. Like I said earlier, Florida should have been ranked ahead of Michigan because they were better, but that is not what most pollsters were voting on. The BCS probably got it right, but I don't think they thought they had the 2 best teams.

[Andy]

I understand that, but when 1 team beats another in the final regular-season game of the year, they should not then play again in the title game. As long as this is going to be the system in college football, then the title game shouldn't be a rematch if there's any reasonable other candidate available, because like that year and many other years have shown, we don't know for sure who the best 2 teams are after the regular season.

[CubColtPacer]

What does the outcome of the title game have to do with whether Michigan deserved a rematch or not?

I think it pretty decidedly proved that Florida deserved a chance to play for the title.

 

No, it certainly did not.

I think it says a lot that only B1G fans are still beating or would ever beat the 'rematch' drum for that game. OSU controlled that game and Michigan came back and made it look closer than it was at the end. They both then got absolutely destroyed in bowl games. Troy Smith was embarrassingly bad against the first consistent pass rush he faced all year long. The B1G was weak that year outside the top 2. I don't understand why this is even an argument.

 

Michigan and Florida tied in the computer rankings (which suggested that their schedules were similar in strength) and Michigan only had 2 wins by 7 points or less. Florida had 5. Florida especially struggled in the second half of the season. Maybe the eye test favored Florida, but the numbers didn't.

[Tracer Bullet]

So has MSU been having like 12 defensive injuries (only to return the next play most of the time) per game often this year? Worthy confirmed they were mostly to slow down the offense.

 

I hope you're not suggesting that a Mark Dantonio team is anything but disciplined. ESPN would never allow me to believe such hogwash.

 

I think it is relative. Compared to John L Smith teams, Dantonio teams have a lot of discipline. Compared to the actions of ND, Dantonio teams are similar.

 

hahaha, what? you must be kidding.

[E.J.]

So has MSU been having like 12 defensive injuries (only to return the next play most of the time) per game often this year? Worthy confirmed they were mostly to slow down the offense.

 

I hope you're not suggesting that a Mark Dantonio team is anything but disciplined. ESPN would never allow me to believe such hogwash.

 

I think it is relative. Compared to John L Smith teams, Dantonio teams have a lot of discipline. Compared to the actions of ND, Dantonio teams are similar.

 

hahaha, what? you must be kidding.

 

Yeah, there was tons of discipline in that Michigan game a few weeks ago. How many personal fouls calls in that game again? That's not even getting into the ridiculous fights that put people in the hospital or players being allowed back on the team the day they're let out of PRISON.

 

Yes, lots of discipline.

[illiniguy]

I understand that, but when 1 team beats another in the final regular-season game of the year, they should not then play again in the title game. As long as this is going to be the system in college football, then the title game shouldn't be a rematch if there's any reasonable other candidate available, because like that year and many other years have shown, we don't know for sure who the best 2 teams are after the regular season.

Alabama lost at home to LSU, they don't deserve a rematch. I don't care when the game happened. But since it's the SEC I'm sure the media will trumpet it until it happens. Thus I'm pulling for OSU to run their schedule.

[Andy]

I understand that, but when 1 team beats another in the final regular-season game of the year, they should not then play again in the title game. As long as this is going to be the system in college football, then the title game shouldn't be a rematch if there's any reasonable other candidate available, because like that year and many other years have shown, we don't know for sure who the best 2 teams are after the regular season.

Alabama lost at home to LSU, they don't deserve a rematch. I don't care when the game happened. But since it's the SEC I'm sure the media will trumpet it until it happens. Thus I'm pulling for OSU to run their schedule.

No one in the media is trumpeting for a rematch at the moment. You are inventing slights that haven't happened.

[bcl412]

I understand that, but when 1 team beats another in the final regular-season game of the year, they should not then play again in the title game. As long as this is going to be the system in college football, then the title game shouldn't be a rematch if there's any reasonable other candidate available, because like that year and many other years have shown, we don't know for sure who the best 2 teams are after the regular season.

 

I can't agree with this. I think it should come down to who has the best resume. If Alabama finishes 11-1 they have a lot of good wins and their worst loss is to the number 1 team. Same goes for Oregon (assuming LSU finishes number one.).

 

I could even see Alabama/Oregon having a case over an undefeated team if their SOS is considerably better than theirs.

[Guest]

Here's how all of the possible candidates look with only one loss. It's really difficult to say one resume is any better than the other.

 

http://mit.zenfs.com/214/2011/11/One-Loss-Resum%C3%A9s.jpg

[bcl412]

I think Oklahoma should be out now (unless a bunch of teams finish with 2 losses but that opens a huge can or worms.) and if Oklahoma State loses at all the rest of the year should be eliminated too.

 

It will be a jumbled mess if LSU drops to Arkansas somehow.

 

Based on that chart I'd have a hard time not justifying an all SEC title game

[Andy]

I think Oklahoma should be out now (unless a bunch of teams finish with 2 losses but that opens a huge can or worms.) and if Oklahoma State loses at all the rest of the year should be eliminated too.

 

It will be a jumbled mess if LSU drops to Arkansas somehow.

LSU dropping to Arkansas wouldn't by itself mess anything up. The SEC West 3-way tiebreaker - thanks to Stewart Mandel, I know this - is head to head among the top 2 teams of the 3 in the BCS rankings. In short, since Arkansas and Bama would surely leap past LSU if Arkansas beat the Tigers, Bama would go to the SEC title game based on head to head with Arkansas. If Bama then won the SEC title, and Okla St didn't lose a game, they'd play the Cowboys.

 

If not, Bama/Oregon would be a very interesting title game matchup.

Edited November 14, 2011 by Andy

[SouthSideRyan]

I understand that, but when 1 team beats another in the final regular-season game of the year, they should not then play again in the title game. As long as this is going to be the system in college football, then the title game shouldn't be a rematch if there's any reasonable other candidate available, because like that year and many other years have shown, we don't know for sure who the best 2 teams are after the regular season.

 

It's quite obvious you didn't understand that. Just say you hate the Big Ten Andy. It'll make your next bizarre rant go away a lot quicker.

[Andy]

I understand that, but when 1 team beats another in the final regular-season game of the year, they should not then play again in the title game. As long as this is going to be the system in college football, then the title game shouldn't be a rematch if there's any reasonable other candidate available, because like that year and many other years have shown, we don't know for sure who the best 2 teams are after the regular season.

 

It's quite obvious you didn't understand that. Just say you hate the Big Ten Andy. It'll make your next bizarre rant go away a lot quicker.

Right, I'm the one with the conference bias when I've got Big Ten guys arguing that Big Ten teams should have played for the title in 06 when they both got annihilated against teams from other conferences after the fact.

[Guest]

I think Oklahoma should be out now (unless a bunch of teams finish with 2 losses but that opens a huge can or worms.) and if Oklahoma State loses at all the rest of the year should be eliminated too.

 

OU and OSU would have the best SOS of any of the competitors, as the Big 12 is pretty far and away the best conference this year.

[TruffleShuffle]

I think Oklahoma should be out now (unless a bunch of teams finish with 2 losses but that opens a huge can or worms.) and if Oklahoma State loses at all the rest of the year should be eliminated too.

 

OU and OSU would have the best SOS of any of the competitors, as the Big 12 is pretty far and away the best conference this year.

 

i'd just have a hard time putting OU in when the team they lost to (at home!) has spent the last three weeks getting thoroughly embarrassed.